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Posted: 9/3/2005 3:02:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2005 3:02:37 PM EDT by new-arguy]
So, about 5 years ago, some dirtbag stole my mail. With the information they gathered, they opened up 2 cell phone accounts (I live in the dark ages with no use or desire for a cell phone, LOL) and also stole some "convenience" checks from my credit card company totaling about $10K on those checks(even after I told the CC company to stop sending that crap to my home.....they claimed it woud take 90 days to stop it).

So, I filed a police report and they deemed this "identity theft/fraud". I also filed a report with FTC about the identity theft. Long story short, all parties involved agreed I had nothing to do with the fraudulent charges. I got all 3 of the credit reporting agencies to send me a copy of my credit and they placed (I believe) a 6 month hold on issuing any new credit under my name. My credit is VERY good now (as it was before this incident).

I have never bought a rifle or pistol. This was to be my first.....all of my other rifles and pistols have been given to me by my father. So I go down to pick it up, fill out the paperwork and when they call to verify.....I get denied b/c there is a "question of identity" on file with them.

So, I now have to send them a copy of my driver's license, my Social Security Card, the Police report, the letters from the cell phone company/ credit card company showing I'm not responsible and probably a semen sample.

Has anyone else had to deal with this type of situation? What's the fastest way to resolve this? Is faxing the information better than emailing and is emailing or fax better than snail mailing? Any ideas on how long it will take to clear this complete non-sense up? I'm thinking fax will be best/quickest, but should I wait until Tuesday morning (to get past the holiday weekend)?

The gun dealer told me (contrary to the pamphlet with all the information on how to dispute a denial) that I didn't really HAVE to get a fingerprint stamp done by local LE agency.....Is this true? I just want this cleared up ASAP and don't know how to go about it.

Any help is GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Sean
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 4:06:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2005 4:09:15 PM EDT by rtech]
This may be the case.

When I was working at the gun shop, I never got information on why someone was denied or delayed - that is between you and the FBI. Send in the paperwork according to the instructions.

I have had a few people who have been denied every time, wait 3 days or they send in something, come back and get a call from NICS to proceed. It's normal for them and they go through it every time.

Get a CCW and you'll bypass the NICS call in requirement.

Good luck.

ETA: I worked in AZ at the time, last year. Where is the shop you went to?
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 4:27:58 PM EDT
The first year NICS began , a LOT of "Infrequent" gun buyers got delayed or denied .
The people doing the checking made mistakes or were over diligent

Nowadays , the System is about as efficient as govt. employees can make it

Once you provide full ID proof you will probably NEVER have a problem again.

Funny story - I have bought MANY firearms in the last year or so , and EVERY time they ran the check , the dealer read off my 1st , middle , and last name.

EXCEPT two weeks ago (dealer forgot to read MIDDLE NAME )

When the checker came back on the phone and ASKED for my middle name , the Dealer
looked at me like I had TWO HEADS
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 4:56:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2005 5:01:08 PM EDT by SeanK1ng]
It was at Bear Mountain Sports in Mesa. Glad to hear this isn't that uncommon. I was really ticked....one, it's embarrassing b/c the gun store owner might think I'm some sort of criminal and 2, it's as if I'm guilty until I prove I'm innocent.....which isn't the way my vision of America is supposed to work (IMO, of course).

So, can I expect that once I provide copies of my DL, SSN, etc. that it'll only be a few days before I'm allowed to purchase?

What's even stupider is that I have a DoD security level clearance at work.

Thanks for the help.

Sean
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 6:49:21 PM EDT
I get a delay every time and I'm LE. Really pisses me off.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 7:04:02 PM EDT
Dude, you have a warrant! The BATF&E, FBI, CIA, U.S. Marshalls, DEA, Department Of Homeland security, INS, Border Patrol and some others I can't think of will be at you're house in five, four, three, two.........................................................................
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 7:12:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Real_estate_salesman:
Dude, you have a warrant! The BATF&E, FBI, CIA, U.S. Marshalls, DEA, Department Of Homeland security, INS, Border Patrol and some others I can't think of will be at you're house in five, four, three, two.........................................................................




