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Posted: 6/27/2002 7:38:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2002 11:45:36 AM EDT by Gunner1X]
[B]Write a new Pledge[/B] One Society Under No God only Divisibe By Liberals, Lawyers and Homosexuals. [B]Any of you crafty poets[/B] care to take a stabe at drafting a PC Pledge for the new open, warm and fuzzy, truth is relative, VW Beatle driving, PBS watching, NPR listening, tree hugging, gun banning, flag Burning, alternative sexual lifestyle preaching, give all kids a trophy whether they win or lose because it may hurt their self esteem pleading, we're all gods on the inside believing, ect. society comming soon to your neiborhood? Of Course [B]Non-PC Pledges are welcome as well[/B]
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 7:43:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 7:46:55 AM EDT
And they're off and out of the gate!
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 7:48:31 AM EDT
How about the one we had before 1954?
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 7:51:41 AM EDT
Ok so like I am not an American... However....that said.. I am not gay.. I am not a liberal ( Canadian gun owners HATE LIeberals) I do not belive in a god of any type shape or form.... So would you PLEASE stop lumping atheists in with them??? Pretty please?? Like Dave said...whats wrong with the original version??
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 7:54:09 AM EDT
I agree with Dave45. It wasn't until the "godless pinko commie hysteria" of the 50s that "under God" was added to begin with. The thumbsucking morons in Congress, as usual, created the problem.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 7:54:27 AM EDT
I pledge incoherence to the subject of the socialist leftist communists in this country and to the philosopher to whom they stand one collective with no property and no god no firearms or anything like that either
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:01:48 AM EDT
There is no allegiance To that colored rag In the divided state called Amerika No Republic, for nothing it stands This nation ousted God Liberal, with entitlements And decay for all
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:02:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stormbringer: Ok so like I am not an American... I do not belive in a god of any type shape or form.... So would you PLEASE stop lumping atheists in with them??? Pretty please?? Like Dave said...whats wrong with the original version??
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The United States, unlike any other nation except Israel, was founded by men who believed G*d was doing the work. Our founders, almost without exception believed G*d was guiding the process... With the rise of atheistic communism, the pledge was changed in the 50's, to reflect Americas belief that the cold war was spiritual, (Good vs. Evil), in nature. As can be seen in the events since the 50's, America has lost the battle, and is sinking rapidly..... Soon we will be just like your country, and others in the world. However, our fate will likely be worse than that of any other country, because we knew the truth, and departed from it...
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:05:21 AM EDT
[thinking] How about... [red]The Hymn of the Soviet Union Unbreakable Union of freeborn Republics, Great Russia has welded forever to stand. Created in struggle by will of the people, United and mighty, our Soviet land! Sing to the Motherland, home of the free, Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong. O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people, To Communism's triumph lead us on! Through tempests the sunrays of freedom have cheered us, Along the new path where great Lenin did lead. To a righteous cause he raised up the peoples, Inspired them to labor and valorous deed. [Or, the old way: Be true to the people, thus Stalin has reared us, Inspire us to labor and valorous deed!] Sing to the Motherland, home of the free, Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong. O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people, To Communism's triumph lead us on! In the vict'ry of Communism's deathless ideal, We see the future of our dear land. And to her fluttering scarlet banner, Selflessly true we always shall stand![/red]
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:05:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By marvl: I agree with Dave45. It wasn't until the "godless pinko commie hysteria" of the 50s..... .
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That turned out to be true...The "tin-foil hats" of the time were correct (as we are now). What they were saying has come to pass......
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:12:45 AM EDT
Well, I'm a patriot and a gun owner as well as an atheist. Our founding fathers may have believed God was guiding them but they put a little something in the Constitution that we so dearly love that calls for a separation between Church and State. And I for one totally agree with it. Why should I have to preach to a God I do not believe in just because I want to show my patriotism?
