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Posted: 12/19/2016 6:30:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2016 6:30:36 PM EST by DV8]
trying to decide which to get a mod19 or 23 any thoughts? iwp carry
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:43:56 AM EST
When the .40" came out in the early '90's, it was THE answer. More capacity than .45", much better terminal ballistics than the 9x19mm rounds of the day. Bullets have improved in 9x19mm over the last 25 years, and now meet the FBI protocol w/ less recoil, less flash, higher capacity, and lower practice cost.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:51:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/18/2016 11:56:06 AM EST by Grendelsbane]
9.

And IBMJBT.

Edit- ok, not GD. Longer answer- if you aren't bothered by the recoil at all, .40 does offer a very marginal improvement in terminal performance. Ammo is more expensive than 9mm, but guns are slightly cheaper right now as demand is higher for 9mm guns.

Me- I shoot the 9mm better, and appreciate the lower cost of the ammo. I say, get 9.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:55:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/18/2016 2:41:21 PM EST by MP0117]
Go price 9mm plinking ammo versus .40Cal plinking ammo and report back.

.40 Cal was hype/bullshit when it was introduced.

Still is.

When my LEO buddies want to try to keep up with me on speed/accuracy drills, they swap out their issued fo-tays for 9s. And they also carry the 9mm off duty.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 12:11:44 PM EST
I've done 9mm, .40, and .45 and think 9mm with HST is just perfect
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 12:39:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MP0117:
Go price 9mm plinking ammo versus .40Cal plinking ammo and report back.

.40 Cal was hype/bullshit when it was introduced.

Still is.

When my LEO buddies want to try to keep up with me on speed/accuracy drills, they swap out their issued of-tays for 9s. And they also carry the 9mm off duty.
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.40 did fill a niche for many years. At the time it did what none of the other service calibers could, defeat auto glass and meet minimum penetration standard. Regardless of hype, .40 does offer something. I still think they missed the boat by not loading heavier and slower, 200grn at 850-900fps.

OP, I vote 19 also, quick on target, more rounds, cheap practice.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:00:27 PM EST
If you aren't already invested in 40sw go with 9mm.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:20:28 PM EST
This is arfcom the answer is always Glock 19. But I would also consider the Glock 17.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:42:24 PM EST
Agree.

17 is better than 19.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 5:36:50 PM EST
why not to get 40 and conversion barrel to 9?
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 5:38:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MP0117:
Agree.

17 is better than 19.
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Yup. I've owned Glocks since 2003 and Just got my first doublestack 9mm. A Talo Gen4 17. Absolutely love it.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 5:45:29 PM EST
Honestly, see what you shoot and like better.

I have a 17, 19, and a 27.

I shoot my 17 the best.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 5:52:09 PM EST
I was hardcore .40 until last year. Now I'm 9mm.

So, get the G19.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:05:45 PM EST
9mm
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:12:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By redram99:
trying to decide which to get a mod19 or 23 any thoughts? iwp carry
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The answer is easy, get the M19. 9mm ammo is $9.50 per 100 on sale when purchased in bulk. It doesn't kick. It has greater capacity. The exact same size as the M23 so if you ever want a .40 your holster will fit.

Buy night sights, either straight from Glock or aftermarket, it doesn't matter. The original plastic sights scream CHEAP.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:14:06 PM EST
Walther PPQ M1 or M2 is the choice you should be making.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:18:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Jupiter7:


.40 did fill a niche for many years. At the time it did what none of the other service calibers could, defeat auto glass and meet minimum penetration standard. Regardless of hype, .40 does offer something. I still think they missed the boat by not loading heavier and slower, 200grn at 850-900fps.

OP, I vote 19 also, quick on target, more rounds, cheap practice.
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I use 5.5 grains of Power Pistol with Hornady's 200 grain fmj bullet. Velocity is 860 fps with excellent accuracy. The only reason I used these bullets is that I was gifted several thousand once fired cases at the height of the 2008/2009 buying panic and the 180 grain bullets were impossible to find. It ended up being a pleasant surprise, instead of a stop gap emergency solution they became a standard load for me.

Kind of reminds me of the .45acp, except they have a higher sectional density (deeper penetration).
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:28:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
When the .40" came out in the early '90's, it was THE answer. More capacity than .45", much better terminal ballistics than the 9x19mm rounds of the day. Bullets have improved in 9x19mm over the last 25 years, and now meet the FBI protocol w/ less recoil, less flash, higher capacity, and lower practice cost.
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This
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 6:57:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SVarog72:
why not to get 40 and conversion barrel to 9?
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That is how my G22 is set up.
.40 was always available, that was the reason I did it.
I had a choice to run what was on the shelf

.40 can do 9, but not the other way around.
And the giveaway prices of some .40's allow you to get ...
The conversion barrel, and a mag; plus the host gun for the about same $$$

I prefer 9, cause I liked it from my SMG days
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 7:49:39 PM EST
I would get the 40 and a conversion barrel.