Nah, I im'd him a tin foil hat. Shame on him for not having his own.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 10:48:09 PM EDT
I had a Chandler PD cop get denied one time. He was pissed. I told him to go turn in his gun - he wasn't supposed to have one according to the FBI. He laughed about it after that. Came back the next day and all was okay.


NICS. Almost a hit or miss thing.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 10:50:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AKsRule:
The first year NICS began , a LOT of "Infrequent" gun buyers got delayed or denied .
The people doing the checking made mistakes or were over diligent

Nowadays , the System is about as efficient as govt. employees can make it

Once you provide full ID proof you will probably NEVER have a problem again.

Funny story - I have bought MANY firearms in the last year or so , and EVERY time they ran the check , the dealer read off my 1st , middle , and last name.

EXCEPT two weeks ago (dealer forgot to read MIDDLE NAME )

When the checker came back on the phone and ASKED for my middle name , the Dealer
looked at me like I had TWO HEADS



Okay whats your point?
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 12:46:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SeanK1ng:

What's even stupider is that I have a DoD security level clearance at work.






DingDingDingDingDing!!­!!!!

If you have a higher level then the guy doing your check you will get a delay until somebody higher up can do your check.


Or at least that was the reason I was given anyway...
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 4:04:49 AM EDT
I have never been denied (yet), but I get delays more often than not. Having a carry permit seems to make no difference, as I get delays just as frequently after getting it.

Not long after the NICS started, a former coworker was denied. He was pissed, then got really pissed when he found out the reason for the denial - a juvenile arrest that never went to court.
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 5:57:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rtech:


Get a CCW and you'll bypass the NICS call in requirement.




+1

I was never denied but it always took a long time to complete the check process. One time it was 48 hours. I got tired of that and got my ccw and there is no problem now.
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 6:57:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By no_knock556:
In PA, the CCW don't mean shit when it comes to a purchase. Before the "Instant Check", all you needed was a CCW to walk out with gun in hand (no three day waiting). Now, they don't even want to see it.



+1

Here in Indiana, the CCW used to exempt you from the NICS check, but not any longer.
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 6:19:37 AM EDT
In PA, the CCW don't mean shit when it comes to a purchase. Before the "Instant Check", all you needed was a CCW to walk out with gun in hand (no three day waiting). Now, they don't even want to see it.
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 7:33:56 AM EDT
So, has anyone specifically been in my situation where there's a "question of identity"? Did you HAVE to send in your fingerprints to get this resolved?

The more I think about this, the more ticked off I get......I'm not a criminal, but I'm being treated like one. I will likely have to go down and get fingerprinted and have to PAY for it (to add insult to injury).

This is BULLSHIT. It's unfortunate that the ACLU will only take on cases that favor their socialist agenda, b/c my 2nd amendment rights are clearly being violated.

Sean
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 7:37:56 AM EDT
You said all your guns wree given to you by your Father. You have no guns currently on paper??


Who cares if you were denied. They did you a favor. Run Forrest run. Dont paper even one. Then they will never come to your house.



Link Posted: 9/3/2005 8:16:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:
You said all your guns wree given to you by your Father. You have no guns currently on paper??


Who cares if you were denied. They did you a favor. Run Forrest run. Dont paper even one. Then they will never come to your house.






LOL, that's EXACTLY why I never bought one after that. They wouldn't even know I own what I do. Unfortunately I contracted the dreaded BRD (especially after rummaging around this site).

Sean
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 8:23:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SeanK1ng:
LOL, that's EXACTLY why I never bought one after that. They wouldn't even know I own what I do. Unfortunately I contracted the dreaded BRD (especially after rummaging around this site).

Sean



You are in the firerms mecca of the USA. BRD or whatever, you still dont need to 4473 anything.

If I could turn back time.

AZ only EE link


Hell there is all kinds of AR's for sale in AZ. Look what I found.