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:23:18 AM EDT
I almost hate to do this, but here goes... This is gonna hurt... Seems like every "downtrodden so and so (PC) says "F%&k everybody but MEEEEEEE!!!!!" That's where it seems to be going.... Threefiftynone says, "God, Guts, & Guns....I'll stick with the Big Three!!!" They have gotten me where I am today" No Welfare, no Foodsamps, no bullshit..... well maybe just a bushel and a peck of the bullshit..... When I was 5, I told my daddy I wanted a go cart... That rotten bastard said "Me too..." A couple of years later, I told daddy I wanted a dirt bike..."Here's a lawnmower... turn it into a dirtbike..." When I turned that Snapper walk behind into a ragged out XR75 that needed a chain and sprocket set to run more than 15 yards(neighbor's yards, mind you)without throwing the chain, of course I asked the old man for some cash... "Go to the bank and get a loan. They will want a down payment, and collateral..." I think I was 10 years old when he told me that... My mother tells me he was too hard on us.... 25 years later, I am making my own way in the world, as the rest of my siblings are today. I thank my daddy every time I talk to him for "being too hard on us". The more I think about these "politically correct" people, the more pissed off I get... These "titty babies" are sucking all of us hard working, responsible people dry... You know they are gonna try to get some money out of this fiasco.. Are they gonna demand the money not have "In God We Trust" anywhere on it??? I doubt it... Fuck Em .... And get a grip... around their neck... One Nation, Under God. With Liberty and Justice for All.... Can You Say "Rant"??? I knew you could...
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:28:01 AM EDT
I get warm and fuzzy feelings, around a fag, in the Untied States of Generica. And the pure democracy, for which he votes. A loose conglomerate of large cities under the UN, Subject to the whims of the World Court, with total equality and equal suffering for all!
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:34:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stormbringer: I do not belive in a god of any type shape or form.... So would you PLEASE stop lumping atheists in with them??? Pretty please?? Like Dave said...whats wrong with the original version??
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ditto I will fight for the USA, not because "god" created it, but rather because I believe that the USA is the best hope that humanity has for the future. (science, medicine, and freedom from tyranny and oppression among other things) I place the defense of the United States of America and her ideals above [b]ALL[/b] else, including any "supreme being".
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:36:03 AM EDT
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I would like to apologize for my rant.... NOT!!! One Nation, Under God. My God... He may be "Ra", the god of the sun, "Jesus Christ", or whoever you choose.. It used to be a free country, right??? With Liberty and Justice For All...
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:43:23 AM EDT
...one nation under BOB...
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:48:27 AM EDT
When the constitution was written, I doubt that there were many athiest and those who were athiest probably kept it to themselves. The seperation of church and state issue is a non issue. At the time the document was written no one doubted that there was a god or creator. That became fashionable much later. God is not a religeon.The acceptance that there is a god or denial thereof does not make you a religeous person or define your specific religeon. If you don't like the way the pledge is written or don't agree with it then don't say it. Just don't tell me I can't say it.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 8:56:18 AM EDT
A house divided quickly falls. Fact: America was founded by Christians Love it or leave it.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:07:10 AM EDT
[B]OK gentlemen , back to the subject at hand:[/B] Being: The new pledge. You will be graded on content as well as talent as it relates to the creative use of english language. Golly, Gosh! I hope the term "english language" does not offend anyone.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:09:26 AM EDT
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When the constitution was written, I doubt that there were many athiest and those who were athiest probably kept it to themselves. The seperation of church and state issue is a non issue. At the time the document was written no one doubted that there was a god or creator. That became fashionable much later. God is not a religeon.The acceptance that there is a god or denial thereof does not make you a religeous person or define your specific religeon.
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Well said, it was an atheist that started this bullshit. If you don't want to say the pledge then keep your mouth shut but don't force your screwed up views on the rest of us that believe in the Lord above. First tag and dodge ball, now the pledge, what's next? Rant over.... [soapbox] If you don't like the way the pledge is written or don't agree with it then don't say it. Just don't tell me I can't say it.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:19:43 AM EDT
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of amerika, and to the democracy for which it stands, many nations under john ashcroft, divided with unreasonable search and seizure, and unconstitutional arrest and imprisonment for whomever He decides..... you asked....
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:20:10 AM EDT
While the storm clouds gather far across the sea, Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free, And be grateful for a land so fair, Just make sure it doesn't get taken over by liberal affairs.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:22:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:22:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos: Our founding fathers may have believed God was guiding them but they put a little something in the Constitution that we so dearly love that calls for a separation between Church and State.
