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Posted: 12/13/2013 2:41:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2013 2:44:04 AM EST by HenryReardon]
From today's WSJ:

"To offset the $62 billion spending increase, the budget deal includes $85 billion in fee hikes and other deficit-reduction measures. That means the deal as a whole produces a net reduction in the deficit of $23 billion over 10 years."

"The bill passed with a wide bipartisan margin, on a vote of 332-94. Voting for the measure were 169 Republicans and 163 Democrats, while 62 Republicans and 32 Democrats voted against."

We have over $17 TRILLION in known federal debt, and are adding to it at the rate of at least $600 BILLION per year. But these clowns think that a $23 BILLION reduction over ten years is the adult and responsible thing to do.

Tell me again that the Republicans are different than the Democrats.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:42:32 AM EST
Fuck em all
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:43:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2013 2:46:09 AM EST by redfish86]
While i agree with your premise, at least they're trying to start somewhere.

Look at it like the dems: they didn't try to ban all guns outright. They have slowly been chipping away at the second and it's working.

You are correct though. The math is fucking ridiculous.

Stop spending money you assholes.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:43:30 AM EST
Why spend less when you can just print more?
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:45:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
While i agree with your premise, at least they're trying to start somewhere.

Look at it like the dems: they didn't try to ban all guns outright. They have slowly been chipping away at the second and it's working.
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Oh, please.

They've been trying to start somewhere for years. They aren't serious about it because they're addicted to it. At this point, anyone who continues to make excuses for their treasonous behavior is just enabling the collapse.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:46:37 AM EST
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Originally Posted By HenryReardon:

Oh, please.

They've been trying to start somewhere for years. They aren't serious about it because they're addicted to it. At this point, anyone who continues to make excuses for their treasonous behavior is just enabling the collapse.
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Originally Posted By HenryReardon:
Originally Posted By redfish86:
While i agree with your premise, at least they're trying to start somewhere.

Look at it like the dems: they didn't try to ban all guns outright. They have slowly been chipping away at the second and it's working.

Oh, please.

They've been trying to start somewhere for years. They aren't serious about it because they're addicted to it. At this point, anyone who continues to make excuses for their treasonous behavior is just enabling the collapse.


Pls see me edit. I hit "submit" too soon.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:49:06 AM EST
Disgusting.



We're swirling around the toilet bowl and the politicians are too dense to see it.


Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:49:56 AM EST
This is a place holder, designed to get us through the next 11 months. It's a political strategy.

The Dems wanted to force a shut down.

Under the circumstances, it's acceptable.

Now shut up and go to work or donate to one of the six senate campaigns we need to win in order to fix the problem.

Tea party conservative? Fight it out in the primary== then throw your full support behind the candidate, even if you don't agree 100 percent.

Or quit complaining. Because my children, like yours, will be paying for this stupidity-- including tantrums.

Take over the Republican party if you want to fix this-- just don't let Harry Reid be in charge 12 months from now.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:50:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2013 2:50:16 AM EST by RRD3]
I'm going to buy a 3 million dollar house and property tomorrow. I should be able to get the loan because I plan on cutting back my spending by $200 a month over the next 30 years.
That should get me the loan right? Guys? Hello?!?
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:51:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By redfish86:


Pls see me edit. I hit "submit" too soon.
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
Originally Posted By HenryReardon:
Originally Posted By redfish86:
While i agree with your premise, at least they're trying to start somewhere.

Look at it like the dems: they didn't try to ban all guns outright. They have slowly been chipping away at the second and it's working.

Oh, please.

They've been trying to start somewhere for years. They aren't serious about it because they're addicted to it. At this point, anyone who continues to make excuses for their treasonous behavior is just enabling the collapse.


Pls see me edit. I hit "submit" too soon.

Yes, the math is ridiculous.

Voting won't solve the problem. But the inevitable fiscal collapse will. I hope some of these traitors are around when it happens, and they reap the "just rewards" of their actions.

