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Posted: 8/28/2004 9:11:52 PM EST
....WHY?
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:18:18 PM EST
OK WHO VOTED FOR THE 308???... EXPLAIN YOURSELF!!!
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:19:30 PM EST
.308. Easily wins because it is more efficient, available as new manufacture non corrosive surplus, has probably the best factory loaded match ammo available, and is available in the AR10 and other short action weapons.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:19:37 PM EST
.30-06. It doesn't need to be explained. Everyone knows it's better.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:20:51 PM EST
.30-06
two words:
M1 Garand
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:22:25 PM EST
.30-06 just so I can see the farking results.

I have no preference
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:28:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By sick:
.30-06
two words:
M1 Garand



M14 is a far superior weapon.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:32:45 PM EST
Personally, I like both but the .308 gives .30-06 performance in a shorter round.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:35:49 PM EST
Uhhh.. better for what? Huntin deer or returning fire?

- BUCC_Guy
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:37:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
Uhhh.. better for what? Huntin deer or returning fire?

- BUCC_Guy



You never know whats gonna happen
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:42:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 9:42:57 PM EST by garr]
.308, Three words, CHEAP ACCURATE SURPLUS
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:43:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:26:52 PM EST
Returning fire from those terrorist Deer!
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:28:38 PM EST
I voted 30-06 more factory loaded ammo variety.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:31:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyrax777:
I voted 30-06 more factory loaded ammo variety.



Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:31:54 PM EST
Multi-purpose, ubiquitously employed, highly effective - .308

A rifle for all seasons.

Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:39:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 10:40:56 PM EST by Dave_A]
.308

More accurate, period.

Costs less, etc...

Yes 30-06 can be loaded 'hotter', but that's not enough to make it a better round...

Plus, 30-06 surplus is generally 50+ years old... Surplus .308 is 10-20yrs old...
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:41:01 PM EST
If I want it hotter than .308, I will get a .300 Magnum.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:44:56 PM EST
I just like .30.06
Just fun, not sure why but makes me happy shooting it.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:16:31 PM EST
Well my brother has a 308 and I have a 30-06. For some reason, his 308 has more of a sharp "kick" than my 30-06. Probably he is shooting "hotter" rounds than i.... I dont know.

All I know is it is cooler to say 30 "OT" six

than

308.

So that is it... Final answer... the 30-06 is better because I own a rifle that shoots it and it sounds cooler. Can you HONESTLY argue with that?

I think not.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:18:45 PM EST
Lighter gun maybe?
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:44:49 PM EST


I prefer the 7.62X51. It works great in my AR10!
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 12:16:03 AM EST
308 kicks less. Sorry, but that's serious: I've noticed some flinching with a Garand that doesn't happen with M14.

308 = better accuracy.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 12:21:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 12:22:54 AM EST by Noname]
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 12:40:06 AM EST

I read a book by a Vietnam era sniper a while back - not Hathcock.

In his autobiography, he stated that initially he was issued a Winchester M70 in .30-06. Towards the end of his tour, this was turned in and he was issued a Remington 700 in .308. While trying to engage a target at extremely long range and from elevation (a VC in a spider hole that had decimated an entire squad of Marines), he was simply not able to put a round on target because the .308 simply couldn't make it out as far as the .30-06. His first rounds were falling 100+ yards short, and he attempted to walk the rounds into the target - all while a terrible drama was being played out at ground level, between the lone surviving squad member and the VC. Finally, the USMC machine gunner was able to kill the VC by charging him and firing directly into the spider hole, and the sniper watched through his scope as the machine gunner collapsed in tears at the death of all of his friends.

Now, that little anecdote is not scientific data, but it has since stuck in my head, and given my a tiny grain of mistrust of the .308.

Link Posted: 8/29/2004 1:51:01 AM EST
I shoot both but I have to go with the 308 . Hard tofind decent 30/06 to feedmy M1.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:46:49 AM EST
Avenger, what book?

Anyways, from what I can gather .308 is more accurate and 30-06 is harder hitting. I'll take a 30-06 myself, as the difference between a 3" group and a 6" group is still a dead man or animal.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:56:02 AM EST
30-06 but i prefer my 7.62x54R cheaper then both and damn hard hitting down range
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:56:52 AM EST
.30-06 will give you 150 to 200 fps more speed at the muzzle if deflection in the wind is critical. Other than that, you will never tell the difference in accuracy until you go to a custom rifle; rack grade guns aren't good enough to show the difference in accuracy.

Besides that, you aren't a true blooded American if you don't own at least one '06.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:00:23 AM EST

I wonder why the Rem 700 that snipers use aren't chambered in 30-06?

Wouldn't that answer the question?
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:02:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By CavalryJim:
Personally, I like both but the .308 gives .30-06 performance in a shorter round.



+1

there is nothing wrong with the '06, evolution took place, that's all.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:05:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By RED_5:

Originally Posted By CavalryJim:
Personally, I like both but the .308 gives .30-06 performance in a shorter round.



+1

there is nothing wrong with the '06, evolution took place, that's all.



Except for about 300 ft/lbs of energy and no 200+ grainers in the .308, I agree.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:09:12 AM EST
I bought a Remington 700 ADL in 30-06 for cheap. I plan to have a smith rebarrel it with a heavy barrel, just for the hell of it.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:14:27 AM EST
The 30.06 is being used in guns that are almost 100 years old. The steel in these guns is suspect so most of the commercial loads have been stripped of power because of liability issues.

I also notice that the Garand is picky about commercial 30.06 ammo and prefers the M2 ball most.

