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Posted: 7/14/2001 11:07:48 AM EST
OK, OK, I know this is a little OT, but I have a garand in 30.06 and am considering getting a M1A in .308. I was wondering... is the .308 better than my 30.06 or should I just stick to the .06. What I mean is, what does the .308 do that the .06 doesnt or vise-versa Thanks guys [x]
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 11:10:47 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 11:14:37 AM EST
308 about 10 cents a round 30-06 about a 25 cents a round based on surplus ammo
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 11:14:48 AM EST
I have 3 Garands in 30-06 and have no desire for anything in .308. Just my personal preference and I bought a 30-06 bolt to go with my Garands. The .308 is somewhat smaller with comparable ballistics to a point. However, you can have heavier bullets and shoot further with the 30-06. I guess I don't like the M1A/M14 in .308 because it replaced the Garand. To me that was blasphemous, so I have never been able to warm up to any .308 rifle. I know it's silly, but that's just the way I feel. Besides, it is another caliber to keep up with and I have enough to deal with now: 30-06, 9mm, .45 ACP, .30 carbine, and .223/5.56.
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 12:15:09 PM EST
If you are a handloader, you can make the .06 a bit hotter than the .308. Some will argue that the .308 is more accurate than the 30-06 - but do a [b]lot[/b] of thinking before you buy into that. You can still find a quite a bit of AP 30'06 ammo [:D] Tyler
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 12:33:03 PM EST
My favorite bolt gun is a Savage 110 in 30-06, My favorite .308 is an FAL. Both are accurate, but the 06 does hit harder. Since I own an ammo company price is really not a concern for me, but .308 surplus is cheaper and easier to find.
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 1:11:42 PM EST
Post from cyrax777 -
308 about 10 cents a round 30-06 about a 25 cents a round based on surplus ammo
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That pretty much says it for me, besides which all my favorite military weapons are in .308 not 30-06. Eric The(Non-AmmoCompanyOwner)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 5:17:16 PM EST
btt [bounce]
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 5:30:17 PM EST
The .308 allows for a shorter action = faster cycling and quicker follow up. That's why they designed the shorter 7.62 Nato after WW2.
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 5:32:16 PM EST
Same-same....except the 0-6 is more versatile......actually, there is still some surplus 06 ammo to be had if you look around......it`s just not current n.a.t.o....and the majority of autos are 308......i like 06 better myself...it`s preference on the rifle you want....try a 25-06 varmint gun.....NASTY.........[frag]
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 6:09:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/14/2001 6:08:02 PM EST by Sukebe]
Nothing wrong with converting the M-1 to .308. I just wont do it until .30-06 surplus is no longer available. An M-1 just isn't an M-1 unless its .30-06, at least thats how I feel
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 6:22:08 PM EST
If you have ever seen a mag for a BAR then you would realize why they adopted the .308 for a battle rifle. I have a bolt rifle in 30-06. I shoot every thing from 55 grain accelerators to 220 grain. Longrange shooters found that the .308 would give better scores than 30-06 at the Camp Perry Matchs. Many M1 Garands were converted to .308. for that reason.
Link Posted: 7/14/2001 6:23:13 PM EST
I grew up shooting 30-06's and .308's in bolt rifles. The only advantage the .308 has over the 30-06 is accuracy. The .308 will shoot tighter and more consistent benchrest quality groups and thus is very good for shooting small varmints at long ranges. That is why the 30-06 disappeared from competition and the .308 became the preferable caliber out to 1000 yards. The reason the .308 is a more accurate round is because of the case geometry. First of all the case has less powder capacity which typically results in full or compressed powder charges. This causes the powder to ignite and burn more uniformly. That is why the 30-06 is a hotter round. It has more case capacity but it does not burn its charges as uniformly because of the unused space in the case. And when you use up that space with a hotter load you also typically lose some accuracy. Also the shoulder angle of the .308 case is 20 degrees versus the 30-06's 17-1/2 degrees. It is believed that a steeper angle helps contribute to better powder burning and accuracy consistency. Look at all your varmint calibers: .222, .223, .22-250, .220 Swift, .243. They all have shoulder angles of 20 degrees or more. I do not know how much accuracy you will gain in .308 in an M1A/M14 configuration. I know nothing about these rifles. I do know that a .308 shoots more accurately in a bolt rifle. I shoot consistent 1/4" and smaller 5 shot groups with my Model 700 VSSF out of the box with a Jewell trigger. I have never shot a 30-06 that could consistently group that small. And of course the .308 is a cheaper round as mentioned above.
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