Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
Member Login

Site Notices
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 2
Posted: 3/14/2005 5:30:17 PM EST
Feinstein bill would re-establish assault weapons ban

Associated Press


WASHINGTON - Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation Monday to re-establish the federal assault weapons ban, which expired last September after Congress did not reauthorize it.

Feinstein, D-Calif., was the author of the original 1994 ban on the manufacture and importation of at least 19 types of common military-style assault weapons. She got an amendment through the Senate last year to extend the ban, but it was killed when the piece of legislation it was attached to failed after lobbying by the National Rifle Association.

Feinstein announced bipartisan co-sponsors Monday: Republican Sens. John Warner of Virginia and Mike DeWine of Ohio, and Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of New York. But getting the bill through the Republican-controlled Congress will be an uphill battle.

"We know the ban worked. We voted for its renewal in the Senate last year. Yet, it was allowed to expire," Feinstein said in a statement. "This failure will have deadly consequences on the streets of America. It is time to re-establish the ban and help make our communities safer."

The NRA and other opponents contended the ban was ineffective, in part because copycat weapons not covered by the ban were easy to make
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:31:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:32:54 PM EST
She has as much chance of getting i through both House and Senate as the proverbial snowball. She is turning into a one trick pony.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:33:11 PM EST
Hopefully it will never make it out of Committee.

FREE
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:33:31 PM EST
Fucking twat.


Originally Posted By 50cal:
She has as much chance of getting i through both House and Senate as the proverbial snowball. She is turning into a one trick pony.

Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:34:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:35:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By FREEFALLE6:
Hopefully it will never make it out of Committee.

FREE




Hopefully, but then again, nothing would surprise me.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:35:37 PM EST
Stillborn. Forget it.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:37:00 PM EST
I bet she brings up the California shootings on 2/25/05 on the AWB sunsetting. Even though the CA AWB didn't sunset. Any takers?
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:38:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By 50cal:
She has as much chance of getting i through both House and Senate as the proverbial snowball. She is turning into a one trick pony.



Turning into? Hell, was she ever NOT one?
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:39:42 PM EST
How old is she and Sarah Brady?

Remember they cant live forever, hopefully nobody will take their spot.

FREE
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:39:55 PM EST
It will be interesting to see if her bill grandathers all LEO/EXPORT/GOVT guns and mags that were restricted under the originial ban.

CRC
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:39:58 PM EST
Shes says she knows it worked?


I thought she went on record as saying it wasn't powerful enough to effect any real change...
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:41:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By FREEFALLE6:
How old is she and Sarah Brady?

Remember they cant live forever, hopefully nobody will take their spot.

FREE



Shit, they'll probably live to be as old as Castro.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:42:15 PM EST
Dead on Arrival.


End of story.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:43:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:52:00 PM EST
We know the ban worked.

Sure it worked... it banned guns. It banned new magazines. But it did not reduce crime. It did not keep guns out of the hands of criminals. It did not make anyone safer.

If a felon shoots you, it does not matter if there was a pistol grip or not, nor if there was a flash hider or not. Felons will still get guns.

All it did was embitter gun owners against government.

I will never trust government again. Never.

We all must keep an eye on these socialists. They are dangerous.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:58:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Shes says she knows it worked?


I thought she went on record as saying it wasn't powerful enough to effect any real change...




She expects the American public to have the attention span of a gnat, and go along with whatever's on CBS that night like good little sheeple...
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:02:32 PM EST
But it's for the children!
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:02:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:03:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
We know the ban worked.

Sure it worked... it banned guns. It banned new magazines. But it did not reduce crime. It did not keep guns out of the hands of criminals. It did not make anyone safer.

If a felon shoots you, it does not matter if there was a pistol grip or not, nor if there was a flash hider or not. Felons will still get guns.

All it did was embitter gun owners against government.

I will never trust government again. Never.

We all must keep an eye on these socialists. They are dangerous.



A big +1 on that!
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:04:52 PM EST
It ain't going anywhere. "Assault Weapon" bills are unpopular.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:07:20 PM EST
how many times do i have to ask?

Which street is infested with assault rifles?
i will adopt a highway and clean that fucker up.


Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:07:28 PM EST
I keep voting against her, and voting against her, but she won't go away!!
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:12:55 PM EST
Can't believe I ever voted for Warner.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:14:46 PM EST
I'd like to see a Feinstein BOTD!!!
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:17:03 PM EST

We know the ban worked


Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:17:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:
Feinstein announced bipartisan co-sponsors Monday: Republican Sens. John Warner of Virginia and Mike DeWine of Ohio,




CAN YOU PEOPLE PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THESE GUYS IN THE PRIMARIES NEXT TIME?
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:19:50 PM EST
They tried.

CRC
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:30:41 PM EST
First e-mail to congress already sent...
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:34:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
First e-mail to congress already sent...




FUCK emails...... nobody reads them.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:38:59 PM EST
Cant this bitch just go away?!?!?
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:44:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By WhiteCoyote:
I'd like to see a Feinstein BOTD!!!





Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:47:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy223:
Cant this bitch just go away?!?!?




as I said I'm no longer for this writing letters bullshit. I mean I'll still write but I feel it's pointless. I honestly feel it's time to overthrow this bitch and her goons. With force if necessary. This isn't even something that should be up for debate let alone be banned. Guns I mean.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:51:03 PM EST


She's just a liberal wanting to waste tax payers money. This bill is a waste of time. It should never, ever be allowed to be introduced.

I would rather see congress work on a bill. To keep the illegal gangs and drugs flooding into our borders. This would be much better time spent on tax payers money. And realy make America streets safer.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:56:51 PM EST
Hmm.
Protect the children buy making the streets safer huh?

Hmm. . .
BAN CHILDREN!
ITS FOR THE CHILDREN!
If there are no kids, then nothing bad can happen to them!
All existing children would be grandfathered in, but no new ones would be allowed. Child Deaths would fall to 0! Our kids would be safe at last!

Or we can Ban Liberals. Probably have a better shot of banning children tho.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:07:18 PM EST
What crime prevention is she talking about? Crime is about the same now as it was before the AWB sunset, guys and gals like us are just less pissed off.

She clouds gun control that works and is still in effect, ie keeping guns away from convicted felons, with control that doesn't work and is total BS - limiting weapons ownership by law abiding citizens. The people that obey the law aren't the ones to worry about. IMO those are the ones you want to reward.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:12:33 PM EST
There needs to be a Swift Boat Vets Against Feinswine organization. Maybe then we could get her out of Congress for good.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:12:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/14/2005 7:38:37 PM EST by LoginName]

Originally Posted By Lumpy223:
Cant this bitch just go away?!?!?




Strange thing about her... I've read comments in other fotums by hard-core Liberals who despise her, and comments by Conservatives who agree wih her with the exception of her position on firearms.

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/03/08/BAG5DBLSFM1.DTL

"FIELD POLL
53 percent would re-elect Feinstein
Senator's job rating drops, but is still in pollsters' 'safe' zone

Christian Berthelsen, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau

Tuesday, March 8, 2005

With her next election more than a year away, a poll to be released today finds a majority of Californians is inclined to re-elect U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

The Field Poll found that 53 percent of the survey sample said they are willing to send the former San Francisco mayor back to Washington for a fourth term, compared with 39 percent who are not.

Mark DiCamillo, the director of the Field Poll, noted that both the 50- plus rating on her re-election, as well as a 36 percent approval rating from Republicans, indicate she is well-positioned for re-election.

"Feinstein's re-elect numbers are in relatively safe territory," he said. "Anytime an incumbent is over 50 percent, most pollsters would say that's a safe seat."

Feinstein's job approval rating was 50 percent, a slightly lower level than the percentage of voters who would re-elect her. Twenty-nine percent of respondents disapproved of the job she is doing, the most since April 2003. DiCamillo attributed the decrease in her job approval rating to Feinstein's limited appearance in the news lately, noting that her "no opinion" rating had increased in tandem.

Feinstein, 72, earned the enmity of conservatives with her aggressive support for a federal ban on sales of assault weapons. Still, she has played the moderate on other issues, having supported President Bush's early tax cuts, voting to authorize the use of force in Iraq, and most recently giving a warm introduction for Condoleezza Rice at her Senate confirmation hearings.

