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Link Posted: 6/28/2014 6:00:21 PM EDT
I like this thread.



One of my collecting interests are less well known pistols. Especially 9mm.

















Link Posted: 6/28/2014 6:05:17 PM EDT
My buddy was in the bag for the BDM.

It was actually a decent pistol if you like DAO autos.

I had a couple of the Star Firestars. Fun and well made but 8 shot 9mm boat anchors. (iirc there was a .40, too)
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 6:05:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 6:06:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brass:


I'd have thought there would have been more success with Bren Ten due to Miami Vice marketing.
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The Bren Ten was the original "vaporware" gun. It was heavily advertised, prepayments were made, and delivery dates missed. They were finally able to get the pistol produced, but not able to make enough magazines for the pistol. It turned into a major cluster flock and the bad publicity turned people off.
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 6:07:50 PM EDT
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What the fuck is that?

Also, the Astra A70 isn't a terrible gun.
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 6:08:44 PM EDT
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Ah the Grendel. Wasn't that a top load .22 mag with an insane mag capacity?
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 6:15:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ken_mays:


Laseraim. Kind of a POS with a AMT build quality and feel.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/kemays/4823b1661fae70571857fc173bdcfb11_zpse1a81dde.jpg

There was a Forty Nine that sat in my LGS for years. I almost talked myself into it once or twice, but the trigger made the P250 seem like target grade butter. They finally marked it down low enough that some poor bastard took it home.
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
I recall a stainless semi auto that looked like a cross between a Sig and a CZ. Had "Laser" in the name. Can't damn remember it for the life of me.


Laseraim. Kind of a POS with a AMT build quality and feel.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/kemays/4823b1661fae70571857fc173bdcfb11_zpse1a81dde.jpg

There was a Forty Nine that sat in my LGS for years. I almost talked myself into it once or twice, but the trigger made the P250 seem like target grade butter. They finally marked it down low enough that some poor bastard took it home.
That's the gun! We had one sitting under the glass at our shop for a LONG TIME. I honestly don't remember what we did with it.
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 6:16:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By substandard:

Ah the Grendel. Wasn't that a top load .22 mag with an insane mag capacity?
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Originally Posted By substandard:

Ah the Grendel. Wasn't that a top load .22 mag with an insane mag capacity?

That took a magazine (22mag x 30)

The Grendel P10 380 was fed by stripper clips
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 6:22:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/28/2014 6:23:31 PM EDT by badkarmaiii]
Some I've owned:

-HK P7M8
-S&W 1026 NMS
-Steyr M9
-Detonics Combat Master MkVI

Probably others I can't remember...

-S&W Sigma 357 SIG
-S&W Sigma 9mm with grey frame
-HK USP 45

-Lee
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 6:51:20 PM EDT
Any love for the TEC-9?
Used to own a similar gun, the AA Arms/Kimel AP-9. Shot the bejesus out of it until something the plastic lower receiver broke. Sent it away to the mfg to have it fixed, they replaced the lower. Thinking if this happened again and if they went out of business I'd be screwed. So I sold it. They went out of business
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Link Posted: 6/28/2014 7:24:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ILoveGauge:
Needs moar H&K VP70Z -

http://i57.tinypic.com/1fgv45.jpg
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As a select-fire machine pistol, it was awesome.

As a semi-auto wonder-nine, it was, "meh."
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 7:46:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:

That took a magazine (22mag x 30)

The Grendel P10 380 was fed by stripper clips
http://jtjersey.com/Grendel/P10RtSide3.JPG
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Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:
Originally Posted By substandard:

Ah the Grendel. Wasn't that a top load .22 mag with an insane mag capacity?

That took a magazine (22mag x 30)

The Grendel P10 380 was fed by stripper clips
http://jtjersey.com/Grendel/P10RtSide3.JPG



I always wanted a Grendel P-30, but the mags were hard to find and expensive as hell. I had a Grendel P-12, but it was a world class POS and I couldn't sell it quick enough.

My favorite Grendel was my SRT-26 rifle in .308. After I sold it, one of my buddies who was a Grendel SRT collector, figured out mine was the last one to come off the production line.
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 8:16:06 PM EDT
I have a Browning BDM. I absolutely love it.

