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Gun, ammo bills go to Senate
Assembly passes measures to put new restrictions on firearms
By Ryan Sabalow (Contact)
Friday, June 6, 2008

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In the future, you may have to leave a copy of your driver's license if you want to buy .22-caliber rounds from your local big-box store.

The California Assembly further reinforced the state's reputation as having the most stringent gun laws in the nation by passing two bills late last month that would put more restrictions on buying and selling handguns and handgun ammunition. Both bills must now win state Senate approval.

One bill, AB 2235, would require any new handgun sold in the state to have a device installed that prohibits anyone other than the owner from pulling the trigger.

The caveat is that the technology for such devices isn't yet available for sale and the bill wouldn't take effect until after it is, according to the legislation.

The other bill, AB 2206, would require that ammunition sellers copy an ammo-buyer's photo ID before selling them handgun rounds.

The bill also would require that handgun ammunition be stored behind the counter and that retailers have special licenses to sell more than 50 rounds.

Rifle and shotgun rounds are exempt.

However, bullets that work in both rifles and pistols, like the popular .22-caliber round -- small, cheap bullets popular with varmint shooters and target marksmen -- would fall under the regulation, said Dan Reeves, a spokesman for Assemblyman Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, who wrote the bullet bill.

Reeves acknowledged that such provisions won't be popular in rural Shasta County, which has among the highest gun ownership rates in the state.

"It's a major burden to the people of Redding, but if you have hundreds of people being murdered (by handgun ammunition) every year, it seems like a small sacrifice," Reeves said.

Redding City Councilman Patrick Henry Jones, owner of Jones' Fort gun store in Redding, said the legislation wouldn't do anything to stop gun crimes.

Rather, it merely makes it more difficult to buy and sell firearms and ammunition, he said.

"Through incrementalism, they're taking (gun rights) away a little slice at a time and making it harder for dealers to survive," Jones said.

National anti-gun advocates like Brady Campaign President Paul Hemke say the user-identification systems on pistols in AB 2235 will prevent gun crimes if the technology becomes available.

“‘Owner-authorized’ handguns will help reduce injuries, homicides, suicides, school shootings and accidental shootings in California,” he said in a statement.

That bill would take effect 18 months after California’s attorney general releases a report saying the devices are available for sale, according to the legislation.

Assemblyman Doug LaMalfa, R-Richvale, who voted against both bills, said AB 2235 is particularly offensive because the technology isn’t even available on the market.

He called it “Jetsons” legislation, referring to the futuristic cartoon of the 1960s.

“It’s like trying to pass a law for tailpipe emissions for something, a technology which we don’t even have yet,” he said.

He said he opposed the bullet restrictions because criminals will be able to get bullets regardless of ineffective bureaucratic requirements.

Reeves disagreed, saying the bill also includes provisions that forbid documented gang members from possessing ammo and makes it illegal for someone to buy ammunition and give it to a felon.

He said the proposed ammunition requirements would price criminals and shady gun dealers “out of the market.”

“Right now, criminals, children and gang members are going to Big 5s, Kmarts and gun stores to get ammunition,” Reeves said.

State Sen. Sam Aanestad, R-Grass Valley, will vote against the bills in their current form, his spokesman, Bill Bird, said.

They forgot the airsoft ammo, BBs and pellets, and don't forget the CO2 powerlets.

Wow. How stupid is this.

A bill to require something that does not even exist yet.

isn't it already illegal (and common sense) for "children" to not be able to buy handgun ammunition on their own?

But I also question how these dipshits think that passing yet another law will have any effect on what felons will or won't do in their free time.

"It's a major burden to the people of Redding, but if you have hundreds of people being murdered (by handgun ammunition) every year, it seems like a small sacrifice," Reeves said.

now handgun ammunition is a murderer.....

Wont take long before someone is killed by a home intruder because they couldn't use their husbands pistol.

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jew: He said he opposed the bullet restrictions because criminals will be able to get bullets regardless of ineffective bureaucratic requirements. Reeves disagreed, saying the bill also includes provisions that forbid documented gang members from possessing ammo and makes it illegal for someone to buy ammunition and give it to a felon. He said the proposed ammunition requirements would price criminals and shady gun dealers “out of the market.”