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Really, is that exactly what it says? Where?
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:26:05 AM EDT
THIS has got to be the WINNER: "In the night of death, hope sees a star, and listening love can hear the rustle of a wing." - Robert Ingersoll If tomorrow all the things were gone I'd worked for all my life, And I had to start again with just my children and my wife, I'd thank my lucky stars to be living here today, 'Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can't take that away. And I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free, And I won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me, And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God Bless the U.S.A. From the lakes of Minnesota to the hills of Tennessee, Across the plains of Texas from sea to shining sea. From Detroit down to Houston and New York to L.A., There's pride in every American heart and it's time we stand and say: That I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free, And I won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me, And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today, 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God Bless the U.S.A. sung by Lee Greenwood
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:27:42 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:33:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2002 9:36:28 AM EDT by Gunner1X]
Man, this talent contest judging business is really hard. You're all so wonderful and each and everyone one of you are valid in your feelings. I don't want to offend anyone one or hurt anyone's self esteem, so I may have to award everyone with an A+ on their writing abilities, regardless of typos and poor punctuation. I think that's how it's done in pulic schools now as well. Just be happy with who you are inside. That's what's most important. Just be happy and smile, smile, smile!
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:43:24 AM EDT
Ya cant stop there you must also take God out of The Bill of Rights The Constitution Currency Get rid of all the Chaplains out of the US Military I use pledge for my alliegance waxes To the divided states of Mass. confusion And screw the republik of californicators which fall for everything and stand for nothing and for the sodomites whose demands we constantly aqueisce to and the godless whore of babylon whose arrest will ask for Baal and gommorah the same. With librium and Just Us for Oil.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:47:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos: Well, I'm a patriot and a gun owner as well as an atheist. Our founding fathers may have believed God was guiding them but they put a little something in the Constitution that we so dearly love that calls for a separation between Church and State. And I for one totally agree with it. Why should I have to preach to a God I do not believe in just because I want to show my patriotism?
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Bull alert The separation was a note by Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists that was to assure them that the state would make no religion ...the wall of separation is simply so the baptists were reassured that unlike England whose Church of England was forced upon Christians in the United States would be free to worship the Creator and His Son as they wished... There is nothing in the Constitution that takes God out of the Nations institutions... Aetheist and commie left wing lies
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:55:24 AM EDT
An offense- free pledge: "[strike]I pledge allegiance[/strike] to the "[strike]flag[/strike] of the "[strike]United Stated[/strike] of "[strike]America,[/strike] and to the "[strike]republic[/strike] for which it "[strike]stands, one nation, individible, under God,[/strike] with "[strike]Liberty and justice[/strike] for "[strike]all." Then again, "all" seems a bit intolerant. What if somebody feels unfairly included in "all?" Better strike that too. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:56:04 AM EDT
Hey ,didn't God help create all those other non- Christian country to USSR was pretty big for him not to notice ? China did he missed that one ? Why did the Muslim get all the good oil ? Africa the continent, not many Christians , They got most of the good minerals. Think of all the good we could have done with that stuff. God is not interested with any government at all GOD IS A KING and heaven is not a democracy I love this place [:D]
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 9:57:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 9divdoc: Ya cant stop there you must also take God out of The Bill of Rights The Constitution Currency Get rid of all the Chaplains out of the US Military I use pledge for my alliegance waxes To the divided states of Mass. confusion And screw the republik of californicators which fall for everything and stand for nothing and for the sodomites whose demands we constantly aqueisce to and the godless whore of babylon whose arrest will ask for Baal and gommorah the same. With librium and Just Us for Oil.