Link Posted: 9/3/2005 8:26:05 AM EDT





So I go down to pick it up, fill out the paperwork and when they call to verify.....I get denied b/c there is a "question of identity" on file with them.




You're in the whitness protection program aren't you. Don't worry I won't tell.
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 8:27:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2005 8:29:17 AM EDT by Knuckleduster]
I also get delayed %95 of the time! It really miffs me off! I have not so much as a speeding ticket to my name! Longest I had to wait was about 45 mins. at a gunshow. Usally after the primary call they refer me to another check and wait.... my FFL dealer gives them the refering # and told to proceed. Your deal seems much worse.
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 8:40:16 AM EDT
Someone with your name may possibly have some questionable offenses on his record. Thats what a local FFL of mine has told me anyways. Supposedly when you send in your SS card and all that good stuff it will get cleared up.

I have never been delayed. One time it took 5 whole minutes to get approved for a handgun! lol
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 8:48:48 AM EDT
Sean,

In AZ a state CCW exempts the NICS call in requirement. You won't have to have it called in and wait. Thye just put the CCW info on the 4473 and you're off. No muss, no fuss. Bonus: You get to carry your firearm concealed with you. It also means less hassle with cops on a traffic stop - usually, not all the time.

I wouldn't worry about papering a gun so much. Too many guns to track and trace. Not enough manpower to chase it down unless it's a crime gun. Even then, they can't always track them all the way through. It would be like going door to door and collecting pennies from the homes. Insurmountable. Not a job I'd want.

You might get this problem whenever you get a firearm on a 4473 if they call them in. You might be stuck having to send in print cards and verifying your ID every time. A CCW would nullify this requirement. It's up to you, but you might want to consider this option.

Link Posted: 9/3/2005 8:59:47 AM EDT
Lots of AZ ARs in EE all the time. Several ARs in the Arizona Repugnant every week. Lots of gun shows. Just scoot through the "gun show loop hole" and you're golden.

Remember, a loop hole originally was a hole to shoot through.
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 1:15:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2005 7:08:01 PM EDT by SeanK1ng]
My problem is that I wasn't "delayed", I was "denied".....so now I have to appeal to "prove" I am who I say I am. Today I sent in every driver's license I've ever had from two different states, my birth certificate, my SS card, letters from the FTC, Chandler police dept., etc. to prove my identity. I sent it via overnight delievery that they have to sign for.....they won't get it until Tuesday though due to the holiday weekend. The pamphlet given to me by my FFL dealer says that they'll send me a letter approving the purchase (if they are satisfied with the "evidence" I provided to prove my identity).....but I'm concerned that when I purchase the next rifle in a few weeks, that I'll be stuck going through this again.

The CCW is a good idea, but aren't I going to run into the same problem I have currently, i.e., that they can't PROVE I'm who I say I am (short of the fact that I'd be bringing my valid DL, SS Card, and Birth Certificate) so I won't be able to get credit for the class?

No go on the gun show idea: Here's the kicker. I bought this brand new BM to have it converted to the L-W gas piston. Turns out though that L-W doesn't have a full length handguard and I ordered up a BM dissipator. I tried to call and cancell my order the next day after finding this out, but it had already shipped. The gun shop owner didn't take a deposit, but I gave him my word that I wanted it, so I told him when it came in, I'd buy it anyway (you can never have too many AR's, right? ). He offered to let me leave it on his shelf for him to try and sell as long as I paid his cost on it. Long story even longer, he's got several hundred dollars of mine on account to cover his cost. So I decided.....to hell with it, I'll just buy it. When I went to pick it up.....BOOM, problem with my background check. I swear I have the worst luck. So, as you can see I'm kinda stuck at this point and I need to get this resolved before I finally purchase my gas piston rifle and/or the BM currently waiting at the gun shop.....at this point though, I'm so damn discouraged, I feel like getting out of this hobby altogether and getting back into Jeepin'.....it may be alot more expensive, but there's definitely less legal hassle. Besides, I still need to finish my buggy:





Sean
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 1:19:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By SeanK1ng:
LOL, that's EXACTLY why I never bought one after that. They wouldn't even know I own what I do. Unfortunately I contracted the dreaded BRD (especially after rummaging around this site).

