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Posted: 3/21/2009 2:07:55 PM EDT
The reason that I ask is that I do not see it talked about much here and I just got my second .40. A FN Hi Power. The first one is a USP Compact in .40. The only handgun calber that Walmart had today was .40 cal. It seems to be much less in demand than 9mm and .45 cals. So why dont I see more about .40 cal here?
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:16:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2009 2:20:39 PM EDT by gribble]
Many people will knock the .40 because it is a straight case with no taper, making it inherently less reliable than a 9mm or .45 (both of which have a slight taper to the case, making feeding easier).

I just don't understand why anyone would want a pistol that wasn't .45 ACP!

ETA: I honestly think that with modern firearm designs it is pretty much a non-issue (unless you have a GlocKB of course).

Also, there are many people who would prefer to stick with military calibers.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:20:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gribble:
Many people will knock the .40 because it is a straight case with no taper, making it inherently less reliable than a 9mm or .45 (both of which have a slight taper to the case, making feeding easier).

I just don't understand why anyone would want a pistol that wasn't .45 ACP!


I have a .45 acp. I just have a hard time finding ammo for it though.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:22:48 PM EDT
I have 3 guns in .40, never had a malfunction in any of em. I like the .45 a lot, but I consider .40 a great compromise between 9mm and .45. More power than 9mm, more rounds than 45. More rounds is important to me, I don't shoot as great as I should
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:23:32 PM EDT
I shot my bdddy's Beretta 96, the 40S&W version of the 92, I zero mechanical problems. The problem with the 96 is that the recoil and muzzle flip(more quicker & sharper) is a bit more than the 45ACP guns that I've fired.

Approx how mch did you pay?
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:24:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2009 2:27:02 PM EDT by gribble]
Sorry, I was just being an ass.

There is nothing wrong with 9mm or .40 S&W...





except that they aren't .45 ACP

ETA: Warlord: Funny you should mention that. I have shot the 96 a couple times as well, and though there is definitely more recoil than on the 92, it seemed to me like it was smoother and less snappy than the 9mm. I guess it's all in perception.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:24:24 PM EDT
My first pistol was a .40. As such I will always have a liking for it. But I find it to be snappier than a 9mm, or even a .45ACP. I don't see a point to it. 9mm for me.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:24:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2009 2:25:00 PM EDT by sel366]
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Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:25:08 PM EDT
If you want to be competitive in USPSA Limited division you need to shoot .40S&W. It is the only way to get 20+ rds in a 140mm magazine and still make major power factor. Other than that I like .45 and 9mm.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:25:13 PM EDT
I have a compact baby desert eagle that I shoot IPSC with that is 40s&w. I like it and have no feeding problems its my favorite rimless caliber.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:25:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:26:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ZW17:
10mm FTW!

It's a .40 on steroids.


You have that wrong.

.40S&W is a 10mm on estrogen.

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:27:05 PM EDT



My XD 40 is flawless when decent ammo is put through it. My brother inlaw gave me several hundred rounds of wolf
ammo and a few of those did not feed right but what do you expect from wolf.

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:28:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ZW17:
10mm FTW!

It's a .40 on steroids.

THIS
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:28:06 PM EDT
I'm a fan.

Bigger than 9mm with equal or superior ballistics and cheaper/more mag capacity than a .45.

I carry it.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:37:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By warlord:
I shot my bdddy's Beretta 96, the 40S&W version of the 92, I zero mechanical problems. The problem with the 96 is that the recoil and muzzle flip(more quicker & sharper) is a bit more than the 45ACP guns that I've fired.

Approx how mch did you pay?
For the gun or the ammo? I got the gun in a trade for a old sistema. I paid 37.00 for 100 rds of.40.

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:41:57 PM EDT
I picked up .40S&W brass for a long time at the range. Took a defensive handgun class and got a buttload of it. Finally hit critical mass and reloaded it. I shoot it in a model 610. I might get a conversion barrel for my G20. It just came along after I already had .45ACP and 9mm. After adding 10mm, who needs it? Other than to use the brass I pick up.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:43:45 PM EDT
The 40 has very snappy recoil which sways some folks from using them, but they're a decent compromise between size and mag capacity. And right now they're one of the few calibers readily available at WalMart.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:43:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2009 2:52:17 PM EDT by Rosenrot]
Lets face it, the .40 was made for women police officers who could not handle the recoil of the .45

The question is, why buy a .40 when you can have a 10mm? I dont see the point of the .40 personally.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:48:54 PM EDT
I shoot .40 super & wicked in my competition gun

(.45 was too expensive a habit vs .40)

I'd carry a USP40c if I could afford one, Till then, it's the 1911
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:55:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Lets face it, the .40 was made for women police officers who could not handle the recoil of the .45

The question is, why buy a .40 when you can have a 10mm? I dont see the point of the .40 personally.