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Holy Crap! 9divdoc pulls into the lead with this one! You Wisconsin folks are alright! I take back every rotten cheese joke I every made. The rest of you guys better put on your creative thinking caps. Get the wife and kids involved. We'll make it a team sport.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 10:15:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 10:17:06 AM EDT
If the names "Christ" or "Budda" were opart of the pledge, then it [i]would[/i] be specific to particular religious beliefs &, therefore, unconstitutional. But "God" is non-specific. The phrase, "...under God...", was inserted in 1954. If this is [i]so[/i] offensive & [i]so[/i] important an issue to garner this much scrutiny, then why not simply remove the "offensive" phrase? On the other hand, aren't all citizens' rights supposed to be [u]equally[/u] important & protected under the original (constitutional) framework? [i]Must[/i] the "offended" minority opinion supercede? And just where in the US Constitution is there a stated right to [i]not be offended[/i]? The pledge is [b]not[/b] about forcing any religion upon someone. "God" is a non-specific reference to a nebulous creator &, in essence, is an admission that religion does influence social &/or legal constructs. For example, the legal distinctions utilized in discriminating between 1st, 2nd, 3rd deg. murder can be directly traced to the foundations of Judaic law, elaborated in the Old Testamnent of the Holy Bible. Until yesterday, the pledge has been a carte blanche part of Americana & atheists have (at least in the past) somehow managed to avoid the stain of religious persecution &/or indoctrination. There would be no forfeiture of justice to expect the "offended" few to accept that theology (actually) isn't being forced upon them, stop crying wolf, & quit being a false martyr. Seems like most of the time, the only person jerking an atheist's chain is the atheist her/himself. Pipe down.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 10:18:31 AM EDT
OK I'm sorry. I offended [B]ilikelegs[/B] by choosing someone other than him, so now he's in the lead.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 10:27:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 10:33:56 AM EDT
The United States, unlike any other nation except Israel, was founded by men who believed G*d was doing the work. Our founders, almost without exception believed G*d was guiding the process...
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Umm, common misperception. Everytime I get in a discussion with a religionist it's always "Einstein was religious..." or "Our country was founded on religion, Washington was a churchgoer..." - or some other statement that is functionally very very similar to "Rosie O'Donnell and Meryl Streep support gun control." - with the consequent implication that since certain folks had certain beliefs it *must* be good for you/nation, too. Like liberalism, when you pump crap down for generations, it tends to stick in the minds & thought processes. Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Mason, Franklin, and many others (including some great hard-charging as*holes like Ethan Allan) were not really believers. They may have made a courteous bow to some others' religious feelings on occasion or used the term "god" as a catch-all term implying whatever forces threw life together. These men were educated folks and were trying to bring mankind out of the age of superstition. They had seen the depredations to individual freedom (and, for that matter, to members of other religions) that state-supported religions had created, and knew of the once awesome political power of the pope and Catholic church - Inquisition, etc. They believed in the power of logical thought, and that man could better himself; they were avid readers of Hobbs, Montesquieu (splg?) and others who argued that man's fundamental inalienable rights were inherent to his existence. [url] http://www.freethought-web.org/ctrl/quotes_founders.html [/url] [url] http://www.theology.edu/journal/volume2/ushistor.htm [/url] The above, however, doesn't mean that some of our Founders were not religious, but that their religion didn't rub off on our founding structures, or that they were smart & decent enough to separate their beliefs from building our nation. We're NOT an "anything" nation, and certainly we aren't a "Christian" nation: never have been, never will, and if it were moving in that direction, I'd be on a rooftop with an AR and my Rem 700LTR. Really not much difference between religions except order-of-magnitude of the body count. Bill Wiese San Mateo, CA
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 10:36:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86: However, our fate will likely be worse than that of any other country, because we knew the truth, and departed from it...
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True, so true. Its hard to pray for a nation when some want to exclude GOD from everything! Our founding fathers consulted God in prayer and established this once great nation. History has shown once a nation excludes God, bad things happen.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 10:45:55 AM EDT
This topic is about a new pledge. Yet, once again, we digress. Work with me people! Please express your views poetically or you will be disqualified. I hope this doesn't offend.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 10:50:15 AM EDT
sniped wrote: Its hard to pray for a nation when some want to exclude GOD from everything! Our founding fathers consulted God in prayer and established this once great nation...
