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Posted: 6/17/2009 9:17:28 AM EST
Hi all,

I'm looking to purchase a new .22 LR rifle to teach some kids in the family how to shoot. Also when they're not around I may use it to blow away a few beer cans & stay sharp to save on the .223/5.56 ammo. Looking for a good quality reliable rifle that's a good-shooter, but don't need a $2000 - $3000 Olympic-grade match rifle either. Was thinking of going with a bolt-action, but semi-auto is attractive as well. Wouldn't rule out a lever-action either.

I've heard good things about the Ruger 10/22 as well as others. Anyone have suggestions?

JH
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:18:28 AM EST
10/22 would be my choice, or a Henry lever action.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:19:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
10/22 would be my choice, or a Henry lever action.

I have both, and they are both good rifles.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:19:12 AM EST
The 10/22 is a tinkerer's dream, but if you want a rifle that's quite accurate out of the box, the Marlin Model 60 can't be beat for it's price.

If you want a bolt gun, take a look at the offerings from Savage. Best bang for your rimfire buck when it comes to bolt actions.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:21:32 AM EST
I have a 10/22 and you can't go wrong with that. But I fired a henry lever a while back and fell in love. That thing was super fun to shoot and stupid accurate. Kinda pricey compared to the Ruger, of course.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:23:38 AM EST
Marlin model 60 what I bought for my 10 year olds. They love it, and I just put a bipod on it so they don't have to shoot it off of a box anymore.

This is our first .22lr rifle, and it's a lot of fun.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:25:28 AM EST
GSG-5...

That's what I want, but I don't know anything about the accuracy out of the box.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:26:20 AM EST
10/22 for price of entry and unlimited options
77/22 or CZ 452 or a 'nice' bolt action .22 rf that feels like a larger caliber rifle...
Polish Nagant trainer for a single shot good time with cb long loads. (the long barrel makes them extremly quiet)
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:26:40 AM EST
The 10/22 would be hard to beat. Might want to look around for a Romanian M69 trainer. Handy little bolt action.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:27:19 AM EST
I like the 10/22 so much I bought two and turned one into a nail tacking .17mach 2
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:40:25 AM EST
CZ-452, pick your flavor.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:41:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 9:42:33 AM EST by Sig_Fan]
I have same one as the picture, Marlin model 60 stainless and it is a reliable tack driver.

I own a great many .22 rifles, and in my humble opinion, there is not a better rifle in its price point and shoots as well or better than rifles costing twice as much.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:44:14 AM EST
If you have an AR15, I would suggest a Spikes 22lr upper. I just got one and really like it. I also have a GSG5 and its not terribly accurate out of the box though I am still working on zerioing it and am new to firearms in general.

(yes I jump into things with both feet ;p)

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:44:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 9:48:03 AM EST by 1776-1865_RIP]
A manual loading rifle (bolt, lever, pump) are best for initial lessons.

How old are the children? If <10 a youth model with shorter length of pull will help with developing good form (but will suck for you) CZ-452 Scout, Henry Lever Youth

If <7 look at a Henry Mini-bolt

Ruger Bearcat has worked well for introducing children to handguns.


ETA - if >10 an AR upper, Marlin 39, Marlin 60, 10/22, CZ 452
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:44:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 9:45:46 AM EST by chevyrulz]
my ruger 10/22 is pushing 12 years old and still shoots like the 1st day i bought it

eta:

i've shot several other semi-auto .22 rifles and i much prefer the look and feel of the Ruger 10/22 carbine
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:44:43 AM EST
I like the 10/22 great.... it is best if you can get extra factory magazines. The after-market box magazines are no good. Totally unreliable. They shift too much in the mag wells and cause jams.

The rotary drums that come with the rifle can be found sold separately. They are more expensive, but well worth it. Make sure you get extras... They get clogged up with debris eventually, and cleaning is not very effective.

If you have an AR15, you might consider a conversion kit.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:46:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
A manual loading rifle (bolt, lever, pump) are best for initial lessons.

How old are the children? If <10 a youth model with shorter length of pull will help with developing good form (but will suck for you) CZ-452 Scout, Henry Lever Youth

If <7 look at a Henry Mini-bolt

Ruger Bearcat has worked well for introducing children to handguns.



Or pick up a Marlin 25N bolt gun at a pawn shop for 100 bucks that is very accurate. You can find some very nice .22 rifles at pawn shops for next to nothing.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:47:20 AM EST
10/22 if you want a semi; the GSG-5 is sh*t imo (yes, i've owned/shot both very extensively)
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:49:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By Sig_Fan:
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
A manual loading rifle (bolt, lever, pump) are best for initial lessons.

