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Posted: 7/5/2001 12:51:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2001 12:51:47 PM EDT by Imbroglio]
Woo hoo! There is no conspiracy or black helicopters here, this is the real deal. [url]ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAFR56XSOC.html[/url] Jul 5, 2001 U.N. Investigating Whether E-Mails From U.S. Gun Enthusiasts a Security Threat By Edith M. Lederer Associated Press Writer UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The United Nations is investigating whether irate letters and e-mails it has received from American gun enthusiasts protesting an upcoming conference on the illicit trade in small arms constitutes a security threat. The world body has received about 100 complaints from Americans who erroneously believe the conference seeks to infringe on their right to bear arms, U.N. Undersecretary-General for Disarmament Jayantha Dhanapala said Thursday. The gun-rights enthusiasts did not threaten physical harm to any U.N. official but their protests were strongly worded and were turned over to U.N. security experts, Dhanapala said. "What concerned me was that there was a widespread campaign," he said. "It's essentially a U.S.-based phenomenon." The letters and e-mails started arriving in recent weeks, some signed and some anonymous, alleging that the U.N. is attempting to take away guns from people, in conflict with the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens, Dhanapala told a news conference. "I did not get the impression that they have been orchestrated. They are differently worded, but clearly they all labor under the same misapprehension about the conference," he said. Dhanapala's office released a pamphlet called "Setting the Record Straight" to address the misconceptions they contained and explain what the conference hopes to achieve. "The focus of the conference is on illicit trade in small arms, not the legal trade, manufacture or ownership of weapons," the pamphlet stressed. "The U.N. conference will have no effect on the rights of civilians to legally own and bear arms." Delegates are expected to adopt a program of action, which is not legally binding, to curb and ultimately eliminate illegal trafficking in assault rifles and other small arms and light weapons that have become the weapons of choice in many internal conflicts around the world. About a dozen gun-rights groups, including the U.S. National Rifle Association, are among the 177 non-governmental organizations accredited to attend the two-week conference which begins Monday. Dhanapala said these groups will be able to attend all public meetings and will choose several representatives to make statements at one official conference session. U.N. conventional arms expert Joao Honwana, a top conference official, said it wasn't up to the U.N. Department for Disarmament Affairs to judge whether the e-mails and letters constituted a threat. "The objective of turning these e-mail and communications to the U.N. security was precisely to allow them to assess them from a perspective of threat to the organization of the conference and take whatever necessary measures they found appropriate, which is what they are doing," he said. [B]"They analyze those communications, and I'm sure that they will contact with the appropriate institutions in this country and elsewhere to make sure that whatever is said in those e-mails does not represent a major threat to the organization of this conference,"[/B] Honwana said. AP-ES-07-05-01 1531EDT
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 12:55:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 12:57:59 PM EDT
Hey Coffee Can, investigate this![-!-!-] Eric The(Don'tMakeMeHaveToComeUpThereNow!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:09:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2001 1:06:25 PM EDT by platform389]
Sooo, the UN thinks I am a "security threat"? Good. Because I am...[pissed]
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:09:47 PM EDT
Small arms are the limbs hacked off of small children, in quaint places like Sierra Leone. Are machetes on their illicit weapons ban? WTF, worried about 100 complaints, no rights for peaceful protest?
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:17:31 PM EDT
"What concerned me was that there was a widespread campaign," he said. "It's essentially a U.S.-based phenomenon." Like Chaingun said.... 100 posts and you get this? My tin foil hat has been tuned into big brother's wavelength for so long, I forgot about big daddy. I'm gonna have to get a dual mode beanie. And I thought I was paranoid. [8P]
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:24:44 PM EDT
Sounds like they are just trying to drum up publicity for their little meeting. 100 e-mails, which, by their own admission, contained no threats. They can't stop any massacres in the real world, so they come up with this.
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:29:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:31:50 PM EDT
Wait! someone's knocking at my door!(guys with dark suit's and black sunglasses hum who could it be).
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:40:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:42:47 PM EDT
And to think that our tax dollars go to help fund this "organization". How pathetic.
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:51:15 PM EDT
Sounds like they're looking for an excuse to crack some skulls. "he wrote me a nasty email, so I had to rain arty down on his home, I was scared!" Either that or further demonize gunowners and make us look like unstable bad guys, but it's all for the good of the NWO!
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:52:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2001 1:50:07 PM EDT by geek4guns]
Yo, Kofi(we know you're watching), if you don't stop pissing me off, I'm gonna start confiscating cars with diplomatic plates in a month for not respectin the laws of our country. Yeah, come on and get me. Oh, and my address: 357 West 35th Street New York, New York 10001 I've got hundreds of Glocks with high-capacity magazines, over a hundred homeboys to use them, and if you come knocking I can always call on a buncha guys a coupla blocks over with armored cars and assault weapons - complete with short barrels, silencers, flash supressors, folding stocks, high-cap magazines, and *gasp* even grenade launchers. *grin* And in case you didn't get it, click [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/2001-07-04/news_and_views/opinion/a-117158.asp[/url] edited to fix the link.
