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Posted: 11/25/2014 3:01:57 PM EDT
This was distributed to me about two weeks ago, and is approved for public release and has unlimited distribution. I figured with the talk on here about the F35, what better place.
This info highlights for instance; Current delivery stats, planned quantities, cost, specs of the A/B/C variants, and program highlights by year.. ENJOY!!! F-35 Lightning II Program Status and Fast Facts Program Status • SDD flight test activity totals for 2014 as of September 30, are provided below: o F-35A Flight Science aircraft have flown 156 times o F-35B Flight Science aircraft have completed 261 flights o F-35C Flight Science aircraft have flown 201 times o The Mission Systems Test Aircraft have flown 387 times • Since December 2006, F-35s have flown more than 21,000 cumulative flight hours. F-35 Delivery Status 107 F-35s have been delivered to the Department of Defense as of July 22: • 87 Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) Aircraft o 45 F-35As (including two international aircraft) o 34 F-35Bs (including three international aircraft) o 8 F-35Cs • 20 System Development and Demonstration (SDD) aircraft complete the test and development fleet: o There are four F-35As assigned to Edwards AFB, Calif., and five F-35Bs along with four F-35Cs stationed at PAX River NAS, Md. This count includes six static aircraft and AA-1. • The Department of the Navy decided to base F-35C aircraft at NAS Lemoore, California. (announced Oct. 2) • The second F-35A Lightning II for the Royal Australian Air Force made its first flight (Oct. 1) • The Royal Australian Air Force’s first F-35A made its debut flight (Sept. 29) • Maj. Gen. Jay Silveria became the first DOD general officer to complete qualification training in the F-35 (Sept. 26) • South Korea formally announced on Wednesday that it would buy 40 F-35A fighter jets (Sept. 24) • Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501 executed the first F-35B flight supported entirely by Marine maintenance (Sept. 4) • BAE Systems signed an agreement to provide advanced manufactured components for the F-35 as part of a long-term arrangement with Northrop Grumman (announced Sept. 2) • Luke AFB launched 100th F-35 sortie (Aug. 26) • U.S. Army selected for F-35 software assessment (Aug. 12) • First pipeline class of F-35 crew chiefs graduated from Eglin AFB training center (Aug. 7) Planned Quantities* USAF 1,763 F-35As USN 260 F-35Cs USMC 340 F-35Bs/80 F-35Cs U.K. RAF/RN 138 F-35Bs Italy 60 F-35As/30 F-35Bs Netherlands 37 F-35As Turkey 100 F-35As Australia 100 F-35As Norway 52 F-35As Denmark 30 F-35As Canada 65 F-35As Israel 19 F-35As S. Korea 40 F-35As Current as of October 8, 2014 Produced by Lockheed Martin F-35 Communications Team Distribution Statement A: Approved for public release; distribution is unlimited. Japan 42 F-35As *Based on current programs of record. Funding • Long-lead funding LRIP lot 9 (57 aircraft) • Long-Lead funding LRIP lot 8 (43 aircraft) • Full funding approved for LRIP lots 6&7 (71 aircraft) • Full funding approved for LRIP lot 5 (32 aircraft) • Full funding approved for LRIP lot 4 (32 aircraft) • Full funding approved for LRIP lot 3 (17 aircraft) • Full funding approved for LRIP lot 2 (12 aircraft) • Full funding approved for LRIP lot 1 (2 aircraft) Cost • The U.S. DOD announced an agreement aimed at reducing the price of an F-35 to the equivalent of today's 4th generation fighters by the end of the decade known as Blueprint for Affordability on July 10. • The U.S. government has stated the projected cost of an F-35 purchased in 2018 will be $85 million. That’s the equivalent of $75 million today. • More than $500 million reduction in concurrency costs over the first five production lot contracts. • Unit costs have dropped more than 55 percent since the procurement of the first production aircraft. • The average aircraft unit cost for an LRIP 6 aircraft is approximately 2.5 percent lower than LRIP 5 aircraft. An LRIP 7 aircraft has an average unit cost approximately six percent lower than LRIP 5 aircraft. • LRIP 6 Aircraft Costs (not including engine): o 23 F-35As CTOL - $103 million/jet o 6 F-35B STOVL - $109 million/jet o 7 F-35C CV - $120 million/jet • LRIP 7 Aircraft Costs (not including engine): o 24 F-35As CTOL - $98 million/jet o 7 F-35B STOVL - $104 million/jet o 4 F-35C CV - $116 million/jet F-35 Quantities by Variant