Perhaps as a result, Feinstein's approval rating among Democrats is 64 percent. By comparison, fellow California Sen. Barbara Boxer -- who has taken a more partisan approach in Washington -- got higher marks from fellow Democrats, at 76 percent, but lower marks from Republicans, at 19 percent -- about half that of Feinstein.

"Feinstein is perceived as a more mainstream figure than Boxer," DiCamillo said.

The poll, of 800 registered California voters between Feb. 8 and Feb. 17, did not measure Feinstein's popularity against any potential challengers. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

For the purposes of comparison, the poll also asked for opinions on Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bush. Respondents had a 60 percent favorable opinion of Schwarzenegger, compared with 33 percent who did not. However, voters had a 46 percent favorable image of Bush, compared with 53 percent who did not. "
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:13:04 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:35:36 PM EST
Well, the miserable cunt is 72. How much longer can it go on?

Oh, wait - when that lying, filthy, degenerate scumbag bitch Patsy Schroeder finally gave up in 1998, her fuck-stick replacement, Diana Degette, took up the tireless mantle of "anti-gun shitbrain" here in the Denver metro area, and is as equally undefeatable, owning to the commie disposition of the urban scumbags in her district.

Fuck them all. I am soo heartily tired of their shit. I was working at a charitable event when that vote-hunting douchebag came 'round, shakin' hands and kissin' babies. I gave her a cold stare and a piece of my mind about her anti-assault-weapon mania, and she got real weird-quiet and just moved on.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:54:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/14/2005 7:56:06 PM EST by FLGreg]

Originally Posted By Voldermortist:

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
First e-mail to congress already sent...




FUCK emails...... nobody reads them.



Somebody does

I used to when I was a college sophomore and working as a Congressional intern. But that was before emails. You would send a letter in on say Topic A, another guy would send a letter in about topic B, ect. We had hundreds of letters to go through. We'd punch Topic A, B....ect into our computer with your name, address and it would spit out the "position" of the MC for that issue. The office manager had his signature down pat, we'd give her a stack of the letters, she'd sign them and I'd take them to the Congressional Post Office.

Butwe would have to keep track of the "for" and "against" of every issue. That tally was eventually presented to the MC.

I'm sure that it is a lot more automated than it was 25 years ago. Your letter DO count but the MC just doesn't read them all.

ETA: MC = Member of Congress
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:55:22 PM EST
seriously, she's 72. I know there will be another dumbass right behind her (one of the many reasons I would not shed a tear if the whole damn state of kalifornia went up in a huge volcanic blast) but i am sooooo gonna relish the day she dies. Every morning I log into foxnews.com just to see if she's keeled over.


It hasn't happend yet, but I know, someday it will. When it does, I am going to take the day off, get the wife and kids, go to lunch and then load up the gun, buy 1K rounds of whatever I can get ahold of and shoot it all off. And I'm really gonna splurge and not pick up ANY of the brass.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:58:04 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 8:37:19 PM EST
....and so it begins.

[LOTR] The board is set...the pieces are moving....[/LOTR]
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 8:41:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By WhiteCoyote:
I'd like to see a Feinstein BOTD!!!

Bitch Of The Day?
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 7:19:49 AM EST
This just in...


Mrs. FEINSTEIN. Mr. President, I rise to offer, along with Senators WARNER of Virginia and DEWINE of Ohio, the Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2005. We are joined by Senators SCHUMER, MIKULSKI, DURBIN, CLINTON, BOXER, LEVIN, DODD and REED, who are original cosponsors of this critical legislation.

This is the same basic legislation that passed by the Senate last year as an amendment to a bill designed to provide blanket immunity for gun manufacturers. However, once that amendment passed, the underlying bill was defeated, in part by its own sponsors, after the National Rifle Association applied intense pressure to Members of this body.

Thus we saw the ideological and extreme view of the National Rifle Association, when they sacrificed their most desired legislative priority--gun immunity legislation--because the Senate had approved the assault weapons ban and two other amendments that would save people's lives: closing the gun show loophole, and requiring trigger locks.

Although President Bush had said he supported the assault weapons ban, he refused to personally engage to help this legislation get signed into law, and the ban expired on September 13, 2004. As a result, these weapons are now once again proliferating through our neighborhoods and communities throughout the United States.