Sean



You are in the firerms mecca of the USA. BRD or whatever, you still dont need to 4473 anything.

If I could turn back time.

AZ only EE link


Hell there is all kinds of AR's for sale in AZ. Look what I found.

www.image4u.org/jimtash/2003_0101Image0001.JPG





Yep, that's the pic I stole from someone on this website to advertise the BM dissy that I was trying to sell (that I can't even purchase now, LOL, b/c of this "identity question").

Sean
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 1:50:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2005 4:35:00 AM EDT by drobs]
Computer's acting up...

AZ is gun owner's paradise! We all dream of moving down there some day.
Go get your CCW!
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 2:01:44 PM EDT
SeanK1ng, I've seen your rig on pirate before...haha...small world...Hope all works out well with your new purchase
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 2:06:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bronko:
SeanK1ng, I've seen your rig on pirate before...haha...small world...Hope all works out well with your new purchase



Thanks for the kind words....ya, I hope it gets sorted out quickly too. Pirate, huh? Small world, LOL. If you saw it there, most likely you saw it a LOOONG time ago since that picture is almost a year old now. I really need to take some newer pics.

Sean
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 3:38:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SeanK1ng:
My problem is that I wasn't "delayed", I was "denied".....so now I have to appeal to "prove" I am who I say I am. Today I sent in every driver's license I've ever had from two different states, my birth certificate, my SS card, letters from the FTC, Chandler police dept., etc. to prove my identity. I sent it via overnight delievery that they have to sign for.....they won't get it until Tuesday though due to the holiday weekend. The pamphlet given to me by my FFL dealer says that they'll send me a letter approving the purchase (if they are satisfied with the "evidence" I provided to prove my identity).....but I'm concerned that when I purchase the next rifle in a few weeks, that I'll be stuck going through this again.

The CCW is a good idea, but aren't I going to run into the same problem I have currently, i.e., that they can't PROVE I'm who I say I am (short of the fact that I'd be bringing my valid DL, SS Card, and Birth Certificate) so I won't be able to get credit for the class?

No go on the gun show idea: Here's the kicker. I bought this brand new BM to have it converted to the L-W gas piston. Turns out though that L-W doesn't have a full length handguard and I ordered up a BM dissipator. I tried to call and cancell my order the next day after finding this out, but it had already shipped. The gun shop owner didn't take a deposit, but I gave him my word that I wanted it, so I told him when it came in, I'd buy it anyway (you can never have too many AR's, right? ). He offered to let me leave it on his shelf for him to try and sell as long as I paid his cost on it. Long story even longer, he's got several hundred dollars of mine on account to cover his cost. I decided yesterday.....to hell with it, I'll just buy it. When I went to pick it up.....BOOM, problem with my background check. I swear I have the worst luck. So, as you can see I'm kinda stuck at this point and I need to get this resolved before I finally purchase my gas piston rifle and/or the BM currently waiting at the gun shop.....at this point though, I'm so damn discouraged, I feel like getting out of this hobby altogether and getting back into Jeepin'.....it may be alot more expensive, but there's definitely less legal hassle. Besides, I still need to finish my buggy:

img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/blt4rox/P1010335.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/blt4rox/P1010331.jpg

Sean



I dont want to take this too far off topic but oh well--you guys out there in AZ have some wicked trails. Are you going to compete with that buggy? Out here in PA, I have Neuroc in my back yard, those rigs in the compititions are sick. I stick with the ez'r stuff in my heep (I drive it every day). Now back on topic.
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 6:32:20 PM EDT
Sean,

The difference with CCW is that you only go through it once, and they get your prints as well as an FBI check, include all your evidence in your package and you should never have to go through it again, even with CCW renewal in AZ.

When you buy another firearm on yellow paper, the shop bypasses the NICS, they fill in a part for your CCW permit and you're off to the races.

In your situation, this sounds like the best option or you might be facing this everytime you buy a firearm through a dealer. You might even still find this issue if you go out of state or a dealer does a NICS call in on you.