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:54:51 PM EDT
What disappoints me is that they have received [i]only[/i] 100 Emails/letters. What have we all been doing sitting on our hands? I'll be the first to admit I'm guilty of not Emailing them myself. But it is something I intend to correct ASAP. Come on folks let's all get on their list of people that are security risk. Surely we can generate at least a 1000 from right here.
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:55:12 PM EDT
What do you want to bet that the people who sent those messages are now under surveillance? Their phones are probably tapped, and assault teams are preparing for raids (just in case). They are calling 100 messages a widespred campaign? If there had really been a campaign, they would have gotten thousands. I think this story is an attempt to intimidate gun owners and frighten them into keeping silent while their rights are being stripped away.
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 1:59:42 PM EDT
"The U.N. conference will have no effect on the rights of civilians to legally own and bear arms."
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There is no right of civilians to legally own and bear arms. There is only the right of [b]individuals to keep and bear arms[/b]. "legally" just means they can squirm out and define legally in a manner in which for all intents and purposes, guns are banned. Kinda like the answer some Chinese official gave SAR(funny interview in the August issue) - yes we allow people to own guns with the proper permits...because some people need guns in their official duties as police and governement officials. Sugarcoated bullsh|t still tastes like sh|t.
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 2:59:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2001 5:34:51 PM EDT by tylerdurden1201]
If the UN wants to try to F**k with American gun owners... that's their mistake. I'm to pissed to type more... Tyler [img]http://www20.brinkster.com/tylerdurden1201/xx_psycho01.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 3:11:08 PM EDT
I think there is going to be an "incident" and it will be used to gain support for their agenda. Problem, reaction, solution- all created by the same entity.
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 3:34:40 PM EDT
Koffi can eat the peanuts out of my a-hole.
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 3:45:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbrog|io: I think there is going to be an "incident" and it will be used to gain support for their agenda. Problem, reaction, solution- all created by the same entity.
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100 % !!!!
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 3:51:45 PM EDT
Anyone know of an email address we can send them another 1000 or so messages??
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 4:06:25 PM EDT
Lets see just exactly how "Scared" they are. Those guys who did send e-mails, see if you can get a plane ticket to NY on June 9... Or if you can, see if you can actually board the plane, or get off in NY without being met by some "friendlies"... BISHOP
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 4:14:54 PM EDT
"The world body has received about 100 complaints from Americans who erroneously believe the conference seeks to infringe on their right to bear arms, U.N. Undersecretary-General for Disarmament Jayantha Dhanapala said Thursday" Only 100 complaints?? We're slacking boys & girls, they need to here from a hell of alot more than that!!! ColtShorty GOA KABA COA JPFO SAF NRA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them."
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 4:25:11 PM EDT
From their website: inquiries@un.org is the email address. Let fly the emails!
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 4:28:30 PM EDT
Only 100 or do them mean 1000+?? Or is it that 100 were 'deamed to be seriouse'..... No time to read the artical, but will later.......
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 4:32:07 PM EDT
I just got my name on the NWO's shitlist I'm sure, but f*ck it. Here's what I wrote them: "You may try to dress up your conference with slick rhetoric, but we know what your game is. I understand that the 100 or so emails are a concern to the UN, grow a spine you leftist babies. We have a little thing called "Freedom of speech", and another thing called "The Right to Keep and Bear Arms" . These rights belong to all people of the world, not just those in the US, given to us by our Creator. They cannot be taken away or infringed. Any attempt to disarm United States citizens will be resisted vigorously. Please note that there are also thousands and thousands of Americans who are ready to kick the UN out of the United States. You have worn out your welcome, it's time to leave now." bastards...
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 4:40:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2001 4:40:53 PM EDT by warlord]
Originally Posted By mejames: They are calling 100 messages a widespred campaign?
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Many U.S. politicians only get a few letters on any particular subject, when they get several hundred they consider it an "avalanche." ===== Those people should clean up their backyard before cleaning up mine. I think the Japanese and Canadians behind this BS?
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 5:11:15 PM EDT
Once they figure out that those e-mails are from [b]real[/b] gunowners they will dismiss them as a security threat. Hell, real gunowners are so apathetic that 100,000 e-mails from them is less of a security threat (protests, yelling, and other disruptive but harmless behaviors) than 100 e-mails from Commie tree-huggers. [>(]
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 5:29:13 PM EDT
I wonder if they are investigating this forum. If you UN monitors are reading this, try to read this: a universal greeting[-!-!-].
