You will not believe the results of THIS study!

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Posted: 3/22/2006 5:31:59 AM EDT

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How to spot a baby conservative
Whiny children, claims a new study, tend to grow up rigid and traditional. Future liberals, on the other hand ...
Mar. 19, 2006. 10:45 AM
KURT KLEINER
SPECIAL TO THE STAR

Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.

At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.

The study from the Journal of Research Into Personality isn't going to make the UC Berkeley professor who published it any friends on the right. Similar conclusions a few years ago from another academic saw him excoriated on right-wing blogs, and even led to a Congressional investigation into his research funding.

But the new results are worth a look. In the 1960s Jack Block and his wife and fellow professor Jeanne Block (now deceased) began tracking more than 100 nursery school kids as part of a general study of personality. The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months. There's no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings — the investigators were not looking at political orientation back then. Even if they had been, it's unlikely that 3- and 4-year-olds would have had much idea about their political leanings.

A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective.

Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country. But within his sample, he says, the results hold. He reasons that insecure kids look for the reassurance provided by tradition and authority, and find it in conservative politics. The more confident kids are eager to explore alternatives to the way things are, and find liberal politics more congenial.

In a society that values self-confidence and out-goingness, it's a mostly flattering picture for liberals. It also runs contrary to the American stereotype of wimpy liberals and strong conservatives.

Of course, if you're studying the psychology of politics, you shouldn't be surprised to get a political reaction. Similar work by John T. Jost of Stanford and colleagues in 2003 drew a political backlash. The researchers reviewed 44 years worth of studies into the psychology of conservatism, and concluded that people who are dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and who crave order and structure are more likely to gravitate to conservatism. Critics branded it the "conservatives are crazy" study and accused the authors of a political bias.

Jost welcomed the new study, saying it lends support to his conclusions. But Jeff Greenberg, a social psychologist at the University of Arizona who was critical of Jost's study, was less impressed.

"I found it to be biased, shoddy work, poor science at best," he said of the Block study. He thinks insecure, defensive, rigid people can as easily gravitate to left-wing ideologies as right-wing ones. He suspects that in Communist China, those kinds of people would likely become fervid party members.

The results do raise some obvious questions. Are nursery school teachers in the conservative heartland cursed with classes filled with little proto-conservative whiners?

Or does an insecure little boy raised in Idaho or Alberta surrounded by conservatives turn instead to liberalism?

Or do the whiny kids grow up conservative along with the majority of their more confident peers, while only the kids with poor impulse control turn liberal?

Part of the answer is that personality is not the only factor that determines political leanings. For instance, there was a .27 correlation between being self-reliant in nursery school and being a liberal as an adult. Another way of saying it is that self-reliance predicts statistically about 7 per cent of the variance between kids who became liberal and those who became conservative. (If every self-reliant kid became a liberal and none became conservatives, it would predict 100 per cent of the variance). Seven per cent is fairly strong for social science, but it still leaves an awful lot of room for other influences, such as friends, family, education, personal experience and plain old intellect.

For conservatives whose feelings are still hurt, there is a more flattering way for them to look at the results. Even if they really did tend to be insecure complainers as kids, they might simply have recognized that the world is a scary, unfair place.

Their grown-up conclusion that the safest thing is to stick to tradition could well be the right one. As for their "rigidity," maybe that's just moral certainty.

The grown-up liberal men, on the other hand, with their introspection and recognition of complexity in the world, could be seen as self-indulgent and ineffectual.

Whether anyone's feelings are hurt or not, the work suggests that personality and emotions play a bigger role in our political leanings than we think. All of us, liberal or conservative, feel as though we've reached our political opinions by carefully weighing the evidence and exercising our best judgment. But it could be that all of that careful reasoning is just after-the-fact self-justification. What if personality forms our political outlook, with reason coming along behind, rationalizing after the fact?

It could be that whom we vote for has less to do with our judgments about tax policy or free trade or health care, and more with the personalities we've been stuck with since we were kids.

Kurt Kleiner is a Toronto-based freelance science writer.

I guess it just proves that Liberalism is a degenerative mental disease, and Conservatism is the result of growing up and dealing with reality as an adult!

Posted: 3/22/2006 5:38:45 AM EDT

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www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=447533

Posted: 3/22/2006 5:39:40 AM EDT

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I just don't believe it!!!

Posted: 3/22/2006 5:43:11 AM EDT

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So the outgoing independent "liberals" are also the ones who continually push for MORE government hand holding and nanny programs......
His results dont match real world facts.

Posted: 3/22/2006 5:47:47 AM EDT

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Liberalism is a mental disease. They are just looking for new ways to make themselves feel superior.

Posted: 3/22/2006 5:52:41 AM EDT

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Quoted:
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Ooops.

Posted: 3/22/2006 5:56:03 AM EDT

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Another stupid study to prove a point that doesn't exist.

Wow, only 40 years to figure out kids from conservative households in Berkley in the 60's didn't fit in.

Now tell me again how liberals are he man types. What a laugh.

Tj

Posted: 3/22/2006 5:56:55 AM EDT

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As soon as I read 'Berkeley" in the study, that said it all for me.

Posted: 3/22/2006 5:59:25 AM EDT

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So....

Active, difficult, "whiny", rambunctious children grow up to be conservative.

Dull, shy, passive, easy to herd kids grow up to be liberals.

Makes sense to me.

Posted: 3/22/2006 6:01:43 AM EDT

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Talk about bias. So conservatives are rigid and unfomfortable, and liberals are bright and have wide interests, huh?

Posted: 3/22/2006 6:08:25 AM EDT

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Quoted:
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www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=447533

Ooops.

Not so much a dupe though. For a Canadian journalist, I was quite impressed. The overall quality of the article and analysis was orders of magnitiude bette rthan the original article. The author actually brought up and discussed many of the points of contention Arfcommers did in the original post.

Posted: 3/22/2006 6:18:08 AM EDT

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Somebody has to do it.

DUPE!

Posted: 3/22/2006 6:19:58 AM EDT

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You see these academic articles every now and then, and usually from UC Berkeley, about how holding conservative opinions is a pathological psychology.

Posted: 3/22/2006 6:20:55 AM EDT

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Old news

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=447533&page=2

Posted: 3/22/2006 8:36:45 PM EDT

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A .27 (oops, 0.27) correlation is not much of a correlation. I would be embarrassed to put any conclusions with that kind of correlation to print.

Social and Science do not belong in the same sentence.

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