The Klinton AWB killed it with the magazine restriction....
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 8:23:05 PM EDT
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The CZ 100 was CZ's first and, admittedly FAILED attempt at a polymer pistol. Allegedly the triggers were HORRIBLE and not capable of repair.
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 8:24:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BoltFan:


I had a couple of P88s the receiver/frame cracked on both. New frame from Earl's was 3/4 of the price of the pistol.
Also had a P5 compact 1/4 inch shorter barrel and a push button mag release instead of the European grip heel release. Too valuable to use as an EDC so I traded out for a G26.
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Originally Posted By desertmoon:
Originally Posted By runcible:
Originally Posted By anothergene:
I had a Walther P-88, it was OK, creepy trigger though.
That is one of those guns that I want, and I can't even tell you why.
Remember the P5?


I had a couple of P88s the receiver/frame cracked on both. New frame from Earl's was 3/4 of the price of the pistol.
Also had a P5 compact 1/4 inch shorter barrel and a push button mag release instead of the European grip heel release. Too valuable to use as an EDC so I traded out for a G26.



How is the accuracy of the P88? Allegedly the FULL SIZE gun was phenomenal as far as accuracy.
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 8:36:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I have a Browning BDM. I absolutely love it.

The Klinton AWB killed it with the magazine restriction....
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It is a great size and the ergos were good. They should have built them to use HP mags. The backwards safety was derpish and the DA pull is long and clunky. A few years ago I made up my mind to get one if I saw it cheap, and finally had the chance.

Link Posted: 6/28/2014 9:19:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Number0neGun:


What the fuck is that?

Also, the Astra A70 isn't a terrible gun.
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Originally Posted By Number0neGun:


What the fuck is that?

Also, the Astra A70 isn't a terrible gun.


Like I said earlier, the A70 should have been a lot better received than it was. I had one in .40 for awhile, and even used it as a carry gun from time-to-time. But, then, I fell in love with a Para-Ordnance Para-Companion C7/45 LDA, a love affair which lasted but a few years, until I discovered the Glock 19.
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 9:45:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Abakan:


Did they actually made one that did work?
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Did they actually made one that did work?


They never exactly had a good reputation. IIRC there were three parker pistols being made at the same time by three different manufacturers... and none took off.

The story of the company and how it was formed is rather interesting. One of those "so-and-so worked for company A, left it, formed company B, shitstorm ensued".
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 5:59:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ILoveGauge:
Needs moar H&K VP70Z -

http://i57.tinypic.com/1fgv45.jpg
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Needs more H&K P7, what a massive POS:



Or worse, the H&K P7M13:



Link Posted: 6/29/2014 7:06:38 AM EDT
Arcadia Machine & Tool (AMT) had several pistols. The Automag series that looked like modified 1911s. Chambered in .22mag, .30 carbine, and .50AE, The ones I have seen varied from fairly nice to looking like they were sand cast in a litter box.

Then AMT had the Lightning series of pistols and rifles. The pistol was a copy of the Ruger MKI and the rifle was a 10/22 copy. AMT then went out of business.

Ram-Line made a polymer framed pistol that looked like a bastard child of the Ruger MKI. I have never seen one in real life.

Also got t add the .45 Win Mag and 9mm Win Mag to the list of cartridges that failed.
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 7:14:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By substandard:
Arcadia Machine & Tool (AMT) had several pistols. The Automag series that looked like modified 1911s. Chambered in .22mag, .30 carbine, and .50AE, The ones I have seen varied from fairly nice to looking like they were sand cast in a litter box.

Then AMT had the Lightning series of pistols and rifles. The pistol was a copy of the Ruger MKI and the rifle was a 10/22 copy. AMT then went out of business.

Ram-Line made a polymer framed pistol that looked like a bastard child of the Ruger MKI. I have never seen one in real life.

Also got t add the .45 Win Mag and 9mm Win Mag to the list of cartridges that failed.
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Had a AMT Hardballer and Javelina; they were utter pieces of shit. Wish I'd of kept the Javelina though, 7" 10mm longslide 1911 was pretty outrageous. Bet I couldve got it working decently, knowing what I know now.
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 7:28:58 AM EDT
Benelli B-series handguns. Lever delayed blowback. B-76 pictured. They kind of died out in the '80's. Low capacity, high priced and apparent complexity killed them.





The lever lock.