Well thankfully criminals try not to break any new laws. The police stations better have extra staff for the sure rush of gang members turning in their ammunition because it is now illegal.

That one statement was almost as stupid as passing a law to implement something that doesn't even exist yet.

Originally Posted By skygod: Wow. How stupid is this. A bill to require something that does not even exist yet.

Something that will most definitely be defeatable, at that.
There are no electronic devices you can't reverse engineer and tamper with...
and firearms are still mechanical devices, they don't rely on a chip to fire.

Hell if you can tamper with voting machines,
and hack into government computer systems,
how could anyone take this concept seriously at all?

“‘Owner-authorized’ handguns will help reduce injuries, homicides, suicides, school shootings and accidental shootings in California,”

When they use the term "Owner-Authorized" all I can think of is Stallone in "Judge Dredd" with the DNA actuated guns...Peacemakers I think they were called. Lawgivers - thanks CasualObserver

Originally Posted By estoves: Wont take long before someone is killed by a home intruder because they couldn't use their husbands pistol.

"Smart" guns is a non-starting technology. Like bullet stamping, it's a move by the gun grabbers to make guns technically legal but practically impossible to own.

Originally Posted By MightySwede: “‘Owner-authorized’ handguns will help reduce injuries, homicides, suicides, school shootings and accidental shootings in California,” When they use the term "Owner-Authorized" all I can think of is Stallone in "Judge Dredd" with the DNA actuated guns...Peacemakers I think they were called.

Lawgivers

California once again confirms its well-deserved reputation as the land of Fruits and Nuts.

Too many people out there reading Marx and thinking they're going to "save the world", one stupid-assed law at a time.

Kentucky threw out its ammunition log book requirements many years ago because it did not prove useful in crime reduction and was wasteful with tax dollars.

Reeves disagreed, saying the bill also includes provisions that forbid documented gang members from possessing ammo and makes it illegal for someone to buy ammunition and give it to a felon.


This person obviously needs to be committed to a mental hospital. he is clearly a danger to himself and others.


Just another piece of evidence that liberalism as it is in this country is just a form of mental illness.

Originally Posted By thedave1164: "It's a major burden to the people of Redding, but if you have hundreds of people being murdered (by handgun ammunition) every year, it seems like a small sacrifice," Reeves said. now handgun ammunition is a murderer.....

This is exactly the problem with gun laws these idiots don’t know what murder is! Murder is one human killing another. Humans murder by using weapons not weapons murder by using humans. You can’t argue with a moron who can don’t grasp this simple concept.

Pre crime??

National anti-gun advocates like Brady Campaign President Paul Hemke say the user-identification systems on pistols in AB 2235 will prevent gun crimes if the technology becomes available. “‘Owner-authorized’ handguns will help reduce injuries, homicides, suicides, school shootings and accidental shootings in California,” he said in a statement.

Originally Posted By estoves: Wont take long before someone is killed by a home intruder because they couldn't use their husbands pistol.

Well, it'll at least take until the technology is invented...

These idiots will NEVER get it, will they?

The only thing that can prevent crime is to remove criminals from the general population, and to help provide an environment for young people that encourages legal behavior
and severely discourages bad behavior, BEFORE they become criminals.


But it's all bullshit anyway. They're trying to exploit the "war on crime" to further their own
goals of just getting rid of all the guns, for reasons that remain unclear. You see, those
who would be in favor of getting rid of all the guns would of course make an exception
for themselves.


You hve to ask yourself why they want to do that.


The answer isn't a good one.


CJ

Oh, gee, didn't know the constitution didn't matter anymore

Fucking tards.

Originally Posted By Rocksarge: Oh, gee, didn't know the constitution didn't matter anymore

It doesn't

Not since the United States became a Corporation

Everything falls under UCC-Uniform Commercial Code

Plenty of info on this Everybody needs to wake up

They HAD the ammo portion from 1968-1986.

Didn't stop a single crime.

Originally Posted By skygod: Wow. How stupid is this. A bill to require something that does not even exist yet.

They are so eager to infringe on gun rights, that technology cannot keep up. I wonder if they will go ahead an ban plasma rifles in the 40w range soon?