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9/22/2017 12:11:25 AM
Posted: 9/4/2005 11:35:24 AM EDT
the sig really hasnt taken off as they have hoped it would ,seems redundant when theres the .40 in the same size/platform pistols. just my .02 as i was considering buying a .357 barrel for one of my .40 glocks.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 11:38:50 AM EDT
Aren't there a couple of police departments that adopted the Sig round? I've been debating on getting a glock in 357, but.....?
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 11:41:25 AM EDT
Doesn't seem like it's living up the hype. Velocity isn't much higher than a 9mm +P+ round, and it certainly doesn't come close to the .357 Mag, which was what it was originally advertised as.

I'm a .45 guy myself, but if I'm taking the hit on magazine capacity, I'll take a bigger bullet too. From what I read on it, it does recoil less than the .40 though.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 11:43:19 AM EDT
then theres the .45 gap that i think may have a better chance.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 11:52:09 AM EDT
9mm, .357SIG, 10mm, .40S&W, .45GAP, .45ACP

Nobody needs 4 intermideate calibers between 9mm and .45. Some are going to go the way of 10mm.

For my own sake I hope .40S&W survives the test of time, but that's mostly just because I'm personally invetsed in the matter.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 11:54:35 AM EDT
imo .40 S&W has not only survived but is thriving
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 11:54:49 AM EDT
Sectional Density.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 11:55:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2005 11:59:57 AM EDT by jvic]
At the time I bought my Glock, it was kind of hard to tell which would catch on, the .357 Sig or .40 S&W. At the time, .357 Sig seemed to have better ballistics than the .40 rounds that were available. I went with the .357 Sig because I liked the idea of .357 Magnum ballistics. I figured it was a low risk choice, as I could just switch out the barrel, which may be what I end up doing. Although I see Wal-Mart now carries .357 Sig ammo, which it didn't for the lonest time.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 11:56:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
9mm, .357SIG, 10mm, .40S&W, .45GAP, .45ACP

Nobody needs 4 intermideate calibers between 9mm and .45. Some are going to go the way of 10mm.

For my own sake I hope .40S&W survives the test of time, but that's mostly just because I'm personally invetsed in the matter.




I'm doing my absolute personal best to ensure the survival on the 10. Looking to get one this week or next.

I don't think with true 10mm loads, that's really an intermediate to either .45GAP or .45ACP, except in diameter only.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 12:22:52 PM EDT
why use 135 grain .40 when 180s are available? velocity accomplishes very little in the calibers we're discussing here.

the .357 Sig is pointless...all that flash and recoil to send the same sized hunk of lead downrange as the milder 9mm (and the 9mm pistol will hold more rounds).

Link Posted: 9/4/2005 12:36:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
9mm, .357SIG, 10mm, .40S&W, .45GAP, .45ACP

Nobody needs 4 intermideate calibers between 9mm and .45. Some are going to go the way of 10mm.

For my own sake I hope .40S&W survives the test of time, but that's mostly just because I'm personally invetsed in the matter.




I'm doing my absolute personal best to ensure the survival on the 10. Looking to get one this week or next.

I don't think with true 10mm loads, that's really an intermediate to either .45GAP or .45ACP, except in diameter only.



I too really like the 10mm. I have a few :G20, Colt Delta, and my favorite 10mm Springfield Omega with ported barrel.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 12:45:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By O_R_B_1:
Aren't there a couple of police departments that adopted the Sig round? I've been debating on getting a glock in 357, but.....?



Texas DPS uses 357 SIG
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 3:16:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

and it certainly doesn't come close to the .357 Mag, which was what it was originally advertised as.





I don't know where you're getting your info, but you're wholly incorrect, sir.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 3:24:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

and it certainly doesn't come close to the .357 Mag, which was what it was originally advertised as.





I don't know where you're getting your info, but you're wholly incorrect, sir.




I was incorrect. It appears that the Sig round at least makes it into low Magnum levels. With a 125 grain pill it seems to normally be around 100-150 fps slower than the Magnum, so it does approximate those velocities.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 3:48:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

I was incorrect. It appears that the Sig round at least makes it into low Magnum levels. With a 125 grain pill it seems to normally be around 100-150 fps slower than the Magnum, so it does approximate those velocities.