and Country for LRIP 1 - 8 LRIP 1 (2 Total) - 2 U.S. / 0 International United States o 2 F-35A CTOL for the U.S. Air Force LRIP 2 (12 Total) - 12 U.S. / 0 International United States o 6 F-35A CTOL for the U.S. Air Force o 6 F-35B STOVL for the U.S. Marine Corps LRIP 3 (17 Total) - 14 U.S. / 3 International United States o 7 F-35A CTOL for the U.S. Air Force o 7 F-35B STOVL for the U.S. Marine Corps International o 1 F-35A CTOL for the Netherlands o 2 F-35B STOVL for UK LRIP 4 (32 Total) - 30 U.S. / 2 International United States o 10 F-35A CTOL for the U.S. Air Force o 16 F-35B STOVL for the U.S. Marine Corps o 4 F-35C CV for the U.S. Navy International o 1 F-35A CTOL for the Netherlands o 1 F-35B STOVL for the UK Current as of October 8, 2014 Produced by Lockheed Martin F-35 Communications Team Distribution Statement A: Approved for public release; distribution is unlimited. LRIP 5 (32 Total) - 32 U.S. / 0 International United States o 22 F-35A CTOL for the U.S. Air Force o 3 F-35B STOVL for the U.S. Marine Corps o 7 F-35C CV for the U.S. Navy LRIP 6 (36 Total) - 31 U.S. / 5 International United States o 18 F-35A CTOL for the U.S. Air Force o 6 F-35B STOVL for the U.S. Marine Corps o 7 F-35C CV for the U.S. Navy International o 3 F-35A CTOL for Italy o 2 F-35A CTOL for Australia LRIP 7 (35 Total) - 29 U.S. / 6 International United States o 19 F-35A CTOL for the U.S. Air Force o 6 F-35B STOVL for the U.S. Marine Corps o 4 F-35C CV for the U.S. Navy International o 3 F-35A CTOL for Italy o 2 F-35A CTOL for Norway o 1 F-35B STOVL for the UK LRIP 8 (43 Total) - 29 U.S. / 14 International (4 UK, 2 Norway, 2 Italy, 4 Japan, 2 Israel) United States o 19 F-35A CTOL for the USAF o 6 F-35B for the U.S. Marine Corps o 4 F-35C for the U.S. Navy International o 4 F-35B STOV for UK o 2 F-35A CTOL for Norway o 2 F-35A CTOL for Italy o 4 F-35A CTOL for Japan o 2 F-35A CTOL for Israel F-35 Specifications F-35A CTOL F-35B STOVL F-35C CV Length 51.4 ft / 15.7 m 51.2 ft / 15.6 m 51.5 ft / 15.7 m Height 14.4 ft / 4.38 m 14.3 ft / 4.36 m 14.7 ft / 4.48 m Wingspan 35 ft / 10.7 m 35 ft / 10.7 m 43 ft / 13.1 m Wing area 460 ft2 / 42.7 m2 460 ft2 / 42.7 m2 668 ft2 / 62.1 m2 Horizontal tail span 22.5 ft / 6.86 m 21.8 ft / 6.65 m 26.3 ft / 8.02 m Weight empty 29,300 lb 32,300 lb 34,800 lb Internal fuel capacity 18,250 lb / 8278 kg 13,500 lb / 6,125 kg 19,750 lb / 8,960kg Weapons payload 18,000 lb / 8,160 kg 15,000 lb / 6,800kg 18,000 lb / 8,160 kg Standard internal weapons load • 25 mm GAU-22/A cannon • Two AIM-120C air-to-air missiles • Two 2,000-pound GBU-31 JDAM guided bombs • Two AIM-120C air-to-air missiles • Two 1,000-pound GBU-32 JDAM guided bombs • Two AIM-120C air-to-air missiles • Two 2,000-pound GBU-31 JDAM guided bombs Maximum weight 70,000 lb class 60,000 lb class 70,000 lb class Propulsion* (uninstalled F135-PW-100 40,000 lbs Max. F135-PW-600 40,000 lbs Max. F135-PW-100 40,000 lbs Max. (thrust ratings) 25,000 lbs Mil. Vertical N/A 25,000 lbs Mil. 40,500 lbs Vertical 25,000 lbs Mil. Vertical N/A Speed (full internal weapons load) Mach 1.6 (~1,200 mph) Mach 1.6 (~1,200 mph) Mach 1.6 (~1,200 mph) Combat radius (internal fuel) >590 nm / 1,093 km >450 nm / 833 km >600 n.mi / 1,100 km Range (internal fuel) >1,200 nm / 2,200 km >900 nm / 1,667 km >1,200 n.mi / 2,200 km Max g-rating 9.0 7.0 7.5 *Maximum Power (Max) = with afterburner; Military Power (Mil) = without afterburner; Vertical = without afterburner Program Highlights by Year • 2001 –The Pentagon announced that an international team led by Lockheed Martin won the competition to build the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). The X-35B takes off and lands vertically for the first time. • 2002 – Canada, Denmark, Norway, Italy, Turkey, Australia and the Netherlands join F-35 partnership. • 2003 – Production of first F-35 major airframe components begins. Lockheed Martin completes the first F-35 hardware delivery with the installation of LM-STAR™. • 2004 – Assembly begins on the first F-35 in Fort Worth. Engineers remove more than 2,700 pounds of unwanted estimated weight from the short-takeoff/vertical-landing (STOVL) variant. • 2005 – Lockheed Martin and Pratt & Whitney successfully perform the first start of an F-35 aircraft test engine. The first F-35 completes assembly of major structural components in Fort Worth. • 2006 – The U.S. Navy dedicated a $24 million facility at NAS Patuxent River, Md., for testing of the