Let's face it. Everyone bitches about the "snappy" recoil of the 40 Smith. These are the same people who go to the .45 because the recoil is more "managble" and "slower."

So who exaclty are the females?

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:56:51 PM EDT
I like .40. Regardless of peoples "feelings", or machismo, it is a very efficient round, looking at balistic data, and it gives you a higher mag capacity than .45.

It isn't a fad, it isn't going away. More and more pistols are being made for the caliber, and more and more police departments are adopting it.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 2:58:11 PM EDT
I have a Glock 22 manufactured in February 1992. It just turned 17 years old. It has tens of thousands of rounds through it. Reloads, Lead reloads, premium stuff, wolf, WWB, etc etc. I can count on one hand how many times its malfunctioned. And I would credit all of those malfunctions to it being dirty. Couple 1000 + rds between cleanings will do that.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:00:21 PM EDT
What's not to like about the 40? The increased energy over the 9 or the increased capacity over the 45?
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:01:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2009 3:01:42 PM EDT by Skillshot]
40 sucks unless you just need to make limited major.

No, I would not want to get shot by it you jackasses.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:03:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Brian_h:
If you want to be competitive in USPSA Limited division you need to shoot .40S&W. It is the only way to get 20+ rds in a 140mm magazine and still make major power factor. Other than that I like .45 and 9mm.

The only reason I would own a .40 Short and Weak.

9mm and .45 for me.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:04:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Lets face it, the .40 was made for women police officers who could not handle the recoil of the .45





That must be it. Even though the .40 snaps harder than the .45.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:06:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Lets face it, the .40 was made for women police officers who could not handle the recoil of the .45

The question is, why buy a .40 when you can have a 10mm? I dont see the point of the .40 personally.

Let's actually not face that, as it's wrong. Most departments were using 9mm, and switched to .40 for additional stopping power, without limiting capacity.


Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:09:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ragedracer1977:
I have a Glock 22 manufactured in February 1992. It just turned 17 years old. It has tens of thousands of rounds through it. Reloads, Lead reloads, premium stuff, wolf, WWB, etc etc. I can count on one hand how many times its malfunctioned. And I would credit all of those malfunctions to it being dirty. Couple 1000 + rds between cleanings will do that.
My old now closed indoor range Santa Anita Firing range(Monrovia Calif, 5 miles east of Los Angeles) had a rental G17 that fired 500,000 rounds when the slide cracked, and was replaced. The gun fired >750,000 rds when the range closed. This is "official rounds" bought from the range, but customers often smuggle in ammo from Wall-mart etc. The counter help would clean the gun only when customer complain about "jamming." The cleaning consists of field strip, a quick dunk in the solvent tank, brushing the feed ramp and rails, compressed air blow dry, a drop of CLP on the rails and barrel hood, reassembly and back to the customer. All of this is done in <5 mins max.The range would even throw in a few extra rounds for the inconvience.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:10:55 PM EDT
I have a Kel-Tec P40 (actually a P11 with conversion) and even though it has more recoil than the 9mm counterpart, I still shoot better with the .40s&w
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:16:13 PM EDT
I love my USP Compact in .40, it is a great little pistol.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:19:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gribble:
Sorry, I was just being an ass.

There is nothing wrong with 9mm or .40 S&W...





except that they aren't .45 ACP

ETA: Warlord: Funny you should mention that. I have shot the 96 a couple times as well, and though there is definitely more recoil than on the 92, it seemed to me like it was smoother and less snappy than the 9mm. I guess it's all in perception.


And a .45 aint a 10mm!!!!
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:21:11 PM EDT
I'm just not a caliber purist. 9mm, .40S&W, .45ACP... all good by me.

I carry .40
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:21:16 PM EDT
I have five "forteys"

G22, G23, G27, USP 40C, and an S&W 4006.

Never had a problem with any of them.

And I still have all my fingers.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:22:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2009 3:23:11 PM EDT by dbmers]
Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Lets face it, the .40 was made for women police officers who could not handle the recoil of the .45

The question is, why buy a .40 when you can have a 10mm? I dont see the point of the .40 personally.


Negative...the .40 was developed for female FBI agents who couldnt handle the 10mm, so it was shortened to become the .40. Had the FBI adopted the 10mm then it would be as popular as the .40 is now.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:23:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja:
I have five "forteys"

G22, G23, G27, USP 40C, and an S&W 4006.

Never had a problem with any of them.

And I still have all my fingers.