I had GA Arms ammo for 125gr at 1,400f/p/s. Please forgive me when I ask how much more magnum velocity is over that?????????

Link Posted: 9/4/2005 3:54:13 PM EDT
Virginia State Police uses .357 Sig out of Sig pistols.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 5:34:34 PM EDT
I can't think of anything the .357Sig is good for.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:41:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
9mm, .357SIG, 10mm, .40S&W, .45GAP, .45ACP

Nobody needs 4 intermideate calibers between 9mm and .45. Some are going to go the way of 10mm.

For my own sake I hope .40S&W survives the test of time, but that's mostly just because I'm personally invetsed in the matter.



Me too
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:45:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ScrubJ:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
9mm, .357SIG, 10mm, .40S&W, .45GAP, .45ACP

Nobody needs 4 intermideate calibers between 9mm and .45. Some are going to go the way of 10mm.

For my own sake I hope .40S&W survives the test of time, but that's mostly just because I'm personally invetsed in the matter.



Me too



Me too

And from what I can tell so far, my .40 will be with me a long time.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:50:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Derek45:
I can't think of anything the .357Sig is good for.



How about shooting bad guys?
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:50:38 PM EDT
40SW=short weak,,.45acp 1911 has stood the test of time[my one and only choice]
also some US feds are using the .357 sig
but above all the .357 mag is still the #1 1rnd stoppeatleast according to M.Evans
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:51:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JPC:
40SW=short weak,,.45acp 1911 has stood the test of time[my one and only choice]
also some US feds are using the .357 sig
but above all the .357 mag is still the #1 1rnd stoppeatleast according to M.Evans




Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:52:03 PM EDT
Mr Ayoob seems to like it
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:59:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2005 8:00:23 PM EDT by vanilla_gorilla]
Something I haven't heard about, and am curious of:

Using 9mm bullets, and driving them faster than I though they were going, apparently up to 1450fps in GA loading, may stress bullets a bit too much. Has this been a problem, or are modern bullets able to handle a higher velocity than they were actually intended for?
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:14:59 PM EDT
Can't you seat the same bullets in a .357sig case as the .357mag case?
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:23:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cavu:
Can't you seat the same bullets in a .357sig case as the .357mag case?



357 SIG uses a 9mm bullet, .355" in diameter. 357 Magnum bullets are .357" diameter. Using the larger diameter magnum bullet in the high pressure SIG would not be a good practice.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:30:34 PM EDT
Wasn't really sure about that since I don't load that caliber. I can seat .452 or .454 in 45 colt cases and push them to insane limits through my rugers, but granted, that is a single action tank compared to an auto. Didn't realize the .357sig was actually .355 in diameter. Thanks.

Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:31:28 PM EDT
Because "three-fifty-seven" sounds cooler than "forty".

...or "foo-tee" for that matter.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:32:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Derek45:
I can't think of anything the .357Sig is good for.



How about shooting bad guys?



Better penetration characteristics - bad guy hiding behind a car door, etc.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:34:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By JPC:
40SW=short weak,,.45acp 1911 has stood the test of time[my one and only choice]
also some US feds are using the .357 sig
but above all the .357 mag is still the #1 1rnd stoppeatleast according to M.Evans







I wonder how many folks have a little room in their house with a 1911 on an altar, surrounded by candles?
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:36:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:
Sectional Density.




No one ever pays attention to the correct answers here.


But I still think it doesn't enough going for it when compared with the 9mm.

1250 fps with 127gr vs. 1350fps with 125gr


I'll take the 2 extra rounds.


Although it does have less recoil than a .40
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:36:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By JPC:
40SW=short weak,,.45acp 1911 has stood the test of time[my one and only choice]
also some US feds are using the .357 sig
but above all the .357 mag is still the #1 1rnd stoppeatleast according to M.Evans







I wonder how many folks have a little room in their house with a 1911 on an altar, surrounded by candles?



I like the 1911, but it just doesn't hold the mystique or sacred status for me that it does for me.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:36:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
Something I haven't heard about, and am curious of:

Using 9mm bullets, and driving them faster than I though they were going, apparently up to 1450fps in GA loading, may stress bullets a bit too much. Has this been a problem, or are modern bullets able to handle a higher velocity than they were actually intended for?