How old are the children? If <10 a youth model with shorter length of pull will help with developing good form (but will suck for you) CZ-452 Scout, Henry Lever Youth

If <7 look at a Henry Mini-bolt

Ruger Bearcat has worked well for introducing children to handguns.



Or pick up a Marlin 25N bolt gun at a pawn shop for 100 bucks that is very accurate. You can find some very nice .22 rifles at pawn shops for next to nothing.



If you are looking at used the list gets longer than I'm willing to type.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:50:56 AM EST
If you want a bolt action I'd go with a Savage Mk II
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:51:41 AM EST
Semi mag cap?What is the largest?
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:55:21 AM EST
If you're feeling nostaligic, hard to wrong with a Marlin 39A. 10 minute's work will also rid you of that silly rebounding hammer. They aren't exactly cheap, though, and it's tough to find one in the used-gun rack.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:57:09 AM EST
cz452 american.......
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:57:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By jwr6:
If you're feeling nostaligic, hard to wrong with a Marlin 39A. 10 minute's work will also rid you of that silly rebounding hammer. They aren't exactly cheap, though, and it's tough to find one in the used-gun rack.


No shit.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 9:59:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By NIGHTSTALKER_O6:
Originally Posted By jwr6:
If you're feeling nostaligic, hard to wrong with a Marlin 39A. 10 minute's work will also rid you of that silly rebounding hammer. They aren't exactly cheap, though, and it's tough to find one in the used-gun rack.


No shit.


There is a good reason for that.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:00:13 AM EST
10/22. Almost as many aftermarket accessories as AR's.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:01:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By humby45:
If you want a bolt action I'd go with a Savage Mk II


Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:01:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By doggscube:
CZ-452, pick your flavor.


That's the way I'd go on a new one.

Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:02:13 AM EST
10/22 w/ Tech Sight FTMFW! Seriously the best training option out there right now. You should also look into the Appleseed program. Free for anyone under 21, females and military, too.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=11&t=222026
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:02:26 AM EST
I love my Henry lever action. It'll eat anything I throw at it.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:03:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 11:40:44 AM EST by Iggyort]
Dupe


Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:04:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 11:41:13 AM EST by Iggyort]
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:06:33 AM EST
Any confirmed 39a owners compare a Henry?And my mag semi question still stands.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:06:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 10:09:34 AM EST by NeedMoreAmmo]
Marlin 39a and don't look back.

ETA - I like the looks of the Henrys but haven't shot one since I have the Marlin.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:07:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 10:09:38 AM EST by MRW]
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:10:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By KC-10Boom:
The 10/22 is a tinkerer's dream, but if you want a rifle that's quite accurate out of the box, the Marlin Model 60 can't be beat for it's price.

If you want a bolt gun, take a look at the offerings from Savage. Best bang for your rimfire buck when it comes to bolt actions.


Marlin 60 is one of the guns I learned on back in the '80s. IMO it's a much better youth gun than the 10/22. Check out the savage cub & Mark I-GY too.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:23:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By NIGHTSTALKER_O6:
Any confirmed 39a owners compare a Henry?And my mag semi question still stands.



I have a Henry lever youth for the kids and two 39d's (first gun I had was a 39d but I don't have that one) I had a 39m (gave it as a gift to a friend who had to have it) and a 39 Carbine (traded it for a USP).

Henry isn't close, it is a functional rifle but there are reasons it is considerably less expensive: materials, design, fit and finish... The Marlin 39 wins in any way you can compare them except price.

The Marlin 39 in various forms has been manufactured virtually unchanged consistently since 1891 for good reason they are very nice well designed rifles.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:30:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
Originally Posted By NIGHTSTALKER_O6:
Any confirmed 39a owners compare a Henry?And my mag semi question still stands.



I have a Henry lever youth for the kids and two 39d's (first gun I had was a 39d but I don't have that one) I had a 39m (gave it as a gift to a friend who had to have it) and a 39 Carbine (traded it for a USP).

Henry isn't close, it is a functional rifle but there are reasons it is considerably less expensive: materials, design, fit and finish... The Marlin 39 wins in any way you can compare them except price.

The Marlin 39 in various forms has been manufactured virtually unchanged consistently since 1891 for good reason they are very nice well designed rifles.