Apparently the bullet technology that has advanced the 9mm so much doesn't apply to the 40.

9mm is the fad, for now.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 8:37:11 PM EST
Have a couple 19's. Gave one to my son when he made Captain in the Army. Great guns that carry well and are easy to shoot well. Love the .40 in my .22's. Never cared for the .23.

See if you can rent the two and see which one you like best.

Link Posted: 12/18/2016 8:47:10 PM EST
19 of course, but I got both......and love each of them.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 8:49:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SVarog72:
why not to get 40 and conversion barrel to 9?
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First post & good damn idea.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 8:52:35 PM EST
I use my G19 pretty much exclusively now. If you're not already into .40 with ammo stacked up I'd go 9mm.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 8:57:32 PM EST

40 made a lot more sense when we had the mag ban.  If you can only carry 10 rounds, carry the biggest 10 you can get.  I don't know the extend to which your freedom has been stolen in CT, but I suspect there's mag capacity limits.

Contrary to what Arfcom believes, the "better bullet design" that has improved 9mm has also been applied to 40 and 45.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 9:28:43 PM EST
I've been shooting .40 S&W for 20 years and enjoy it. However, I still prefer plinking with 9mm.

I've also carried both calibers for self-defense and feel comfortable with either given the right load.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 9:36:14 PM EST
9mm for sure!!! 40S&W sucks!!! I hate that caliber so much, haha. Now 10mm, that's something I can get behind ;) And of course classic 45acp is a great handgun caliber if you want to go larger. All my pistols are pretty much 9mm and 45acp. I have a 45 Super 1911 setup as well if I want something will a little more kick. But don't get me wrong it'll all get the job done. I think most prefer 9mm and 45acp though and for good reason. 
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 9:39:33 PM EST
9mm, thus the Glock 19.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 9:40:31 PM EST
I prefer the 19 over the 23

Get what you like, they are both excellent choices really.

Link Posted: 12/18/2016 10:13:13 PM EST
Hi!

Good question.

What is your purpose for this purchase, and what is your physical and skill level?

For me -

I've carried a gun as a job requirement pretty much every day since 1988. Now I teach others occasionally how to do it. I study a *lot* more than I explain.

First, you can't go wrong with almost any Glock pick.

I started with .357 magnum (revolver), then 9mm semi, then .40 as soon as it came out, and about 1 JAN 2017, I will be back to 9mm.


For me, the added controllability of the 9 coupled with a lot of positive real world results with current ammunition makes it a more reasonable choice for me than the .40.

If you have a bigger upper body, good arm strength, and the time and ability to practice to stay current, I still recommend .40. But in my research, it's not a head and shoulders margin above 9mm, and neither 9 nor 40 are a huge step behind .45 anymore.

All pistols are a compromise.But we are a long way from troops getting shit performance overseas with sandy beretta 92's loaded with ball.

Now, I've always carried a full size at work, and a subcompact as a backup or when I just didn't want to screw with it off duty. I am toying with a 19 this time around. Again, lots of compromise in a system full of compromise. I don't think I lose enough between the 17 down to the 19 to warrant a 17. For me, time will tell.

I did a shitty job of concealing a 22 with a firearm mounted light; I'm sure I'll do a teeny bit better with the 19 and light. lol

Long story short, I don't think the 40 is bad. If you can handle it. I choose to run 9 and accept a different set of compromises.

Link Posted: 12/19/2016 12:15:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 07AMF: I would get the 40 and a conversion barrel.

Apparently the bullet technology that has advanced the 9mm so much doesn't apply to the 40.


9mm is the fad, for now.
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No, the .40" will always expand larger on average than a 9x19mm, and on average will be heavier, and can be expected to penetrate more deeply.