Oh, come off it: that's pure bullhockey! Where did you learn this crap - must've been from a church or a public school (both are guilty of shovelling crap to force their beliefs on others). Lots of our Founding Fathers - I'd bet at least 70% of the signers of the Declaration - were, at the least, agnostics. I *know* big boys like Jefferson, Madison, Adams (both Sam & John), Mason were essentially nonbelievers. Being nonreligious... - DOESN'T mean you want kids to be taught "Bobby has 2 mommies"; - DOESN'T mean you're for big gov't; - DOESN'T mean you want taxes; - DOESN'T mean you suppress others' religions; - DOESN'T mean you support the right to sleep with goats. - DOESN'T mean you don't support vouchers. I really don't give a rat's ass if our $$ says "In God we trust" or the Pledge says "...under God". It's not worth the money to change things, etc. If you can show me a friggin' god around, that's fine: I'd like to ask him why He stopped Big3 from making good muscle cars, and why fast-food burgers aren't as good as they used to be in the 70s. Bill Wiese San Mateo, CA
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 11:31:59 AM EDT
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BEWIESE Wrights:
Lots of our Founding Fathers - I'd bet at least 70% of the signers of the Declaration - were, at the least, agnostics. I *know* big boys like Jefferson, Madison, Adams (both Sam & John), Mason were essentially nonbelievers.
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Bull SHIT!!! Thomas Jefferson was a Deist FROM History of Deism
Many of the leaders of the French and American revolutions followed this belief system, including John Quincy Adams, Ethan Allen, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison ,Thomas Paine, and George Washington. Deists played a major role in creating the principle of separation of church and state, and the religious freedom clauses of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution.
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The word "Deism" is derived from the Latin word for God: "Deus." Deism involves the belief in the existence of God, on purely rational grounds, without any reliance on revealed religion or religious authority
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Link Posted: 6/27/2002 11:45:06 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/27/2002 11:52:24 AM EDT
[B]DO YOUR PART![/B] A Pole has been added. Please go to the first page and [B]VOTE[/B] It's the American thing to do! [B][S]God[/S] bless you all![/B]
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 12:07:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Benjamin0001: Bull SHIT!!! Thomas Jefferson was a Deist
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Deist does [b][u][i]NOT[/i][/u][/b] mean Christian, Einstein. Deists have a hard time swallowing the miracles of Jesus - Thomas Jefferson certainly felt this way. Jefferson was indeed an atheist, but his friendship with Adams (a Unitarian deist) oftentimes moved him back and forth between deism and atheism. Deists believe that God is no longer active in the world, and hasn't been for quite some time. In other words, he got things rolling along, and then kinda left mankind to it's own devices. Know your facts. the_reject
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 12:37:58 PM EDT
Okay, here goes nothing. A buddy of mine were discussing this yesterday, and he came up with the idea. This is my replacement for the current pledge: [b]"I do solemnly affirm that I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." [/b]
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 12:56:15 PM EDT
"I[s], name,[/s] do solemnly swear (or affirm) that [s]I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and[/s] I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." Just modify the Presidential Oath of Office slightly and we come up with a good pledge and ... exactly what mejames said.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 1:04:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mejames: [b]"I do solemnly affirm that I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." [/b]
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Don't forget the "Unless you're a terrorist in which case you do not have to sign or recite this", clause. Or perhaps the "Unless this offends you" Clause. If you leave it out, you'll have the lawyers all over you for forced self incrimination or some other BS.
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 1:26:28 PM EDT
How's this: [b]I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the Republic which it defines, a nation of sovereign States, with Liberty, and Justice, for all Citizens.[/b]
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 1:37:10 PM EDT
I pledge allegience to Queen frag In her massive state of hysteria One Nation, under Monarchy With Tyranny and Genocide for all I like the modified Presidential Oath of Office for a pledge. I'd rather pledge allegiene to the guiding legal document then a three colored piece of cloth.-yes i know its the idea of it, but so is the Constitution. ________________________________________ I pledge allegience to Beer and Pot to the Anarchy for which it stands One Nation, really high with parties, free sex, and munchies for all I pledge allegience to belt-fed weapons to the chaos for wich it creates One Nation, Under fire with 'nades and ammo for all [}:D]
Link Posted: 6/27/2002 1:38:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DPeacher: How's this: [b]I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the Republic which it defines, a nation of sovereign States, with Liberty, and Justice, for all Citizens.[/b]
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THIS IS IT!!!!!!!
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