The progressives (and a fair number of "conservatives") will ultimately be successful with gun control because they truly want it, because they understand that an armed populace threatens their power. Almost no politician in D. C. wants a budget reduction, because they buy votes and enrich themselves by spending our money.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:52:12 AM EST
like for the next 10 years they'll look back and say "nope, can't spend that because we agreed back in 2013 to cut it".

What changes are being made from such agreements from 2003-2012? None

When's the last time we had a real budget, been running on continuing resolutions for last 4 or so? at least

Notice how tax increased go into effect immediately and spending cuts don't happen until down the road
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:52:50 AM EST
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The difference that concerns me is the media is firmly in the camp of the Democrats.

They relentlessly make the Republicans look like the bad guys, including the reports today. So while budget cuts won't change as much as needed with either party, other issues like gun rights will be easier for Democrats when they get more votes in upcoming elections, and the ability to change the Supreme court seats, so they can re-interpret the 2nd Amendment with a Liberal slant.

It does seem ridiculous though- especially as we're putting 85 billion a month into the stockmarket- over 3 times the savings of this bill.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:53:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2013 2:54:13 AM EST by TecRsq]
As Rusbo has always said.......Pure symbolism over substance.

Most of our so called conservatives, are no better than the socialists.

When will the GOP wake up and quit wasting their vote, they have given the dems the last 2 election cycles.

Tea Party, Constitutional Party, Libertarian Party folks, as the previous three are better than the 2 party's we have now.

Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:53:24 AM EST
So out of the 20 zillion pennies on the table, they cut one into 4ths, removed a single 1/4, and declared it a bipartisan victory.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:54:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Geohans:
This is a place holder, designed to get us through the next 11 months. It's a political strategy.

The Dems wanted to force a shut down.

Under the circumstances, it's acceptable.

Now shut up and go to work or donate to one of the six senate campaigns we need to win in order to fix the problem.

Tea party conservative? Fight it out in the primary== then throw your full support behind the candidate, even if you don't agree 100 percent.

Or quit complaining. Because my children, like yours, will be paying for this stupidity-- including tantrums.

Take over the Republican party if you want to fix this-- just don't let Harry Reid be in charge 12 months from now.
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Nope. Not another dime in campaign contributions from me. I did that for years, and got nothing for it except more debt and less freedom.

I'm done with the political strategizing, too. We get so wrapped up in playing the game that we forget why we're fighting. It's not about who wins the next election or who controls Congress or who can appoint more judges. It's about saving the Constitution. Electing more Republicans isn't going to do it.

Under the circumstances, more debt is not acceptable. Compromise is not acceptable. Unless, of course, you don't care if the Constitution is burned.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:55:41 AM EST
The Republic is doomed, hate to break it to y'all. Both parties have chosen party politics over the well being of the Republic; those trying to make a stand are castigated, demonized and marginalized.

So get in step comrade, STFU and back to the collective.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 2:58:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RRD3:
I'm going to buy a 3 million dollar house and property tomorrow. I should be able to get the loan because I plan on cutting back my spending by $200 a month over the next 30 years.
That should get me the loan right? Guys? Hello?!?
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I think you might have meant to say "I plan to cut back on the total amount I will spend over the next 30 years by $200."

Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:02:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SparticleBrane:
So out of the 20 zillion pennies on the table, they cut one into 4ths, removed a single 1/4, and declared it a bipartisan victory.
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Except they remove that 1/4 over ten years.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:02:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By The_Waabit:
Why spend less when you can just print more?
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Been working so far.

Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:04:18 AM EST
I'd say "not good enough" but maybe "not good at all" is more accurate.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:13:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By HenryReardon:
From today's WSJ:

"To offset the $62 billion spending increase, the budget deal includes $85 billion in fee hikes and other deficit-reduction measures. That means the deal as a whole produces a net reduction in the deficit of $23 billion over 10 years."

"The bill passed with a wide bipartisan margin, on a vote of 332-94. Voting for the measure were 169 Republicans and 163 Democrats, while 62 Republicans and 32 Democrats voted against."