How do you like the 4006? I want one something awful, keep hoping I'll find one locally but I guess I might have to resort to gunbroker or something
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:23:58 PM EDT
its short and wimpy



i dunno


i may get a 40 one day, but as a wise man once said:


its only been around 10 yars.


how hard will it be to find ammo for it in 20?


and how long has teh parabellum been aroudn?

the 45 auto?


thus my xdm9 and my new 30sf.

maybe someday ill get one, but ill stick with 9s and 45s


if shtf than i could buy 9mm anywhere, and 45s are pretty popular in other areas beside US


so there

my 2 cents
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:27:13 PM EDT
G23
G22
S&W 4006
Sig 229

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:27:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Deech:
its short and wimpy



i dunno


i may get a 40 one day, but as a wise man once said:


its only been around 10 yars.


how hard will it be to find ammo for it in 20?





and how long has teh parabellum been aroudn?

the 45 auto?


thus my xdm9 and my new 30sf.

maybe someday ill get one, but ill stick with 9s and 45s


if shtf than i could buy 9mm anywhere, and 45s are pretty popular in other areas beside US


so there

my 2 cents



The .40 has been around since 1990

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:30:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Lets face it, the .40 was made for women police officers who could not handle the recoil of the .45

The question is, why buy a .40 when you can have a 10mm? I dont see the point of the .40 personally.


QFT

Ironic that the .40 was a result of candy asses and women not being able to handle the awesomeness of the mighty 10mm.

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:32:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Maynard:

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Lets face it, the .40 was made for women police officers who could not handle the recoil of the .45

The question is, why buy a .40 when you can have a 10mm? I dont see the point of the .40 personally.


QFT

Ironic that the .40 was a result of candy asses and women not being able to handle the awesomeness of the mighty 10mm.



+1 I'm a not a big guy but I can handle my 10mm easily.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:35:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dbmers:
Originally Posted By Maynard:

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Lets face it, the .40 was made for women police officers who could not handle the recoil of the .45

The question is, why buy a .40 when you can have a 10mm? I dont see the point of the .40 personally.


QFT

Ironic that the .40 was a result of candy asses and women not being able to handle the awesomeness of the mighty 10mm.



+1 I'm a not a big guy but I can handle my 10mm easily.


ETA: If you get a Glock 10mm you can buy .40/.357 Sig barrels for it.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:36:01 PM EDT
I didn't mind .40 until I discovered something called 10mm
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:37:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2009 3:38:02 PM EDT by mattja]
Originally Posted By avenj:
Originally Posted By mattja:
I have five "forteys"

G22, G23, G27, USP 40C, and an S&W 4006.

Never had a problem with any of them.

And I still have all my fingers.


How do you like the 4006? I want one something awful, keep hoping I'll find one locally but I guess I might have to resort to gunbroker or something


They are a very nice gun. They feel substantial in the hand, are well made, and shoot quite easily.

The only complaints I have heard (and have myself), is the triggers can be creepy and the mags hold only 11 rounds. I have seen them for $300, which is a great deal.

ETA, I got mine in 1993. I paid $850 for a used one with night sights.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:41:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By VECTOR:
Originally Posted By warlord:
I shot my bdddy's Beretta 96, the 40S&W version of the 92, I zero mechanical problems. The problem with the 96 is that the recoil and muzzle flip(more quicker & sharper) is a bit more than the 45ACP guns that I've fired.

Approx how mch did you pay?
For the gun or the ammo? I got the gun in a trade for a old sistema. I paid 37.00 for 100 rds of.40.



I just picked up a 500rd case of Winchester 180gr FMJ for $159
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:46:44 PM EDT
I find it to be a fine compromise between 9 and 45. I like 40 a lot. I have several. Show me a more powerful pocket size gun than my Kahr PM40
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:53:42 PM EDT
my G22 is too snappy and it hurts my hands after about 50 rounds. i like shooting my 9mm and .45 a lot more.
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 3:58:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dbmers:
Originally Posted By Deech:
its short and wimpy



i dunno


i may get a 40 one day, but as a wise man once said:


its only been around 10 yars.


how hard will it be to find ammo for it in 20?





and how long has teh parabellum been aroudn?

the 45 auto?


thus my xdm9 and my new 30sf.

maybe someday ill get one, but ill stick with 9s and 45s


if shtf than i could buy 9mm anywhere, and 45s are pretty popular in other areas beside US


so there

my 2 cents



The .40 has been around since 1990






this wise man told me this in the year 2000
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 4:04:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AmericanInfidel:
I consider .40 a great compromise between 9mm and .45. Less power than 45acp, less rounds than 9mm.

It is truly the worst of both worlds.

Link Posted: 3/21/2009 4:05:40 PM EDT
Your Wally had .40 cal in stock !?
Link Posted: 3/21/2009 4:06:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Maynard:

Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Lets face it, the .40 was made for women police officers who could not handle the recoil of the .45

The question is, why buy a .40 when you can have a 10mm? I dont see the point of the .40 personally.


QFT

Ironic that the .40 was a result of candy asses and women not being able to handle the awesomeness of the mighty 10mm.



Good round for the Kel-Tec Sub2000, seeing as how its the only alternative to 9mm that they offer. Mine shoots like a dream.
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