Internals are all chromed or stainless.
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 8:00:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BB:
]Had a AMT Hardballer and Javelina; they were utter pieces of shit. Wish I'd of kept the Javelina though, 7" 10mm longslide 1911 was pretty outrageous. Bet I couldve got it working decently, knowing what I know now.
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Had an AMT Hardballer and it was complete garbage. The only thing it did well was look pretty and sit in the safe because it would not run.
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 8:10:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Merlin:


Needs more H&K P7, what a massive POS:

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Or worse, the H&K P7M13:

http://www.hkpro.com/p7m10slimstill.jpg
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Originally Posted By Merlin:
Originally Posted By ILoveGauge:
Needs moar H&K VP70Z -

http://i57.tinypic.com/1fgv45.jpg


Needs more H&K P7, what a massive POS:

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Or worse, the H&K P7M13:

http://www.hkpro.com/p7m10slimstill.jpg




What an incredibly moronic statement...............................
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 8:14:01 AM EDT
Star made some nice ones...........gave a Model B to a friend who still has it for the house gun.

Does Radom still make pistols?
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 8:19:13 AM EDT
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Star had some great pistols
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I've got a Model 30......all steel....nicely made!!!
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 8:32:42 AM EDT
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Star made some nice ones...........gave a Model B to a friend who still has it for the house gun.

Does Radom still make pistols?
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Link Posted: 6/29/2014 8:33:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RDak:
Star made some nice ones...........gave a Model B to a friend who still has it for the house gun.

Does Radom still make pistols?
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Ah..........a Makarov type of pistol in 9mm.

Cool...........thanks for the info.
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 8:47:19 AM EDT
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Ah..........a Makarov type of pistol in 9mm.

Cool...........thanks for the info.
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Star made some nice ones...........gave a Model B to a friend who still has it for the house gun.

Does Radom still make pistols?
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Ah..........a Makarov type of pistol in 9mm.

Cool...........thanks for the info.
No, the MAG-98 has a Browning type action.



The Polish service pistol of the 1980s and 90s, the P-83 Wanad, has a Makarov action.



Link Posted: 6/29/2014 8:48:02 AM EDT
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No, the MAG-98 has a Browning type action.

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The Polish service pistol of the 1980s and 90s, the P-83 Wanad, has a Makarov action.




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Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Originally Posted By RDak:
Star made some nice ones...........gave a Model B to a friend who still has it for the house gun.

Does Radom still make pistols?
<a href="http://s206.photobucket.com/user/sherrick13/media/imagejpg1_zps2a22315f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb171/sherrick13/imagejpg1_zps2a22315f.jpg</a>

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Ah..........a Makarov type of pistol in 9mm.

Cool...........thanks for the info.
No, the MAG-98 has a Browning type action.

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The Polish service pistol of the 1980s and 90s, the P-83 Wanad, has a Makarov action.




<a href="http://s206.photobucket.com/user/sherrick13/media/imagejpg2_zps0c1ecd7d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb171/sherrick13/imagejpg2_zps0c1ecd7d.jpg</a>


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You are right.

Thanks for the info.
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 8:52:30 AM EDT
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You are right.

Thanks for the info.
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Originally Posted By RDak:
Star made some nice ones...........gave a Model B to a friend who still has it for the house gun.

Does Radom still make pistols?
<a href="http://s206.photobucket.com/user/sherrick13/media/imagejpg1_zps2a22315f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb171/sherrick13/imagejpg1_zps2a22315f.jpg</a>

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Ah..........a Makarov type of pistol in 9mm.

Cool...........thanks for the info.
No, the MAG-98 has a Browning type action.

<a href="http://s206.photobucket.com/user/sherrick13/media/imagejpg1_zps618aac95.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb171/sherrick13/imagejpg1_zps618aac95.jpg</a>




The Polish service pistol of the 1980s and 90s, the P-83 Wanad, has a Makarov action.




<a href="http://s206.photobucket.com/user/sherrick13/media/imagejpg2_zps0c1ecd7d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb171/sherrick13/imagejpg2_zps0c1ecd7d.jpg</a>


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You are right.

Thanks for the info.
I like wired pistols, provided they were used in .gov service somewhere.
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 9:07:28 AM EDT
I can't help but notice how similar the FN Forty-Nine is to S&W's M&P line...
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 9:08:55 AM EDT
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What an incredibly moronic statement...............................
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Needs moar H&K VP70Z -

http://i57.tinypic.com/1fgv45.jpg


Needs more H&K P7, what a massive POS:

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Or worse, the H&K P7M13:

http://www.hkpro.com/p7m10slimstill.jpg




What an incredibly moronic statement...............................


