
Posted: 10/9/2001 8:13:26 PM EDT
I was just pondering...why aren't there any "+P" loads for the .40S&W? We have +P 9mm, .38, .45, etc., but no damn +P .40's. Is it because of SAAMI specs, or might there someday be a "+P" .40S&W load? I know that this probably belongs in the "ammo" section, but throw me a fricken bone on a sleepless Tuesday night (actually Wed morning) at midnight.
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The best explenation I have heard is that their are 40's loaded over the standard pressure but there is not true +P rating as of yet. If I am remembering this correctly. [uzi]
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If you wanted .40 +P, you should have bought a 10mm. [:D]
God Bless Texas
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I preface this by stating that I am by no means an expert in this field (hey, that's never stopped me before [;)]); but my understanding is that the pressures generated by the .40 S&W are so high to begin with, that producing a "+P" load would be extremely dangerous.
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You really mean if I wanted a bulky piece of shit at just over.40 balistics, then I would have bought a 10mm- no thanks. It's a five pound turd in a ten pound bag. Plus, the ammo's expensive and not always available. Anyway...you can keep your 10mm and use it for a paperweight when ammo gets even more expensive for it.
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Nimrod is correct- there's no room for +P. Even if someone could manage it, they'd be blowing guns up like crazy. GodBlessTexas has the answer- if you feel the need for a .40 +P, go to a full-power 10mm.
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Nimrod is correct- there's no room for +P. Even if someone could manage it, they'd be blowing guns up like crazy. GodBlessTexas has the answer- if you feel the need for a .40 +P, go to a full-power 10mm.
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Originally Posted By GodBlessTexas:
If you wanted .40 +P, you should have bought a 10mm. [:D]
God Bless Texas View Quote |
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phở kobama
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I just purchased a Berretta Elite today .40S&W, I chose it over the 9mm and the .357 Magnum. I purchased 180Grain practice rounds for it. I think the .40S&W will serve me well. The ammo was extremely inexpensive, I also bought some 155gr JDHP Speer Gold Dot for home defense. I am sure that this will be also very acceptable.
In the current Issue of Guns&Weapons you can find the FBI's testing data for both Wound Value's from 9mm to .45ACP exempting the .44Magnum. The .40S&W did very well beating even the .357 Magnum using various rounds of various manufacture. But they seemed to land closely together. The .40S&W was Using 180 Grain Hydro Shock(federal) versus a 158 grain Federal JHP for the .357 Magnum.
Benjamin
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Whild technically not really +P, the loads from Cor-Bon are stoked to the absolute seam-bustin' maximum that the .40 S&W will safely go within SAAMI specifications. They average about 100-150 FPS faster than the loads from most other manufacturers who load slightly lower than true maximum for liability reasons. Fired cases show very flat primers and I changed my 4506 .45 ACP to an extra heavy spring because the Cor-bon loads showed firing pin 'skids' with the standard one. My HK USP40C and Beretta 92F showed no signs of excessive stress. Furthermore, the Cor-bon loads that I chronographed really do perform to, or surpass, the advertised specifications, a pleasant surprise in this day and age.
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Liberals: There are many copies, and they have a plan.
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becouse you would be pulling metal out of your forehead with whats left of your hands.
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Originally Posted By dissipator556:
You really mean if I wanted a bulky piece of shit at just over.40 balistics, then I would have bought a 10mm- no thanks. It's a five pound turd in a ten pound bag. View Quote Plus, the ammo's expensive and not always available. Anyway...you can keep your 10mm and use it for a paperweight when ammo gets even more expensive for it. View Quote |
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I see that they are fasing out the Elite and going to the Elite II, with a Brigadier Slide. Well Mine already has a Brigadier Slide.
So tell me, have I made a good purchase??
Benjamin
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Yes, I've read that the SAAMI specs for a .40 are the same as for a 9mm. The 357Sig though is designed for higher pressure like the 10mm is.
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Yeah, a .357Sig is designed to be a high pressure load. I keep putting more and more serious thought into picking one up. Ammo is kind of hard to find locally, but it seems like an impressive round. Maybe when I have the money to buy guns again.
God Bless Texas
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Originally Posted By Benjamin0001:
I see that they are fasing out the Elite and going to the Elite II, with a Brigadier Slide. Well Mine already has a Brigadier Slide.
So tell me, have I made a good purchase??
Benjamin
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phở kobama
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Thank You very much Bushmaster , I do appreciate this information very much.
Thank you thank you thank you.
Benjamin
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O-Tay!
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