I am a .308 guy, almost as much power in a short action.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:16:38 AM EST
I would say the .30-06

At least here in the midwest if a SHTF scenerio ever happened, .30-06 ammo could be found damn near in every house
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:50:38 AM EST
Ah yes, my brother in arms. Part of the Minnesota Anti-Canadian Invasion Deer Hunter Militia here as well.

I don't know all my neighbors, but I guarantee that at least 50% of the houses on my street have a 30-06 with a box of 20 in them somewhere.

Of course my next door neighbor has a very sweet 300 mag that I'm jealous of, but my 30-06 has killed more deer than his 300
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:51:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By garr:
.308, Three words, CHEAP ACCURATE SURPLUS



+1
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:51:14 AM EST
AvengeAR15:

I read the same book, it was written by Ed Kugler and it's called "Dead Center"

He HATED the switch from '06 to .308 because "it had no legs". And the passage you refer to is as gut wrenching as they come when you're reading it. He KNEW he could have influenced the battle and he couldn't do a thing about it with the newer-.308-rifle.

And this wasn't the first book I read by a Vietnam-era sniper that echoed the same thing. In fact, I read another book by a sniper in VN that carried an M14 when he didn't carry the sniper rifle and he even made a comment that he liked the M14 but that the Winchester mod 70 '06 could really reach out.

BTW, I voted 30-06 and I own one, strictly on the basis of what I've read about War I and II as well as Vietnam snipers.

The .308 is nice and to me has less recoil than an '06, but I think the '06 is better all around.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:04:28 AM EST
I like the .30-'06. Those long, shiny cases just look like little missles.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:04:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
....WHY?



There should be a both option on the poll, honestly

The only bolt guns I own are in rem 700 in 308 and savage 111 in 30-06.
I figure there ain't nothing on this continent that I can't take with one or the other.

Honestly.

The 308 has the advantage with lighter rounds but the 06 has the advantage with heavier rounds, so it depends on what yer shooting, and why. Typicly I shoot 168gr ballistic tips from my 06, and 168gr black hills out of my 308. I plan to bring both guns deer hunting this year. The 06 is lighter and has a shorter barrel. The 308 weighs 18lbs damn near and has a 24in barrel. One I'll use in the stand the other I'll use to stalk.(can ya guess which I'll use for which?)

They both have their place and their use, and one isn't nessesarily better than the other untill you get to the bullet weight issue. Also most 06 as I've been told is down loaded with light bullets. I'm sure you could get higher velocities with lighter bullets from an 06 but than what do you give up accurecy wise? Don't know I'm not a reloader so I can't really say.

As far as accurecy goes, well the 308 I have has been worked extensivly and was built for accurecy. My 06 has never had any acurising done to it. It will however shoot sub MOA when I do my part consitantly. The .308 is a consistant sub MOA shooter to, a bit better than the 06, but as I said it was made for that and the savage is still in the out of box configuration.

So I'd say in all honesty as far as i'm concerned it's a wash.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:13:17 AM EST
I'm a big fan of versatility. I vote 06.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:23:01 AM EST
I voted for the 3006. I think it is the best all around cartridge out there. You can get loads from 110gr-220gr. And I have 7 rifles in that caliber.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:28:11 AM EST
The whole conforming to NATO...and the armed forces use it, it must be the best does not fly. The 308 is a necked down version of the 1906 .30 cal. If I am wrong the "experts will roast me". It is a hell of a round. Heavy, requires a Battle rifle to fire it, and is extreme overkill in most situations.

But I believe the average 30-06 will destroy and cause more damage than the average 308. So to answer the post….30-06.

Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:31:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By photoman:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
....WHY?



There should be a both option on the poll, honestly




When I was writing up that poll I ORIGINALLY had a BOTH choice... last minute I said "Nah, No one would pick that.... I thought only my wife was the one to prove me wrong.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:32:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By AvengeR15:
I read a book by a Vietnam era sniper a while back - not Hathcock.

In his autobiography, he stated that initially he was issued a Winchester M70 in .30-06. Towards the end of his tour, this was turned in and he was issued a Remington 700 in .308. While trying to engage a target at extremely long range and from elevation (a VC in a spider hole that had decimated an entire squad of Marines), he was simply not able to put a round on target because the .308 simply couldn't make it out as far as the .30-06. His first rounds were falling 100+ yards short, and he attempted to walk the rounds into the target - all while a terrible drama was being played out at ground level, between the lone surviving squad member and the VC. Finally, the USMC machine gunner was able to kill the VC by charging him and firing directly into the spider hole, and the sniper watched through his scope as the machine gunner collapsed in tears at the death of all of his friends.

Now, that little anecdote is not scientific data, but it has since stuck in my head, and given my a tiny grain of mistrust of the .308.




Thats what the Barrett M82 was created for!!
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:45:50 AM EST
.30-06

I already reload for .30-06, have 300 empties, and have loads figured up for each rifle. It just makes more sense for me to stick with this caliber right now.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 8:54:49 AM EST
I don't see the big deal.

Both are comparable rounds, just a matter of personal preference.

FWIW, I've had a Rem 700 BDL in 30.06 for many years. Still a tack driver.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:00:18 AM EST
.308

More accurate, better rifle platforms, better ammo choices.

As far a power goes, whoever/whatever you shot would never know the difference.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:07:14 AM EST
I'm kinda fond of .308.

The brass is MUCH cheaper and the difference between hot handloads is negligible.

Plus, all my favorite toys are chambered in 308.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:15:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By triburst1:
.308

More accurate, better rifle platforms, better ammo choices.

As far a power goes, whoever/whatever you shot would never know the difference.



Explaine the better ammo choices?
I can go anywhere from 110gr-220gr in a 06 you can't do that with a .308.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 9:21:44 AM EST
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