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Posted: 8/1/2005 3:45:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2005 6:55:25 PM EDT by Rodent]
Several people have told me lately that there's a strong family resemblance...

Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:46:25 PM EDT
WTF?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:48:12 PM EDT
Well I hope its in facial features and not in wardrobe.......
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:48:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:48:52 PM EDT
What year was this taken?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:49:21 PM EDT


That's weird. My great uncle is the one on the left, maybe they knew eachother?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:49:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rodent:
Several people have told me lately that there's a strong family resemblance...

tinypic.com/9sgwlw.jpg




Looks like a good German Soldat. I am of German decent too. That is cool to have family stuff like that. Is there any other neat or interesting stuff or information? What did he do?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:50:57 PM EDT
Achtung, Mein Feld Marchal!

Wie geits?

Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:52:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2005 7:35:48 AM EDT by Rodent]

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
What year was this taken?



I think just before the Sixth Army surrendered outside Stalingrad.

I never met him. In fact, my grandfather never told me he had a brother. But my dad is named after him.

He commanded an infantry division on the Russian front, and ended up spending 12 years in Siberia. He was repatriated to West Germany and lived to be quite old (I bet he had a low cholestoral level). But I didn't know about him until too late to meet him.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:52:57 PM EDT
Thats cool to have any relatives in armed forces.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:55:29 PM EDT
Whatever you do, don't start poking around for faimly heirloom cuckoo clocks.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:56:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

as long as there is no political resemblence you should be ok.



I don't know much about him personally, but contrary to popular belief Wehrmacht officers were traditionally apolitical - they didn't even vote. The Nazi's were a political party that in general was not held in high esteem by the old regulars.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:56:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
What year was this taken?



I think just before the Sixth Army surrendered outside Stalingrad.

I never met him. In fact, my grandfather never told me he had a brother. But my dad is named after him.

He commanded an infantry division on the Russian front, and ended up spending 14 years in Siberia. He was repatriated to West Germany and lived to be quite old (I bet he had a low cholestoral level). But I didn't know about him until too late to meet him.



He was one of the lucky ones to get back from Russia alive.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:57:44 PM EDT
Don't be so harsh guys. I hate the Nazis too, but that said...

Many German soldiers were just fighting for their country. They were not neccisarily brutes, jew killers, or facists. They were people, men, many honorable and good men. There were some that were bad, but there were many WW2 German military vets that immigrated to the USA after the war and were good upstanding citizens.

And Judging by his iron cross, he probably had some courage and brains.

Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:59:09 PM EDT
For the record, I fucking HATE the Nazis, especially the SS.

That said, your great uncle, and I note he is Heer and not SS, is to be admired, simply because he SURVIVED! He was there...did that in what was one of the worst battle locations of WW II.

I'll just bet HE had some stories!
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 3:59:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M4:
www.shop4photos.net/graphics/249/249810.jpg

That's weird. My great uncle is the one on the left, maybe they knew eachother?



Nussing!! I know Nussing!!!!
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:01:01 PM EDT
It's good to know where one comes from.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:03:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2005 4:05:14 PM EDT by dugedug]
What do you think of mine(great great uncle)?
www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/rolfes.html


Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:04:09 PM EDT
Yea what he said!
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:04:48 PM EDT
looks like mister rogers served for germany not the marines.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:05:51 PM EDT
Good looks like you.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:06:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LWilde:
For the record, I fucking HATE the Nazis, especially the SS.

That said, your great uncle, and I note he is Heer and not SS, is to be admired, simply because he SURVIVED! He was there...did that in what was one of the worst battle locations of WW II.

I'll just bet HE had some stories!



The several branches of the SS tend to be tarred with the same brush. The Waffen SS was comparable to our Marine Corps in size and mission, as well as esprit and combat record.

I do regret never having had a chance to get to know him. My grandparents and other relatives never spoke about the war at all, even when I tried to interview them for a college seminar project. One of my great aunts lost two husbands on the Eastern Front, and then was in Berlin when the Russians arrived. I can understand why she wouldn't talk about anything.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:06:53 PM EDT
I had distant uncles that were german army durring WWII, friend of mine his grandfather was Luftwaffa(sp?)
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:07:08 PM EDT
Hmmm--probably got the Knight's Cross in WWI as a junior officer?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:07:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
What year was this taken?



I think just before the Sixth Army surrendered outside Stalingrad.