OK that answers that;now high cap mag semi question still remains.Almost bought that 60 at WallyWorld for $207 today.Worth it?
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:32:15 AM EST
To the OP-cz452 american.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:36:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By NIGHTSTALKER_O6:
Originally Posted By 1776-1865_RIP:
Originally Posted By NIGHTSTALKER_O6:
Any confirmed 39a owners compare a Henry?And my mag semi question still stands.



I have a Henry lever youth for the kids and two 39d's (first gun I had was a 39d but I don't have that one) I had a 39m (gave it as a gift to a friend who had to have it) and a 39 Carbine (traded it for a USP).

Henry isn't close, it is a functional rifle but there are reasons it is considerably less expensive: materials, design, fit and finish... The Marlin 39 wins in any way you can compare them except price.

The Marlin 39 in various forms has been manufactured virtually unchanged consistently since 1891 for good reason they are very nice well designed rifles.


OK that answers that;now high cap mag semi question still remains.Almost bought that 60 at WallyWorld for $207 today.Worth it?



10/22s have some 50 and IIRC 75rd mags but the highest capacity I own are 30rd eagles. Older 60 / 75c / 99 / 990s are a bit better if you can find one for sale but the new ones are fun very accurate and worth what you pay for them.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:50:17 AM EST
I'd pick the Marlin 795 even though they use clips instead of magazines.

Model 795 features an 18" barrel, 10-shot clip magazine, and an automatic "last-shot" bolt hold-open. Its stock is black fiberglass-reinforced synthetic with molded-in checkering and swivel studs. It's fitted with an adjustable open rear sight and a ramp front sight.

Marlin 795

I have one and its my favorite .22 now. Light and compact, it's what I grap in the middle of the night to check out strange critter noices. I have a 10/22 and a model 60 also.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:50:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 10:53:14 AM EST by marksman121]
513T, You won't regret it.



Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:55:56 AM EST
Marlin 60 or Ruger 10/22

HH
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 10:57:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2009 11:40:22 AM EST by mousehunter]
Savage Mark II-FVT. Will out shoot a 10-22 any day. For the price is a value - and a good teaching tool. It is not an Ansultz, but it is very good for the price. ($401 is msrp - our program gets them for closer to $250, and the sights are probably worth 1/2 of that).
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fwiw I own a 10/22. I had a chance to shoot the Mark II at an instructor training class. I shot plenty of tricked out 10/22's and several Ansultz (including an Olympic - with about a 2oz trigger pull). No matter which tricked out 10/22 I shot, it still had a 10/22 trigger (even the ones with aftermarket triggers - still felt like a 10/22 trigger). They are fun and all for blasting, but for any target fun - the trigger is crap. Off a bag I have no doubt that the Ansultz are more accurate (I managed to stack one when sighting it in), but freehand I utterly loved that Mark II. I have no excuse to get one at the moment, but will probably risk the wife and try to sneak one into the safe by the end of summer (abet that space is tight since the wife just figured out I spent $600 on that last browning buckmark).
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 11:04:44 AM EST
a 10/22 is a great choice in my opinion, it has lots of options for it, go with a wood stock and it looks like a 'fudd friendly' gun, useful for introducing people to firearms, that you can later make look like an EBR with whatever crazy crap you want to throw on it. It also requires less maintenance than any other .22 my friends own including a leaver action, a bolt action and two (older model) Marlin's, but maybe they all suck at maintaining them...

the Marlin's I've shot shoot well, I just don't like their iron sights and internal tubular magazines (might be harder to reload for the young ones) and I never feel comfortable reaching towards the end of the barrel to reload it.

if you're not too worried about the aesthetics of an EBR, you could also consider a GSG5, if you plan to eventually get them into shooting other things, but there are probably better alternatives.

if you decide on a bolt action .22, you could use subsonic ammo that wont properly cycle in semi-autos, you barely even hear the action move.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 11:21:32 AM EST
Hands down, get the 10/22.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 11:23:57 AM EST
Walmart Special 10/22 with the 22" barrel and nicer stock.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 11:29:18 AM EST
10/22
Spikes Tactical ST-22 .22LR Upper

I have both. The Spikes AR in .22LR sees far more use than the 10/22.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 11:32:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
10/22 would be my choice, or a Henry lever action.


there is your answer. I would add a Savage Mark II to the list also.
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 11:37:22 AM EST
In order of preference: Henry, Marlin 60, Ruger 10-22
Link Posted: 6/17/2009 11:42:06 AM EST
Rem 597 was about as inexpensive as it guys. 10/22s are a little nicer but I'm satisfied with my 597, especially considering I got it new-in-box at a Bass Pro for under $100.
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