That may have been sarcasm. I may be biased as my P7M13 is neat.
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Originally Posted By thirsty:
Benelli B-series handguns. Lever delayed blowback. B-76 pictured. They kind of died out in the '80's. Low capacity, high priced and apparent complexity killed them.

http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=65840

http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=65839

The lever lock.
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=65841

Internals are all chromed or stainless.
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=65842
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Benelli always came up with crazy designs.
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Colt Double Eagle is fugly
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The only gun I have never regreted selling.
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Originally Posted By Capt_Rhodes:
http://www.imfdb.org/images/2/2e/CalicoM950.jpg

Calico M950
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I saw one of those in a science fiction series recently. The character using it dropped it and several other nice guns during a fighting retreat. She went back to look for them and said, "do you have any idea how valuable those were? That calico pistol alone was extremely rare."

I would have figured that it would have been the last one left in the universe. They are pretty rare now. I don't think I have ever seen one in person, though I have handled the rifle version. One wacky gun.
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Benelli always came up with crazy designs.
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For all of its drawbacks, the B76 is a pretty well crafted and reliable pistol. Fixed barrel for accuracy. Simply introduced too late when Glock was gaining a foothold in the market. About 15,000 examples out there, B76 in 9x19, B77 in .32ACP and B80 in .30 Luger, among rarer variants like the B82 in 9x18 Ultra, etc. Production ceased in 1990.
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AMT Backup
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had a star ultrastar I got dirt cheap 20 years ago while living in kali,
but there was only one guy in the country that had parts;
mags wern't cheap either, and for the size & only 7 round cap. seemed
like a waste of space.

the guy that had the parts in Ten. said the take down pin would fall out
on it's own; it ran good, but sold it & never looked back.

the two 9m's i regret selling were a Smith M-59 & a canidian browning

I think that Star got me to stop buying stuff that had limited replacement parts.
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 1:26:28 PM EDT
Had a P-88 20 years ago. It was a wee bit bulky, but I shot it better than any other handgun before or since. Well enough to put eyes, a smile, and earrings on a standard silhouette target @ 15yds . It wasn't just that it shot good groups, it was that I hit what I wanted to with it. My eyes were better then, but there was something special about that particular piece, because I'm generally pretty mediocre with a handgun.

The remorse over that episode, and same situation with a 3" Model 624, led to my current "never sell any guns that shoot straight" policy.

Got the damned thing lightly used for about $300 under what they were going for at the time.

Fuck.
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Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:

That took a magazine (22mag x 30)

The Grendel P10 380 was fed by stripper clips
http://jtjersey.com/Grendel/P10RtSide3.JPG
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Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:
Originally Posted By substandard:

Ah the Grendel. Wasn't that a top load .22 mag with an insane mag capacity?

That took a magazine (22mag x 30)

The Grendel P10 380 was fed by stripper clips
http://jtjersey.com/Grendel/P10RtSide3.JPG


I had one of those POS.

Also had an Astra A80 which was a damn good pistol, if you like da/sa autos.10 shot .45. Dad took a liking to it so I sold it to him for what I had in it. 225, iirc. He turned around and sold it to his friend for 400 bucks.
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What an incredibly moronic statement...............................
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Originally Posted By Merlin:
Originally Posted By ILoveGauge:
Needs moar H&K VP70Z -

http://i57.tinypic.com/1fgv45.jpg


Needs more H&K P7, what a massive POS:

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Or worse, the H&K P7M13:

http://www.hkpro.com/p7m10slimstill.jpg




What an incredibly moronic statement...............................


And what did the market place say about either one of them. Oh, that's right, neither one of them is made anymore - haven't for years, if not decades.

I owned a P7M8 for a couple of years, it was a massive POS.

Let's see if we can count the ways:

- Mag thumb release manufactured by the same razor factory that makes Nissan auto parts (this is a semi-joke - ever worked on a Nissan in the engine bay? Anything more than changing the oil and you're getting cut up)
- So-called "heat shield" wasn't; after +2-3 mags, you better have welding gloves on (slight exaggeration, but not by much)
- Could only shoot jacketed bullets, although plated would also work; supposedly no bare lead bullets due to the gas system. Even though I did and never had any problems
- I have big hands and the M8 felt like holding a rounded 2x4. The M13 was even worse.