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 5:31:35 PM EDT
Now it's my turn to sit and wait for a knock at my door. I bet you 100 USGI mags they will never show up. But incase it's time to load up boys and girls. I hope Coffee can is the point man at my F*cking door! I'll turn him into DeCaf real quick! Ooooooooh........was that a threat? DAMN STRAIGHT! F*ck you UN!!!![-!-] Flood their E-mail box.
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 5:36:31 PM EDT
"At last we have a safe country to live in for all people, free of guns!!!!!" Adolf Hitler. right before he tried to rule the world.[sniper]
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 5:42:08 PM EDT
if they come investagete me, they will end up investigating the celing of thier own coffin
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 5:52:51 PM EDT
Bravo Sierra! When was the last time any of you even shouted down an anti-self defense politician? Those Socialist scum shouldn't EVER be heard!
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 8:20:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2001 8:20:38 PM EDT by Sweep]
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 9:02:32 PM EDT
i forgot to say this in my last post: hey UN i got a final answer for ya, suck it
Link Posted: 7/5/2001 9:14:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/5/2001 9:12:52 PM EDT by Magic]
The U.N. Undersecretary-General for Disarmament Jayantha Dhanapala has made a misstatement. I think his agenda is directly at odds with the ownership of arms by private citizens. Here is a quote from a press release [url]http://srch1.un.org/plweb-cgi/fastweb?state_id=994394528&view=unsearch&docrank=25&numhitsfound=153&query=%20Disarmament%20Dhanapala%20&&docid=1722&docdb=pr2000&dbname=web&starthit=25&sorting=BYRELEVANCE&operator=and&TemplateName=predoc.tmpl&setCookie=1[/url]
Two important United Nations tools for transparency and confidence- building in the field of conventional arms continued to show signs of stagnation and even regression in the face of the reluctance by many States to make use of them, he stated. An expert group had been examining ways to increase participation in the Register of Conventional Arms. Many countries had also not used the standardized reporting instrument for military expenditures. At this time of rising military budgets, it had become all the more important to have reliable information about the scope of that particular problem. The destruction of over 1,000 small arms in the “Flame de la Paix” in Agadez, Niger, along with the moratorium on the import, export or manufacture of light weapons announced two years ago by the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), illustrated some of the progressive disarmament activities underway in West Africa. The Department of Disarmament Affairs, along with United Nations Development Programme, proposed to embark on a weapons-for-development programme for which the assistance of the donor community was urgently needed, he added.
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Link Posted: 7/6/2001 6:12:28 AM EDT
We have over 10 thousand signers to the Kmart Petition, and only 100 letters to the UN(of which 3 are mine). Get off your asses and give them something to worry about people!
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:02:05 AM EDT
What the UN doesn't realize is that several elite battalions of mall ninjas have been preparing for Operation Bitchslap for the past six months. Let's just say one wouldn't want to be anywhere near the HQ on that fateful day, lest one hear the rousing battle cry, "ALL YOUR BLUE HELMETS ARE BELONG TO US!"
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:17:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/6/2001 8:17:22 AM EDT by Watch-Six]
Oops. Double post. Sorry.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:19:21 AM EDT
Some people used "strong words"? Oh, how horrible. [:O]
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:23:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbrog|io: Dhanapala's office released a pamphlet called "Setting the Record Straight" to address the misconceptions they contained and explain what the conference hopes to achieve. "The focus of the conference is on illicit trade in small arms, not the legal trade, manufacture or ownership of weapons," the pamphlet stressed. "The U.N. conference will have no effect on the rights of civilians to legally own and bear arms."
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I think the U.S. gun owner have "been there, done that." How many laws start out being being simple, non-threatening, morp into a Frankenstein. A new spin, on an old theme. History is repeating itself. Back in 1776, the British felt threatened by civilian American gun owners. I wonder what makes the mighty U.N. feel the same?
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:32:25 AM EDT
Humm, was looking around the UN site and found this. It was a press relese back in 1997. Below is a PORTION of the article....an intersting part..... Here's the link: [url]http://srch1.un.org/plweb-cgi/fastweb?state_id=994435578&view=unsearch&numhitsfound=7&query=national%20rifle%20association&&docid=1017&docdb=pr1997&dbname=web&sorting=BYRELEVANCE&operator=adj&TemplateName=predoc.tmpl&setCookie=1[/url] ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL COUNCIL GRANTS CONSULTATIVE STATUS TO 134 NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS
On the political issue, the Council had invited the Conference last year to give its views on new applications of non-governmental organizations or whether a non-governmental organization should continue to retain consultative status. For the first time, the Conference would use this invitation and address the case of the American National Rifle Association, which had been to the Roster last year, scandalizing many non-governmental organizations. The Conference now intended to change its rules of membership. Not only would consultative status with the Council now be required, but non- governmental organizations would also have to "accept the aims of the Conference". On the practical issue, the Conference approved the reinforcement of the United Nations staff which worked with non-governmental organizations.