I never met him. In fact, my grandfather never told me he had a brother. But my dad is named after him.

He commanded an infantry division on the Russian front, and ended up spending 14 years in Siberia. He was repatriated to West Germany and lived to be quite old (I bet he had a low cholestoral level). But I didn't know about him until too late to meet him.



He was with Paulus at Stalingrad? He was pretty damn lucky to have survived. I've seen the stats for the survival rates of POWs taken from the Sixth Army-not good odds.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:11:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mcgredo:
Hmmm--probably got the Knight's Cross in WWI as a junior officer?



I don't know. But Hitler handed them out to most of the division commanders as the Eastern Front collapsed, and odds are good that he got it then. I think that photo may even have been the "official press release" for it.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:14:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By LWilde:
For the record, I fucking HATE the Nazis, especially the SS.

That said, your great uncle, and I note he is Heer and not SS, is to be admired, simply because he SURVIVED! He was there...did that in what was one of the worst battle locations of WW II.

I'll just bet HE had some stories!



The several branches of the SS tend to be tarred with the same brush. The Waffen SS was comparable to our Marine Corps in size and mission, as well as esprit and combat record.

I do regret never having had a chance to get to know him. My grandparents and other relatives never spoke about the war at all, even when I tried to interview them for a college seminar project. One of my great aunts lost two husbands on the Eastern Front, and then was in Berlin when the Russians arrived. I can understand why she wouldn't talk about anything.



I think it would be best if you never compare the USMC to that group you listed again. I don't even want their names in the same sentence. There's a reason for that.

Study history.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:15:57 PM EDT
Do you know which division he commanded?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:17:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

I think it would be best if you never compare the USMC to that group you listed again. I don't even want their names in the same sentence. There's a reason for that.

Study history.



Uh, I was a military history major. Oh, and a twenty-year Marine infantry officer and fighter pilot.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:17:31 PM EDT
Well, looks like we have something in common. My great uncle (my father's mother's brother) was an officer in the Luftwaffe. He flew some Junkers or other. I don't know much about him, but I think he died in combat.

Also, my family is not-so-distantly related to General Emory Upton, the Union tactician. There's a building named after him at the US Army War College.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:18:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By LWilde:
For the record, I fucking HATE the Nazis, especially the SS.

That said, your great uncle, and I note he is Heer and not SS, is to be admired, simply because he SURVIVED! He was there...did that in what was one of the worst battle locations of WW II.

I'll just bet HE had some stories!



The several branches of the SS tend to be tarred with the same brush. The Waffen SS was comparable to our Marine Corps in size and mission, as well as esprit and combat record.

I do regret never having had a chance to get to know him. My grandparents and other relatives never spoke about the war at all, even when I tried to interview them for a college seminar project. One of my great aunts lost two husbands on the Eastern Front, and then was in Berlin when the Russians arrived. I can understand why she wouldn't talk about anything.



I think it would be best if you never compare the USMC to that group you listed again. I don't even want their names in the same sentence. There's a reason for that.

Study history.



Well said Oly. Besides, the Waffen SS got their asses handed to them by the US Army. That would never happen to the Marine Corps.

Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:18:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mcgredo:
Do you know which division he commanded?



76th.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:23:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

I think it would be best if you never compare the USMC to that group you listed again. I don't even want their names in the same sentence. There's a reason for that.

Study history.



Uh, I was a military history major. Oh, and a twenty-year Marine infantry officer and fighter pilot.



Then you can kick your own ass.

The Waffen SS was the combat arm of the SS.

They did things in combat areas no self respecting Marine would do, or allow.

Killing of prisoners, non-combatants, etc. etc. They are the guys that brought the Malmedy massacre. When have the USMC ever killed prisoners? They did that, because they were used to doing similar acts on the Russian Front, and getting away with it.

If you want to compare the USMC to a Nazi military branch, try the German Paratroopers.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:24:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mmx1:
Whatever you do, don't start poking around for faimly heirloom cuckoo clocks.



Or lampshades.


Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:26:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

I think it would be best if you never compare the USMC to that group you listed again. I don't even want their names in the same sentence. There's a reason for that.

Study history.



Uh, I was a military history major. Oh, and a twenty-year Marine infantry officer and fighter pilot.



Budabing!
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:29:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

I think it would be best if you never compare the USMC to that group you listed again. I don't even want their names in the same sentence. There's a reason for that.

Study history.



Uh, I was a military history major. Oh, and a twenty-year Marine infantry officer and fighter pilot.