We have over $17 TRILLION in known federal debt, and are adding to it at the rate of at least $600 BILLION per year. But these clowns think that a $23 BILLION reduction over ten years is the adult and responsible thing to do.

Tell me again that the Republicans are different than the Democrats.
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When it comes to spending money, the overwhelming majority of Members of Congress are fervent believers that MORE IS BETTER regardless of party, as the vote totals show.
They often disagree on who should receive the money.
BTW: The entities which are slated to bear the burden of the cuts - which are scheduled to begin eight years from now - are already working to have the reductions eliminated.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 3:17:30 AM EST
These are never cuts in spending. They are reductions in what they intended to raise the debt to.

So, they decide they will raise the debt 2 trillion & 23 billion over ten years and they reduce it to 2 trillion even and announce they have reduced deficit by 23 billion. See how they are responsible to the people????

Yeah, morons and those that think they are really reducing spending are idiots


Wulfmann
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 6:28:49 AM EST
The only hope.......is that the American Public will.........vote to throw ALL of the %@$#@^*$ out.

Aloha, Mark
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 6:34:21 AM EST
Cut benefits and raise taxes on the middle class and military. Sounds like a solid plan to me.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 6:36:43 AM EST
Given the democrats control most of the government and their choice would be 2.3 trillion in spending increases over ten years, I consider the status quo to be a victory at this time.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 6:43:06 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/13/2013 6:53:10 AM EST
The cuts over 10 years will be passed and then a new budget will come along with increased spending over the short term with the promise to cut over the next 10 years and the cycle will go on until collapse is achieved.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 6:56:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By HunterRose13:
The cuts over 10 years will be passed and then a new budget will come along with increased spending over the short term with the promise to cut over the next 10 years and the cycle will go on until collapse is achieved.
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Exactly. The "over the next 10 years" business is a con game for the people who are too dumb to understand that this won't be the last budget.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:16:59 AM EST
And the fee hikes prevent that money from producing more.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:32:01 AM EST
The problem comes down to a few basic issues.

1. Lack of honor in all politicians. The two don't co-exist. If you have honor and respect as a person you simply aren't a politician.
2. Self service - politicians only care about their next term in office. They don't give a flying fuck what lies they have to tell, what lives they have to destroy as long as it serves them.
3. Power corrupts - lay down with dogs, you get fleas.

The bottom line is human weakness. People are weak and will do what is easy vs. what is right.

I'm so disgusted by all of them that it makes me sick.


Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:52:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
While i agree with your premise, at least they're trying to start somewhere.

Look at it like the dems: they didn't try to ban all guns outright. They have slowly been chipping away at the second and it's working.

You are correct though. The math is fucking ridiculous.

Stop spending money you assholes.
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Smoke and mirrors.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:56:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
While i agree with your premise, at least they're trying to start somewhere.

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Bull
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:56:44 AM EST
Who cares, the millennials are the ones who will have to pay for it.

Party on
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:58:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
While i agree with your premise, at least they're trying to start somewhere.

Look at it like the dems: they didn't try to ban all guns outright. They have slowly been chipping away at the second and it's working.

You are correct though. The math is fucking ridiculous.

Stop spending money you assholes.
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TRYING to start? It's a slap in the face is what it is.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:07:15 AM EST
so if we reduce by 23 billion over 10 years, we can average that out to 2.3 billion a year, right?

so, basically instead of adding 20 trillion to the debt over the next ten years, we're only going to add 19.987 trillion.

fucking genius.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:13:32 AM EST
But….but you just don't understand…...that's $230 billion over 100 years!
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But….but you just don't understand…...that's $230 billion over 100 years!
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or, 1.2 trillion over 500 years!!!!! that would almost cover this year's defecit. we're saved!
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:26:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Geohans:
This is a place holder, designed to get us through the next 11 months. It's a political strategy.

The Dems wanted to force a shut down.

Under the circumstances, it's acceptable.

Now shut up and go to work or donate to one of the six senate campaigns we need to win in order to fix the problem.

Tea party conservative? Fight it out in the primary== then throw your full support behind the candidate, even if you don't agree 100 percent.