Good luck.

ETA: Check out the trails at Butcher Jones and if you feel real lucky, Crown King. I played around Butcher for years. I did the Crown King trail a couple of times.

Nice looking rig.
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 9:44:50 PM EDT
Guess we strayed too far off the reservation with the buggy pics since this has been moved.

To answer, no I don't compete....this is just for fun.

Thanks for the info on the CCW.....that's probably my only option now. I really hate that it's come to this over some asshole that wanted a free cell phone. Butcher Jones and Crown King are a little too easy for my type of wheeling.......but those are probably some of the most "well known" trails in the state.

Thanks for the help guys.

Sean
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 4:25:55 AM EDT
You should get your AZ CCW. Your other option is to file a FBI Voluntary Appeal File which should clear up your identity problem for future NICS checks. This is different then the denial appeal you already filed.

www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/vafbrocheng.pdf

You should also make sure that there are no open arrest warrants under your name, DOB and SSN. I would not delay doing this as you may find yourself under arrest if you're ever stopped for a traffic violation.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 6:28:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2005 7:02:24 AM EDT by SeanK1ng]

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
You should get your AZ CCW. Your other option is to file a FBI Voluntary Appeal File which should clear up your identity problem for future NICS checks. This is different then the denial appeal you already filed.

www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/vafbrocheng.pdf

You should also make sure that there are no open arrest warrants under your name, DOB and SSN. I would not delay doing this as you may find yourself under arrest if you're ever stopped for a traffic violation.


rkbar15,
Thanks so much for the link. THIS is exactly the information I'm looking for.

For any of you wondering why you have to continually be denied/delayed.....the above link explains it and I would/will be continually denied unless I submit the above form AND fingerprints. Nothing better than being treated like a damn criminal to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights. :rolleyes:

This is complete and utter horseshit. I don't have any warrants or arrests, not even a traffic violation. This really ticks me off.

Sorry for the rant.

Sean

Edited for typos.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 6:58:04 AM EDT
SeanK1ng, you might not have any open warrants that you know about. The problem is when someone assumes your identity and they commit a crime using your name you may end up with an arrest warrant in your name. Verify that you have no open warrants and keep copies of your identity theft reports/investigation with you.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:01:27 AM EDT
So how do I go about finding out if I have any warrants against my name? Can any PD run that check or will it only turn up things in that municipality?

Thanks,
Sean
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:14:07 AM EDT
If an arrest warrant was issued it will be entered into the FBI NCIC system. Every PD in the U.S. has access to it. Call or go down to you local PD with all your paperwork and ask the desk officer if they can run a wants/warrant check on you. Better to find out that way then to be cuffed/stuffed into a cruiser at the side of the road.

You might want to let a local attorney know what you're doing beforehand in the unlikely event you need one.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:42:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
If an arrest warrant was issued it will be entered into the FBI NCIC system. Every PD in the U.S. has access to it. Call or go down to you local PD with all your paperwork and ask the desk officer if they can run a wants/warrant check on you. Better to find out that way then to be cuffed/stuffed into a cruiser at the side of the road.

You might want to let a local attorney know what you're doing beforehand in the unlikely event you need one.



Thanks for the info.

Sean
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:47:25 PM EDT
BTDT

Did a 4473 for an AR on 6-1 ish - OK on the spot
Did a 4473 for a bolt gun on 6-15 ish - delay < 1 day ... big whoop

Got printed by DHS for some other stuff on 7-12
Got follow up papers from DHS re prints on 7-12 sent on 7-14 stating clear to proceed

Tried a 4473 for an AK on 7-15 - NICS said I was an ILLEGAL ALIEN

Started appeal that day with Email, they sent letter. I sent more Emails, VERY PROMPT AND COURTEOUS replies (ended up sending letter to supervisor to thank and commend).

FAXED copies of other DHS forms. Got an Email that basically said "Oooops. We messed up"

Got my rather corny looking official document that said it was OK to sell me a gun a month later

Here is the kicker. Because more than 30 days had passed since the original NICS check, we had to do a new 4473 and new NICS - and it was DELAYED!