I don't know about the Ga Ammo (their "Canned Heat?") loading, but I corresponded with the Speer guys re their Gold Dots and at 1450fps you run the risk of the "petals" peeling off as the bullet expands instead of folding back and maintaining integrity.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:39:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By dport:
Sectional Density.




No one ever pays attention to the correct answers here.


But I still think it doesn't enough going for it when compared with the 9mm.

1250 fps with 127gr vs. 1350fps with 125gr


I'll take the 2 extra rounds.


Although it does have less recoil than a .40



Georgia Arms does state on their website that their loadings approach 1400fps, nearly equaling the 1450-1500 of the Magnum. I am curious whether the commonly-used 9mm bullets hold up during social use. I'm learning much more about the round tonight than I thought I knew.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:40:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By JPC:
40SW=short weak,,.45acp 1911 has stood the test of time[my one and only choice]
also some US feds are using the .357 sig
but above all the .357 mag is still the #1 1rnd stoppeatleast according to M.Evans







I wonder how many folks have a little room in their house with a 1911 on an altar, surrounded by candles?



I like the 1911, but it just doesn't hold the mystique or sacred status for me that it does for me.



I agree with you. I like the 1911, too, but I realize that, at least out of the box, there are better pistols, such as the SIG P-220, or the HK. I would rather buy a pistol that feeds reliably out of the box, without having to send it to a gunsmith to make it reliable. The 45 caliber round is also an excellent round, but it is not the only excellent round. Some folks think that anything other than a 1911 is "an inferior pistol".
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:51:20 PM EDT
I prefer 357sig over 40s&W because the 357sig shoots more accurately* and has a more controllable recoil* that is hard to describe.

For any of my handguns that are 40, I buy a 357sig barrel and shelf the 40 barrel. I guess if I ever sell, the buyer will have a super nice 40 barrel at least.

* for me. YMMV.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:53:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
I prefer 357sig over 40s&W because the 357sig shoots more accurately* and has a more controllable recoil* that is hard to describe.

For any of my handguns that are 40, I buy a 357sig barrel and shelf the 40 barrel. I guess if I ever sell, the buyer will have a super nice 40 barrel at least.

* for me. YMMV.



I have found that to be the case as well.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:54:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By dport:
Sectional Density.




No one ever pays attention to the correct answers here.


But I still think it doesn't enough going for it when compared with the 9mm.

1250 fps with 127gr vs. 1350fps with 125gr


I'll take the 2 extra rounds.


Although it does have less recoil than a .40



Georgia Arms does state on their website that their loadings approach 1400fps, nearly equaling the 1450-1500 of the Magnum. I am curious whether the commonly-used 9mm bullets hold up during social use. I'm learning much more about the round tonight than I thought I knew.




I handload 357 mags upt to 1800fps on a regular basis. With H110 my manual says I can push it over 1900fps out of a 5 inch barrel. (125gr bullets)

Approaching 1400 and 1350fps does not have a really big significant difference.


Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:58:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
I prefer 357sig over 40s&W because the 357sig shoots more accurately* and has a more controllable recoil* that is hard to describe.

For any of my handguns that are 40, I buy a 357sig barrel and shelf the 40 barrel. I guess if I ever sell, the buyer will have a super nice 40 barrel at least.

* for me. YMMV.




Do you know if it headspaces on the shoulder of the round or the case mouth? That might account for accuracy difference. 40 is not innaccurate though. Look at how many are used in 1911 for competition.

I completely agree on recoil though. But I think 40 is more effective and and 357 is just an inbetween that has marginally less recoil than the 40 and marginally more power than the 9mm.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 10:20:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
I prefer 357sig over 40s&W because the 357sig shoots more accurately* and has a more controllable recoil* that is hard to describe.

* for me. YMMV.



Everybody's mileage will indeed vary, and that I'm sure we'll all agree on.

That said, most 9mm pistols I've had the opportunity to shoot handle almost the same as my XD40 4". As such I'll take the diameter upgrade.

XDs really do shoot smooth.
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