That is why, today, I am introducing the Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2005. This legislation mirrors the legislation I authored in the Senate and then-Congressman SCHUMER authored in the House in 1994.

As was done then, the legislation I am introducing would: ban the manufacturing of 19 specific types of military-style assault weapons , as well as a number of other guns based on a simple test to determine whether the guns were hunting guns or weapons of war; prohibit the manufacture of large capacity ammunition magazines--clips, drums and strips of more than ten rounds--because it is those large capacity ammunition feeding devices that can make a semiautomatic assault weapons so very deadly; and continue to exempt 670 hunting guns entirely, and it is also important to note that the ban would continue to ``grandfather'' in every gun that was made before 1994. So no innocent gun owner would lose a weapon. There will again be no confiscation component to the bill.

This legislation is not perfect. There are comparisons that were made to get it passed last time around, and since its previous enactment there have been many concerns raised about the need to tighten or alter the definition in order to make the prohibition more effective. I am open to working with my colleagues to ensure we enact the best legislation possible, but we need a first step--at a minimum Congress needs to reinstate the original assault weapons ban.

Unfortunately, we are already seeing the impact of the lapse of this law and we should not let another year pass without reinstating its protections. We know the ban worked. Supply went down. Prices went up. The use of these weapons of war in gun crimes had fallen consistently since the ban passed.

[Page: S2655] GPO's PDF
According to Department of Justice data, the proportion of these assault weapons used in crime fell more than 65 percent since the ban took effect. And these statistics are backed up by report from the Brady Campaign.
The analysis in the Brady study was performed by Gerald Nunziato, who for eight years served as the Special Agent in Charge of ATF's National Tracing Center--a man who know first hand what these numbers means.

The study found two key things:

First: ``Assault weapons banned by name in the Federal Assault Weapons Act have declined significantly as a percentage of guns ATF has traced to crime, and in absolute number of traces, since the Act was passed. Had this decline not occurred, thousands more of these banned assault weapons would likely have been traced to crime over the last 10 years.''

In other words, the assault weapons legislation signed into law ten years ago successfully dried up the use of banned assault weapons in crime. Second, arguments have arisen that despite this evidence, the ban has not really worked because gun manufacturers would simply produce copycat guns that have the same killing power as assault weapons , and use these guns in crime across the country. I agree that gun manufacturers have tried everything they could to circumvent the ban and this concern is something that may need to be addressed. But let's look at what the Brady study said about this issue.

Second: ``The gun industry's efforts to evade the Federal Assault Weapons Act through the sale of `copycat' guns has not substantially undercut the positive effect of the statute in reducing the incidence of assault weapons among crime guns.''
In other words, even though determined gun manufacturers tried to evade the ban, they were not successful and copycat guns did not replace banned guns in equal numbers, at least when traced to crimes.

In many cases, and when dealing with many issues, I continue to find that what is most compelling is not just the statistics, but rather the real people affected by the policies we debate. It's those men, women and children that are the reason most of us come to work everyday. I'm here today to talk about this issues because of the devastating effect these guns can have on families in our neighborhoods, office buildings, street corners or schoolhouses across the country. I have said before that this issue really came home to me on July 1, 1993, just over 11 years ago, when Gian Luigi Ferri walked into 101 California Street in San Francisco carrying two high-capacity TEC-DC9 assault pistols capable of holding 30- or 50-bullet magazines. Within minutes, Ferri had murdered eight people and six others were wounded. His victims were not soldiers or even enforcement officers. These people doing everyday jobs in an everyday place. A place forever tainted by the bloodshed caused by one man and his assault weapons .

And 101 California was just one of many shootings by grievance killers, discontented employees or even schoolchildren--shooting that shows us that nobody is safe when these guns are in the hands of the wrong people. Yet five months ago, the federal ban on assault weapons expired, and once again new guns like the TEC-DC9 are allowed on our streets. The ban expired despite overwhelming public support to renew it--71 percent of all Americans support renewing the assault weapons ban, as do 64 percent of people in homes with a gun. And it expired despite overwhelming support from law enforcement and civic organizations--nearly every major law enforcement and civic organization has supported a renewal, including the Fraternal Order of Police, the Chiefs of Police, the U.S. Conference of Mayors, the National Association of Counties, and the list goes on and on.