This is whey I came unglued .....

NICS called back in 5 minutes (I was still ranting and raving, abusing office furniture), PROCEED
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 10:41:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SeanK1ng:
My problem is that I wasn't "delayed", I was "denied".....

Sean



I have experienced NICS delays, so I sent all of my info including fingerprints to the FBI asking for a copy of my RAP sheet. Even with all of my info, I experienced a delay on my next gun purchase. If something is on your record, including something that may have never gone to court, then you need to get it removed from your record to prevent delays. If it is a result of mistaken identity, then I don't know how to help you. The only way that you'll know, is to send in the request to the FBI for your record.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 2:15:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 2:16:09 PM EDT by SeanK1ng]
Well, it is indeed a case of mistaken identity. I haven't found out the particulars yet.....was only able to call today. They should be mailing me the specifics this week. Apparently, some asshole (perhaps the guy that stole my mail) got busted and either had my information on his person or actually gave my information as his own, so my real name became this guy's alias. B/c of that, they need my fingerprints to compare to the guy's that they arrested and printed. If they don't match, then I should be approved.

This is still complete and utter horse shit. I don't see how this can possibly be legal. The FBI is stopping me from exercising my Constitutionally protected 2nd Amendment rights, considering me to be guilty as an identity theif until I prove myself to be innocent. Their "policy" of getting fingerprints to prove my identity supercedes my Constitutional right and has ZERO basis in law, so how in the fuck is this legal? Policy cannot dictate law.

I've never been fingerprinted so the best way for them to ensure that I am who I say I am is to ask for additional forms of ID. Afterall, the gun dealer isn't going to have a way to check my fingerprints when I come in to purchase a rifle.......this is just moronic.

Sean
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:43:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SeanK1ng:

.......this is just moronic.

Sean



As is the entire concept of gun control laws.

The government creates laws to prevent criminals (who, by definition, don't obey laws) from legally obtaining guns, and the end result is that non-criminals are the only ones restricted by the law.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 8:22:54 PM EDT
Well you can do what they want and get it cleared up or keep bitching and waste time.

BTW if you have a clearance, other than just a standard Secret on a NAC, it can flag your file, and if they are still doing a background to finish it off, your file may be sitting on somebodies desk. Or it might be waiting in the to be refiled pile.

And if you have an identity theft issue, cry yer eyes out, but learn to live with it. It will haunt you for a while. Now last time I checked the FBI didn't steal; your identity but if it makes you feel better to blame them, go ahead. The fact that you know have a verified theft issue and the various powers that be can back that up, you shouldn't have too many credit issues now AFTER you show that you were a victim.

So bitch about the people that screwed you, not the ones that didn't.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 7:00:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 6:47:26 AM EDT by SeanK1ng]

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
Well you can do what they want and get it cleared up or keep bitching and waste time.

BTW if you have a clearance, other than just a standard Secret on a NAC, it can flag your file, and if they are still doing a background to finish it off, your file may be sitting on somebodies desk. Or it might be waiting in the to be refiled pile.

And if you have an identity theft issue, cry yer eyes out, but learn to live with it. It will haunt you for a while. Now last time I checked the FBI didn't steal; your identity but if it makes you feel better to blame them, go ahead. The fact that you know have a verified theft issue and the various powers that be can back that up, you shouldn't have too many credit issues now AFTER you show that you were a victim.

So bitch about the people that screwed you, not the ones that didn't.



Why don't you go eat a bowl of dicks since you know nothing about the situation? Try reading the thread before talking out of your ass, SFB.

And FYI, I already sent in my fingerprints......I also received my first "letter" about my appeal from the Federal Bureau of Idiots. Guess what? It didn't give me any specifics (as promised in the NICS brochure) about why I've been denied other than someone with my name and their fingerprints apparently either committed some vague felony or possilby a misdemeanor with a sentence of more than 2 years. After over a month without my $900 or the rifle b/c of the Feds' fucked up and completely inefficient system, I guess I'm supposed to be happy and tell them "Thanks" for breaking it off in me and taking my Second Amendment rights?