Or quit complaining. Because my children, like yours, will be paying for this stupidity-- including tantrums.

Take over the Republican party if you want to fix this-- just don't let Harry Reid be in charge 12 months from now.
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Wisdom here in this post.


dems want a govt shutdown right before midterms. we have to own the midterms and make democrats own the spending.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:26:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TecRsq:

When will the GOP wake up and quit wasting their vote, they have given the dems the last 2 election cycles.

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Better to be the last pig at the trough than no trough at all...
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:30:32 AM EST
You are not going to cut your way out of the budget mess. It's just a pure simple fact. If you made all the cuts necessary we wouldn't be a 1st world country anymore in 10 years from infrastructure decay.

The only way to fix it, is to grow the economy. The better the economy, the more revenue.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:41:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
You are not going to cut your way out of the budget mess. It's just a pure simple fact. If you made all the cuts necessary we wouldn't be a 1st world country anymore in 10 years from infrastructure decay.

The only way to fix it, is to grow the economy. The better the economy, the more revenue.
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please tell me more about how you're going to grow the economy so much as to raise tax revenue by 50% just to cover the current defecit.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:43:30 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Yohanan:
Fuck em all
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FPNI. Any question as to whether the government will seize all pension and retirement funds (except those of Congress)?
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:45:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ma96782:
The only hope.......is that the American Public will.........vote to throw ALL of the %@$#@^*$ out.

Aloha, Mark
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Then there is no hope.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:45:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
Given the democrats control most of the government and their choice would be 2.3 trillion in spending increases over ten years, I consider the status quo to be a victory at this time.
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Then your expectations are not high enough.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:48:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
You are not going to cut your way out of the budget mess. It's just a pure simple fact. If you made all the cuts necessary we wouldn't be a 1st world country anymore in 10 years from infrastructure decay.

The only way to fix it, is to grow the economy. The better the economy, the more revenue.
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This is one of the worst fallacies perpetrated by "conservatives".

No amount of economic growth will get us out of the debt and deficit mess. Why? Because no matter how fast tax receipts increase, the politicians will find ways to spend it even faster. Spending isn't about infrastructure, or "investment", or any of those seemingly good things. Spending by politicians is about buying votes. And the more money they have to play with, the more votes they think they can buy. So far, they've been correct. As long as the system permits them to spend in excess of what the government takes in, they will do it.
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please tell me more about how you're going to grow the economy so much as to raise tax revenue by 50% just to cover the current defecit.
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Originally Posted By nickdcj7:
Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
You are not going to cut your way out of the budget mess. It's just a pure simple fact. If you made all the cuts necessary we wouldn't be a 1st world country anymore in 10 years from infrastructure decay.

The only way to fix it, is to grow the economy. The better the economy, the more revenue.


please tell me more about how you're going to grow the economy so much as to raise tax revenue by 50% just to cover the current defecit.

Do things to encourage innovation and competition for better products.

Things like X Prize started the contest for private companies to build a spacecraft capable of transporting people. We're well on our way with that.

Other very promise X Prizes has where billionaires are investing a ton of money in a operating to mine material out of asteroids and bring it back to earth. Trillions of dollars worth of minerals.

Instead of comping up with reason after reason why it won't work, try looking for solutions.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:50:04 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:53:01 AM EST
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Except they remove that 1/4 over ten years.
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Originally Posted By SparticleBrane:
So out of the 20 zillion pennies on the table, they cut one into 4ths, removed a single 1/4, and declared it a bipartisan victory.


Except they remove that 1/4 over ten years.
Yep, and keep up with over spending. So now that 1/4 is really 1/8 or 1/16.


COC prevents me from saying what needs to happen.

Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:53:54 AM EST
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Bull -SHIT!
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
While i agree with your premise, at least they're trying to start somewhere.



Bull -SHIT!


FIFY
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:58:14 AM EST
What are the "fee hikes"
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 8:58:31 AM EST
We would have saved more with the sequester which was already in effect. Making Obama pay for his own vacations and golf rounds would probably have saved more over the next 3 years.
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