So, yea, the H&K P7 = massive POS. Deal with it.

Link Posted: 6/29/2014 2:20:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:

That took a magazine (22mag x 30)

The Grendel P10 380 was fed by stripper clips
http://jtjersey.com/Grendel/P10RtSide3.JPG
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Originally Posted By Joe_Pennsy:
Originally Posted By substandard:

Ah the Grendel. Wasn't that a top load .22 mag with an insane mag capacity?

That took a magazine (22mag x 30)

The Grendel P10 380 was fed by stripper clips
http://jtjersey.com/Grendel/P10RtSide3.JPG



I had a P-10 and it was nice for what it was. Sold it to the chief of police in the next town over. It all he carried for years.

Colt Peacekeeper anyone?



Link Posted: 6/29/2014 2:22:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2014 2:23:24 PM EDT by BobCole]
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Originally Posted By Merlin:

And what did the market place say about either one of them. Oh, that's right, neither one of them is made anymore - haven't for years, if not decades.
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Originally Posted By Merlin:

And what did the market place say about either one of them. Oh, that's right, neither one of them is made anymore - haven't for years, if not decades.



Which has/had NOTHING to do with their sales numbers. In fact, they go for well over their last retail prices these days on Gunbroker. An unfilred P7M13 will usually bring close to $3,000. Not "ask", SELL for.

H&K dropped these models due to ever increasing production costs when compared to their newer USP line. H&K decided no one would pay $1,000 for a single stack 9mm, no matter how accurate it was/is.

I owned a P7M8 for a couple of years, it was a massive POS.

Let's see if we can count the ways:

- Mag thumb release manufactured by the same razor factory that makes Nissan auto parts (this is a semi-joke - ever worked on a Nissan in the engine bay? Anything more than changing the oil and you're getting cut up)

- So-called "heat shield" wasn't; after +2-3 mags, you better have welding gloves on (slight exaggeration, but not by much)


I have & carry this model. Never, EVER had a single issue with a sharp mag release. Never.

Never had any issues with heat. Nor did I try to simulate making it shoot on a full auto cycle rate, which might explain the lack of heat on mine.


- Could only shoot jacketed bullets, although plated would also work; supposedly no bare lead bullets due to the gas system. Even though I did and never had any problems


Fail to see how this is an issue. Glock says not to shoot lead, the USP models say to not shoot lead & most folks know not to shoot LSWC out of a .357mag. Not to mention the amount of ammo offerings in 9mm that are LRN are quite slim.

- I have big hands and the M8 felt like holding a rounded 2x4. The M13 was even worse.


I have large hands as well. I wear 2XL or 3XL gloves & have never had an issue with shooting a P7 series model.


So, yea, the H&K P7 = massive POS. Deal with it.


Just because YOU think a model sucks doesn't make it so. There's a HUGE following for the P7 series as well as the HIGH resale value on these models. Argue all you want, empirical evidence shows how WRONG you are on the P7 series. Get over yourself.
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 3:52:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2014 3:56:33 PM EDT by Merlin]
Bob Cole isn't entirely wrong (although "incredibly moronic" may be a little too strong), I found out that the H&K P7 had been in production for 25 years and until 2007, far longer than I would have predicted/known/ and/or knew.

So, he's right, while I think the P7 is a POS, it probably doesn't belong in this list of handgun rejects list.

I'll give you that.



However, I still think the P7 I had was a massive POS for the reasons I gave earlier. But the history shows that that's a personal view. So be it.





ETA: Aw shit, just realized he was quoting me in the post above. Oh well, it was it is.
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Originally Posted By ken_mays:


It is a great size and the ergos were good. They should have built them to use HP mags. The backwards safety was derpish and the DA pull is long and clunky. A few years ago I made up my mind to get one if I saw it cheap, and finally had the chance.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/kemays/jameson_zps97d17949.jpg
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Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I have a Browning BDM. I absolutely love it.

The Klinton AWB killed it with the magazine restriction....


It is a great size and the ergos were good. They should have built them to use HP mags. The backwards safety was derpish and the DA pull is long and clunky. A few years ago I made up my mind to get one if I saw it cheap, and finally had the chance.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff35/kemays/jameson_zps97d17949.jpg
Is yours dao mine had a switch you could turn and it would work as da/sa or dao
Link Posted: 6/29/2014 5:13:12 PM EDT
I damn near bought a BDM in 1992ish.
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