Fuck off.


Sean

ETA an '
2nd ETA....bold for emphasis.
Link Posted: 9/13/2005 11:48:24 PM EDT
Profanity is the crutch of a mental cripple.

You're a real crybaby aren't you? boohoo.

I did read that's why I said you were bitching. If you have any kind of foul-up due to identity theft or other clearance activities it may take longer than a month. Grow-up sounds like you aren't old enough to be responsible with one anyway.

I'm impressed with your grasp of boot camp language. You sound like most 10th graders.

Anybody that believes a gundealer gets what they deserve.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 6:44:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PaDanby:
Profanity is the crutch of a mental cripple.

You're a real crybaby aren't you? boohoo.

I did read that's why I said you were bitching. If you have any kind of foul-up due to identity theft or other clearance activities it may take longer than a month. Grow-up sounds like you aren't old enough to be responsible with one anyway.

I'm impressed with your grasp of boot camp language. You sound like most 10th graders.

Anybody that believes a gundealer gets what they deserve.





“Profanity is the crutch of a mental cripple” LMAO!!!

Conversely, personal insults are a sure sign of a weak argument, so you calling me a “crybaby” and insinuating I’m somehow mentally handicapped b/c of my potty mouth makes you no better than me, so get off your high-horse.

Obviously, there’s no point in refuting each of your erroneous points since it’s so glaringly apparent that your only reason for posting to this thread was to start an argument and I gave you what you wanted with my first response.

Since your reading comprehension appears to be so limited, I’ll reiterate……Fuck off……and go troll in someone else’s thread. Everyone else in this thread has either had something helpful to add or something funny to say…..you came asking for trouble.

You’re right about one thing: I was bitching (or venting). Sorry, I get a little riled when my Constitutional rights are being violated when I’ve done nothing wrong. I thought fellow firearms enthusiasts would be able to not only help, but also understand my frustration with the situation…..apparently, I was wrong (at least in your case).

You call it “bitching”, but in addition to my rant here, I’ve been pro-active. I’ve contacted the NRA, both of my Senators, and my personal attorney about this matter…..they all seem to think I have a valid point. I’ve also tried to have rational discussions on several occasions with the FBI NICS division (to no avail) and have consequently sent in my fingerprints and a criminal background check by my local PD in addition to all the other information they required.

So why am I still “bitching” since my case should be cleared up shortly? B/c the system could be improved to better serve the citizen. Why did I go ahead and contact my state Senators and the NRA after I went ahead and sent in my fingerprints? B/c I’m trying to make this system better for EVERYONE who should legally be able to purchase a firearm.

Maybe you’re one of those guys who just take it in the ass whenever a little adversity comes your way. I’m not. Either way, you’re still a transparent little fuck. I see through you like that $2 lingerie you like to wear…..you’re just trying to start shit. BTW, nice snatch bitch.


Sean

BTW, if you really want to discuss the particulars of why you’re wrong on so many levels about this situation, IM me…..otherwise;………well, I’ve already said it twice. I’m sure you can figure it out. (Hint: try reading in bold).

Link Posted: 9/14/2005 6:59:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SeanK1ng:
Conversely, personal insults are a sure sign of a weak argument.....



Not that I mind being hypocritical when it comes to internet entertainment, lol. I'm not the one who made it an issue though either.

Sean
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:10:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 7:10:15 AM EDT by KnobCreek]
Sean,
Chill and take a breathe.

1. Internet Entertainment: not going to get you much input from the resources on this site if that's your attitude.

2. A lot of ARCOMers will open this post and see the original poster telling people to fuck-off. Dude, don't do it, especially since you started the thread in the first place. People that can help or share their similar experience will see this shit and say FUCK IT.

On ARFCOM you need to be prepared to just let shit go. There's lots of opinions base on minimal information because generally that all we have to work with.

Just my two cents in an attempt to get you all the advice you can in the future from people here.
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:31:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KnobCreek:
Sean,
Chill and take a breathe.