But in the '90's, 9x19mm couldn't be counted on to expand reliably & penetrate @ least 12" - .40" could. Today, 9x19mm meets the FBI protocols for less cost, less recoil, etc, etc. Sure, .40" has gotten better - but it was already good enough when it started.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 12:40:33 AM EST
Shoot them both and see what you like best. I have both, but if were to choose one, it would be the 19, for the reasons already enumerated here. In contrast to a rifle round which has a blast cavity that will cause damage to adjacent tissue, handgun rounds have to do their work by hitting something of critical importance, like vasculature or CNS, so shot placement is worth more to me than bullet diameter. Yeah, 40 will expand a little larger than 9, but for me, that tiny bit of increased expansion isn't worth it. Take a look at some of the studies of expansion to pick a good defensive round that expands nicely. In the end, it's your gun not mine. You've got to be comfortable carrying and shooting it.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 1:04:10 AM EST
Avoid .40 like the plague. I regret ever purchasing my 22 and 27 and would sell them both if 1) the market wasn't flooded with used .40s pushing prices down and 2) the 22 didn't have sentimental value. They're a package deal, so either keeping both or selling both. Right now it's keep.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 6:09:46 AM EST
For carry primarily, id go 19 all day. I love mine (3 now) and carry one daily.


Until earlier this year I was all hardcore 9mm and 40s are stupid. I had been wanting a gen4 17 and ran across a "used" gen4 22 at a fantastic price locally so I scooped it up with plans for the 9mm conversion barrel. Well, more than 6 months later its still a .40 and ive really grown to enjoy it. I put some FO sights on it and its a tack driver, plan to keep it just like it is. I still don't carry it because the grip is a little harder to conceal, but I really like shooting it at the range.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:05:44 AM EST
9mm. Bought a 23 a while back to compliment my 19. Shot it twice. Will be selling it soon.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:10:30 AM EST
Handgun rounds are all about multiple hits. 9mm all the way.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:26:11 AM EST
Would never ever, ever, ever give up my 19 for anything else.

I've owned a 40 and will never go back to it. 9mm or 45acp only IMO
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 9:32:33 AM EST
I like 40 S&W, I shoot it in my 10mm Auto all the time.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 12:45:16 PM EST
40. Buy the parts to convert to 9mm and 357SIG.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 4:50:00 PM EST
Haha, get out of here with that crap.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 4:52:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 07AMF:

9mm is the fad, for now.
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Truer words have never been spoken. FBI decides one day that they want more limp wristed agents to qualify easier, so they justify a switch to 9mm and the entire gun world jumps on board.

I will keep my .40s and you should too. The current market craze is pushing the prices of .40 guns, mags and ammo farther down every day.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 4:54:46 PM EST
I love the guys who hate on the .40 while preaching 9mm is best but still seem to find a way to support and justify 45 Auto.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 4:57:54 PM EST
glock 40

no kick, easily concealable, cheap ammo.



jk glock 19 is always the answer.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 5:04:49 PM EST
One of the things that propped up the 40 in the 90s for us civies was the assault weapons ban. If you could only have 10 rounds which would you want, a lot said 10 of the bigger bullets. I have 2 40 cal pistols a Beretta 96 and a glock 23. The glock is my primary carry piece, because I have it and like the size. I shoot my 34 better but not a lot better. I also have a glock 17 and 34 but usually don't carry them due to the size.

If starting fresh from no pistols today I would but only 9mm and make sure I bought and carried the good 124 or 147 gr defensive ammo.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 6:08:15 PM EST
Fact of the matter is, no one wants to be shot with either one.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 6:32:30 PM EST
My next handgun is a Glock 19.

I'll get a 23 if I find a cheap Leo trade in but first thing would be 9mm barrel and mags.

My .02.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 6:39:03 PM EST
They still make the .40?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 6:40:25 PM EST
I shoot both a lot. I prefer the 40 for defense. The same bullet advances still improve the 40
The 40 does penetrate a little better while making a bigger hole and with a little more kinetic zing. I shoot at my own range, and have compared penetration on many types of targets.
The 40 is subsonic in the standard 165 * 185gr loads and still very effective.
The biggest draw though is I hunt with my carry weapon and 40 is significantly better busting through ribs.

That said the 9mm is a good round, just never quite a 40
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 6:41:37 PM EST
I have 9, .40, and .45 ACP. After the FBI reports on 9mm, I figured I would get out of .40 S&W, but then ammo prices dropped.

I train with .40 S&W the most lately due to so many great deals on ammo. I have noticed big improvements in my shooting both in accuracy and times when I drop down to a 9mm, even on guns I don't shoot regularly.

It feels like cheating when I drop down to a 9mm, which is what I carry.

I especially like the feedback I get with .40 on steel plates in my courses.

I don't shoot .45 ACP much at all anymore though.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 6:44:15 PM EST
Why is this even a question, get the 9mm in 19.

Disclaimer: I own/like/shoot 40's
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 6:45:39 PM EST
Glock 19 and never look back.
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