Sadly, the ban expired despite the stated public support of President George W. Bush and former Attorney General John Ashcroft and despite the support of a majority of United States Senators--52 of us voted to renew this ban just this past March. Despite all of this support, this past September the American people were lift unprotected and made less safe. And make no mistake--when the ban expired the guns began to flow. And when the guns began to flow the safety of our communities was put in jeopardy.

One advertisement that ran in gun magazines is from ArmaLite, a company that makes post-ban rifles. ArmaLite offered a coupon for a free flash suppressor for anyone who bought one of their guns before the ban expired so that, once the ban expired, the gun could be modified to its pre-ban configuration.

The ad even states that, ``It is not legal to install this on a post ban rifle until the assault weapons ban sunsets.''

This is the kind of thing we can continue to expect--companies once again producing deadly assault weapons , high capacity clips, and dangerous accessories we worked so hard to stop almost ten years ago.

The original assault weapons ban was passed before September 11, 2001, with focus on the use of these military weapons by street criminals and gangs. But in the intervening years we have come to appreciate the significance of the threat posed by foreign terrorists. We know that al Qa'ida and other shadowy terrorist groups may plan to attack us here, at home, using these very weapons . A training manual found in Afghanistan made clear that al Oa'ida has seen the threat posed by these weapons . In fact, some of these guns are the very ones being used against our men and women in uniform in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

Simply put--these weapons are not just a law enforcement problem. They are a homeland security and counterterrorism problem. We need to take action to ensure that AK-47s and other such assault weapons cannot simply be purchased by a terrorist operative in preparation for an attack in the United States.

I am deeply disappointed that despite support of the American people, support of the Congress, and stated support of the President, the assault weapons ban was allowed to expire this past fall.

It is past time to stand up to the NRA and instead listen to law enforcement all across the nation who know that this ban makes sense and saves lives. It is past time to listen to the studies that show that crime with assault weapons of all kinds has decreased by as much as 65 percent since the ban took effect almost ten years ago.

The bottom line is that across this nation everybody knows this ban should be law. Law enforcement, mayors, cities, counties, three former Presidents, and even George W. Bush himself have said the ban should be renewed.

This time I hope, for the safety of all Americans, President Bush, Majority Leader FRIST and Speaker HASTERT will help re-enact this important legislation



Link Posted: 3/15/2005 7:25:33 AM EST
I would love to see that bitch twitching at the end of a rope, with Shumer, Boxer, Brady, and all the others nervously awaiting their turn!!!!
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 7:57:01 AM EST
How can Senators Bodly Lie Like this and get away it?? I just dont understand??
Link Posted: 3/15/2005 8:06:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By CRC:

The NRA and other opponents contended the ban was ineffective, in part because copycat weapons not covered by the ban were easy to make



Dammit, why does the NRA bring up this shit!! Do they want to help get all the guns banned?


The ban was ineffective because gang bangers dont buy $1000 rifles at gunstores. I am so sick of this shit!!


Link Posted: 3/15/2005 4:25:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/15/2005 4:26:08 PM EST by ScaryGuy]


"We know the ban worked.



No, you stupid cunt, it didn't. Except that it allowed your to foist your ignornat view of the world on everyone else. Please just fuck the hell off.


We voted for its renewal in the Senate last year. Yet, it was allowed to expire,


Because the House woulda killed it, because it's a useless piece of shit like it's author.


"This failure will have deadly consequences on the streets of America. It is time to re-establish the ban and help make our communities safer."


Oh, for the love of shit, you ignorant twathair. Your own fucking DOJ stats proves that the ban did nothing to prevent crime., maybe because CRIMINALS IGNORE THE LAW, YOU FESTERING PIECE OF ASS CHEESE.


The NRA and other opponents contended the ban was ineffective, in part because copycat weapons not covered by the ban were easy to make


And even in giving a blurb to the opposition, our illustrious press makes it into a negative.

Dianne, please crawl back to whatever hell you came from and take your lapdog pressholes with you.

We realize that the ban is your legacy to the years you spent sucking Clinton's ass, but the country don't want it. Stick to fucking up your own goddamn hellhole of a state. Bitch.

SG

Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 2
Top Top