1. Internet Entertainment: not going to get you much input from the resources on this site if that's your attitude.

2. A lot of ARCOMers will open this post and see the original poster telling people to fuck-off. Dude, don't do it, especially since you started the thread in the first place. People that can help or share their similar experience will see this shit and say FUCK IT.

On ARFCOM you need to be prepared to just let shit go. There's lots of opinions base on minimal information because generally that all we have to work with.

Just my two cents in an attempt to get you all the advice you can in the future from people here.


knobcreek,

Just so you know, I'm not at all pissed off now, just enjoying the witty banter .....in the first response, yes I was ticked.

This site is WAAAAY different than any other I've been on if people think that I started this....I can take care of myself, but if that's not allowed here, I'll abide by the rules.

I appreciate your response and advice, but I said what I said and I stand by it with regards to the manner in which I addressed PaDanby (or whatever his name is). I'm the EXACT same in real life as I am on the net. Many keyboard cowboys have questioned that until they've met me in person.

Basically, I've garnered all the information on this topic that I need to get my situation cleared up and this will probably just degrade into a name-calling thread. Is there a way to just delete it? I don't see that option in the control panel.

In any case, I really respect your comments and thank you for setting me straight. You won't see me disrespect or talk down to someone until they do it to me. I guess what I'm trying to say to PaDanby is if you treat me with respect, you'll get the same. If you don't; don't expect it from me.

Sean
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:33:34 AM EDT
+1
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:35:34 AM EDT
SeanK1ng, If you haven't already done so you should also request your criminal history file from the FBI. In addition to clearing your record up at the Federal level you will also have to clear it up in every state where an arrest under your name has been made. This FOIA request is different from the NICS denial appeal process.

I don't blame you for being pissed off because this is going to be a royal pain in the ass for you. If arrests have been made in multiple states you need to put your anger ( justifiable) aside and persist in clearing your name in every state. Because of privacy issues for certain types of records you may run into some roadblocks but you need to follow up on every one of them. This will be an ongoing effort because some things may pop out of the woodwork for years to come.

Good luck.

www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/fprequest.htm
Link Posted: 9/14/2005 7:38:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2005 7:40:30 AM EDT by KnobCreek]

Originally Posted By SeanK1ng:

Originally Posted By KnobCreek:
Sean,
Chill and take a breathe.

1. Internet Entertainment: not going to get you much input from the resources on this site if that's your attitude.

2. A lot of ARCOMers will open this post and see the original poster telling people to fuck-off. Dude, don't do it, especially since you started the thread in the first place. People that can help or share their similar experience will see this shit and say FUCK IT.

On ARFCOM you need to be prepared to just let shit go. There's lots of opinions base on minimal information because generally that all we have to work with.

Just my two cents in an attempt to get you all the advice you can in the future from people here.


knobcreek,

Just so you know, I'm not at all pissed off now, just enjoying the witty banter .....in the first response, yes I was ticked.

This site is WAAAAY different than any other I've been on if people think that I started this....I can take care of myself, but if that's not allowed here, I'll abide by the rules.

I appreciate your response and advice, but I said what I said and I stand by it with regards to the manner in which I addressed PaDanby (or whatever his name is). I'm the EXACT same in real life as I am on the net. Many keyboard cowboys have questioned that until they've met me in person.

Basically, I've garnered all the information on this topic that I need to get my situation cleared up and this will probably just degrade into a name-calling thread. Is there a way to just delete it? I don't see that option in the control panel.

In any case, I really respect your comments and thank you for setting me straight. You won't see me disrespect or talk down to someone until they do it to me. I guess what I'm trying to say to PaDanby is if you treat me with respect, you'll get the same. If you don't; don't expect it from me.

Sean



Sean,
Good to hear. If you've gotten what you need, you have no responsibility to keep up the banter. Say, "Thank you all for your input. Got it covered now."


Now, leave the thread and DON'T COME BACK.



PS. This situation suck moose balls. Keep at it as it will never end if you don't. Good luck
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