Then you can kick your own ass.

The Waffen SS was the combat arm of the SS.

They did things in combat areas no self respecting Marine would do, or allow.

Killing of prisoners, non-combatants, etc. etc. They are the guys that brought the Malmedy massacre. When have the USMC ever killed prisoners? They did that, because they were used to doing similar acts on the Russian Front, and getting away with it.

If you want to compare the USMC to a Nazi military branch, try the German Paratroopers.



The Marines killed plenty of Japs trying to surrender and killed many that were already prisoners. Many units had a No-Prisoner policy. The Pacific theater wasn't PC.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:33:19 PM EDT
I wish I could find out more information about mine.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:36:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

I think it would be best if you never compare the USMC to that group you listed again. I don't even want their names in the same sentence. There's a reason for that.

Study history.



Uh, I was a military history major. Oh, and a twenty-year Marine infantry officer and fighter pilot.



Then you can kick your own ass.

The Waffen SS was the combat arm of the SS.

They did things in combat areas no self respecting Marine would do, or allow.

Killing of prisoners, non-combatants, etc. etc. They are the guys that brought the Malmedy massacre. When have the USMC ever killed prisoners? They did that, because they were used to doing similar acts on the Russian Front, and getting away with it.

If you want to compare the USMC to a Nazi military branch, try the German Paratroopers.



The Marines killed plenty of Japs trying to surrender and killed many that were already prisoners. Many units had a No-Prisoner policy. The Pacific theater wasn't PC.



Yes, the Pacific war was a very dirty war. Marines did bad things. But it wasn't institutionalized like it was with the SS. Moral relativism is for cunts. I'll take our atrocities over those of our enemies or even the Russians for that matter any day.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:37:54 PM EDT
He looks like Gregory Peck. In a national socialist kind of way.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:44:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2005 4:46:31 PM EDT by Rodent]

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

I think it would be best if you never compare the USMC to that group you listed again. I don't even want their names in the same sentence. There's a reason for that.

Study history.



Uh, I was a military history major. Oh, and a twenty-year Marine infantry officer and fighter pilot.



Then you can kick your own ass.

The Waffen SS was the combat arm of the SS.

They did things in combat areas no self respecting Marine would do, or allow.

Killing of prisoners, non-combatants, etc. etc. They are the guys that brought the Malmedy massacre. When have the USMC ever killed prisoners? They did that, because they were used to doing similar acts on the Russian Front, and getting away with it.

If you want to compare the USMC to a Nazi military branch, try the German Paratroopers.



Brutal wars tend to desensitize men of all nations. America hasn't cornered the market on morality. Ever wonder why the Marines took so few Japanese prisoners in the Pacific? I'm reading a book right now by a WWII Marine who describes comrades pulling the gold teeth out of Japanese.

ETA the Nazi's were a political party, and I think you're associating them with the German military in an inappropriate way, as is commonly done.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:46:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

I think it would be best if you never compare the USMC to that group you listed again. I don't even want their names in the same sentence. There's a reason for that.

Study history.



Uh, I was a military history major. Oh, and a twenty-year Marine infantry officer and fighter pilot.



Then you can kick your own ass.

The Waffen SS was the combat arm of the SS.

They did things in combat areas no self respecting Marine would do, or allow.

Killing of prisoners, non-combatants, etc. etc. They are the guys that brought the Malmedy massacre. When have the USMC ever killed prisoners? They did that, because they were used to doing similar acts on the Russian Front, and getting away with it.

If you want to compare the USMC to a Nazi military branch, try the German Paratroopers.



The Marines killed plenty of Japs trying to surrender and killed many that were already prisoners. Many units had a No-Prisoner policy. The Pacific theater wasn't PC.




www.answers.com/topic/waffen-ss

Even if I believe your assertions, no USMC unit ever conducted a mass killing of prisoners.

I would also like to see numbers of Japanese soldiers/sailors/marines that surrendered to US Army units, or US Navy units. And compare those numbers to the number of USMC captures.

The Japanese didn't surrender with an frequency, at ANY time during WW-II. When US forces hit Saipan 1/3 of the civilian population committed suiced rather than surrender.

German POW camps were all over the US during WW-II................... Where were POW camps held Japanese soldiers/sailors/marines?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:46:26 PM EDT
Guys everybody did things on both sides.
Don't need to drag eveybody through the mud.