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Now, if you read that exerpt I quoted, does it sound like the UN will only allow the NGO to take part if they AGREE with their agenda!!!! Granted, this was back in 1997....... Sounds like typical politics....... But then again, we (AR15.com-ers) don't like it when a 'libera', 'anti-gun' person strays here.... PS- if you visit any UN sites, make sure you clear your cache and cookies!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:46:23 AM EDT
My letter says: I was pissed when I read an article stating that the U.N. is planning yet another confrence on disarming the people of the world. In addition, furthe infuriating the issue were inflamatory remarks the U.N. made about America. This is damned good country and you blowhard bastard should get the hell out. You are not welcome in America, so take your confrence and hold it somewhere where your left-wing crybaby agenda would be accepted. Oh but you've already disarmed England, Australia, Japan, and Canada. You will not threaten America's sovergnty. America is a sovergn nation and gun ownership is a god given right. The U.N. is threatening our sovergnty. America's gun owners are prepared to take your worthless crybaby asses on and that is a promise. If the U.N. attempts to take the guns of myself or any other true blooded American, that will be your undoing. We will not stand for this garbage. The U.N. will pay if they try to disarm America. By the way you lying backstabbing dogs can not cloak your true agenda in lies and propaganda. You are not out to end the illegal arms trade, you are out to disarm America and the world, so that the only military will be your limp-wristed pansies in the blue helmets. The U.N. makes me sick. Go to hell bastards, Chris Carr I hope the U.N. gets the point. We need to flood their worthless asses and teach the U.N. a lesson they won't soon forget.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:52:33 AM EDT
This is what I sent. You think this might be a little over kill? We have had enough of your anti gun retoric. We know you know that guns save more innocent lives then you would like people to think. And that the UN is a socialist orginization. You prefer the unarmed because it makes you feel safe and makes your rise to an absolute power possible. Following in the footsteps of this worlds great dictators...Adolf Hitler, Starlin the list goes on and on. Needless to say we know this crap you are trying to sell us and we don't want it.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 8:54:41 AM EDT
Take note of the words they use in this statement:
"The focus of the conference is on illicit trade in small arms, not the legal trade, manufacture or ownership of weapons,"
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It says focus, just like Feinsteins "focus" for banning firearms, background checks, licensing, and registration, is to reduce crime. It's only a side affect that gun owners lose their rights. I bet you didn't know Feinstein supports your right to own hunting firearms. She does, but according to her definition of a hunting firearm and only after you jump through all the addition hoops she puts in place. We need to start calling the anti-gun people for what they are really saying, not for what people think they heard. All people hear is Feinstein saying she supports your right to own hunting firearms, and they think they won't have any additional restrictions or anything else to worry about. The UN is doing the same thing.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 9:07:55 AM EDT
(First post in 9 months) The pamphlet mentions they're only meeting to discuss the "ILLEGAL" trade in small arms. LOL... That leaves two possibilites.. #1) Whose definition of "illegal" are they using? Austrailia's? #2) They're saying what they're going to do to all the LEGAL guns BEFORE they make them ILLEGAL. They're working backwards to cover their tracks. Even if they did ban guns, if there were no laws on what to do with the people with guns, the ban wouldn't make sense. THAT's what they're doing now. NRA4FR -Shawn
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 1:19:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MagiKid: The pamphlet mentions they're only meeting to discuss the "ILLEGAL" trade in small arms. LOL... That leaves two possibilites.. #1) Whose definition of "illegal" are they using? Austrailia's?
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These UN guys are full of bull $hit. For example: declare that all unreg'd guns as illegal, any firearm that can hold more than 5 or more rounds, any pistol, or by dimension or size, by caliber(i.e. 50BMG), is that caliber used the by any of the world's army, etc. the possibilities are endless.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 1:30:11 PM EDT
We should e-mail the U.N. a link to this thread.
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 1:32:19 PM EDT
We should e-mail the U.N. a link to this thread. Here is what I think of them [-!-]
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 1:56:30 PM EDT
[b]They are afraid... and with good reason[/b] [img]http://highdesertmilitia.homestead.com/files/Trophy.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/6/2001 7:01:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/6/2001 6:59:08 PM EDT by ar15sniper]
What they have to worry about is the people that are not saying anything to them. Those are the true people they should be worried about. Why does the world have to go around and around back to the same bull shit? Look at history every time a civilization took freedom away from the people it crumbled into a waist land. We have minds of our own, we are not programable computers that do what every they say! There will always be free will in this country to do what we want. That is why we are not English! [sniper]
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