Move it along. Geez.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:49:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2005 4:52:20 PM EDT by BeckettOfNevada]
How many concentration camps did the Marines run....ooo thats right none.
Who cares if they were card carying members of the nazi party, they fought for them. If they hated it so mutch perhaps they shouldnt have made him ruler. Standing by idle while someone does something evil is almost as bad as doing it yourself.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:55:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BeckettOfNevada:
How many concentration camps did the Marines run....ooo thats right none.



Same number as the Waffen SS (Really, don't confuse them with the stereotypical prison camp guards, they were a different organization.)

At any rate, he was my great uncle. I never even met him. I certainly didn't choose him. And he wasn't SS, Waffen or otherwise.

And, just guessing because of the rank, command, and Knight's Cross, I'm going to go out on a limb and say not many of us have combat records as impressive.

Commence critisizing again, brave and wise warriors -
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:06:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BeckettOfNevada:
How many concentration camps did the Marines run....ooo thats right none.
Who cares if they were card carying members of the nazi party, they fought for them. If they hated it so mutch perhaps they shouldnt have made him ruler. Standing by idle while someone does something evil is almost as bad as doing it yourself.



Please list (by event and date) all the "evil something's" that were commited before the start of the war (including up to the day of invation), and also before the conception of the SS(up to the day the first troop put on his uniform). You should know better, what a polititian promises and what he delivers are usually not the same.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:06:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By BeckettOfNevada:
How many concentration camps did the Marines run....ooo thats right none.



Same number as the Waffen SS (Really, don't confuse them with the stereotypical prison camp guards, they were a different organization.)

At any rate, he was my great uncle. I never even met him. I certainly didn't choose him. And he wasn't SS, Waffen or otherwise.

And, just guessing because of the rank, command, and Knight's Cross, I'm going to go out on a limb and say not many of us have combat records as impressive.

Commence critisizing again, brave and wise warriors -



Nice attempt at changing the subject.

No one spoke ill of your uncle.

Several spoke out about YOUR comments comparing the Waffen SS and the USMC.

Whether or not there were seperate divisions of the SS................... they were all SS.

Your assertion that the were similar to the USMC in WW-II is, well first silly. How many amphib landings did the SS do? How many tank battles did the USMC fight in? Secondly it's insulting to anyone who has spent 2 minutes looking in the kind of organization the SS was.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:10:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dugedug:

Originally Posted By BeckettOfNevada:
How many concentration camps did the Marines run....ooo thats right none.
Who cares if they were card carying members of the nazi party, they fought for them. If they hated it so mutch perhaps they shouldnt have made him ruler. Standing by idle while someone does something evil is almost as bad as doing it yourself.



Please list (by event and date) all the "evil something's" that were commited before the start of the war (including up to the day of invation), and also before the conception of the SS(up to the day the first troop put on his uniform). You should know better, what a polititian promises and what he delivers are usually not the same.



SA and SS were insturmental in Hitler's rise to power, that led to WW-II................... what 100 million dead?

I once had a Marine look at my with a dissmissive glance.........................

Yeah practically the same.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:10:09 PM EDT
[in a John Wayne voice]The only good nazi is a DEAD nazi.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:11:57 PM EDT
It looks like they put up quite a fight at Stalingrad before they got rolled over by Soviet tanks when the ground was too frozen to dig fighting holes.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:13:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jp_72:
Achtung, Mein Feld Marchal!

Wie geits?




Gut!!! Und du?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:13:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By Rodent:

Originally Posted By LWilde:
For the record, I fucking HATE the Nazis, especially the SS.

That said, your great uncle, and I note he is Heer and not SS, is to be admired, simply because he SURVIVED! He was there...did that in what was one of the worst battle locations of WW II.

I'll just bet HE had some stories!



The several branches of the SS tend to be tarred with the same brush. The Waffen SS was comparable to our Marine Corps in size and mission, as well as esprit and combat record.

I do regret never having had a chance to get to know him. My grandparents and other relatives never spoke about the war at all, even when I tried to interview them for a college seminar project. One of my great aunts lost two husbands on the Eastern Front, and then was in Berlin when the Russians arrived. I can understand why she wouldn't talk about anything.



I think it would be best if you never compare the USMC to that group you listed again. I don't even want their names in the same sentence. There's a reason for that.

Study history.



+1

The Waffen SS were as brutally sadistic as any other part of the SS. May every songle one of them rot in hell for eternity.
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