Navy and Marine Corps’ jets. The first F-35 is completed on schedule and moves from the factory for ground testing. The F-35 is officially named Lightning II. The Netherlands becomes the first partner nation to extend its participation into the production and support phase of the program. AA-1 completes its inaugural flight. • 2007 – Electrical power is applied to the F-35B for the first time. The F-35B makes its debut amid customers from the U.S. Marine Corps, the U.K.’s Royal Navy and Royal Air Force, and the Italian Air Force and Navy at a rollout ceremony in Fort Worth. • 2008 – The shaft-driven lift fan propulsion system operates for the first time in the aircraft during ground testing. The F-35B flies for the first time. The first F-35 finishes all planned testing at Edwards AFB. The F-35 flies supersonic for the first time. Lockheed Martin rolls out the first weight-optimized CTOL variant. • 2009 – The U.K. announces they will purchase three F-35B operational test aircraft. A ceremony in Fort Worth marks the rollout of the U.S. Navy’s first F-35C. The first F-35B arrives at NAS Patuxent River. • 2010 – An F-35B completes a vertical landing for the first time. F-35A successfully completes full-scale static testing. The F-35B flies faster than the speed of sound for the first time. The Government of Canada announces plans to acquire the F-35. F-35 center wing production operations begin in Marietta. Israel becomes the first country to receive the F-35 through the U.S. government’s Foreign Military Sales process. “Block 1,” the first of three principal software-development blocks for the F-35’s mission systems, made its inaugural flight. • 2011 – The U.S. Air Force accepts the first production-model F-35. F-35 successfully completes static structural testing. BF-2 successfully executed a vertical landing on the deck of the USS WASP. AF-1 achieves the maximum design limit Mach number for F-35, Mach 1.6. Japan announces that the F-35 has been selected as the country’s next generation fighter. • 2012 – The first night flight in the history of the F-35 program was completed at Edwards AFB. An F-35A flew the first external weapons test mission in F-35 program history. The program completed in-flight refueling of an F-35B STOVL while configured with external weapons. Norway orders its first F-35. The first international F-35 was delivered to the U.K. Luke AFB selected for F-35A Pilot Training. Operational Utility Evaluation at Eglin Air Force Base successfully completed. F-35 completes more than 5,000 flight hours. AETC declares Eglin AFB ready for training. • 2013 – F-35 completes first in-flight dual refueling. 100th F-35 completes production in Fort Worth. F-35A completes 3-year clean wing flutter testing. First F-35C production model delivered. The first four F-35s arrive at Nellis AFB for operational testing. Marine Corps’ conduct first operational F-35B vertical landing. U.K. announces RAF Marham in Norfolk as home for F-35. First international student flies F-35. U.S. services declare IOC dates. F-35A completed its first in-flight missile launch with AIM-120 C5 AAVI. Australia recommitted to their program of record which includes purchasing 100 aircraft beginning in LRIP 10. $4.5 billion reduction in acquisition, operating and support costs reflected in the SAR 12. Cameri, Italy, FACO operations commenced in July. Netherlands officially announces F-35 win in fighter replacement competition. Contract agreements for LRIP 6 and 7 were signed for 71 aircraft. F-35B completes successful ship suitability testing aboard USS Wasp. An F-35B successfully employed a GBU-32 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) weapon against a fixed ground test target. The first Netherlands F-35 pilot took to the skies. Lockheed Martin celebrated the inauguration of the 100th F-35 • 2014 – Royal Air Force Squadron Leader Hugh Nichols, an instructor pilot, completed the U.K.’s first F-35B vertical landing at Eglin AFB. The first F-35A with a Magellan-manufactured horizontal tail assembly successfully flew for the first time. The names of the first two Australian pilots selected to undergo training in the U.S. on the F-35A announced. The first Alenia Aermacchi-manufactured wing components installed flew on AF-44. Luke AFB received their first of 144 F-35s in March. Republic of Korea selected F-35A to replace their fighter fleet. Eglin AFB began night training program. Eglin surpassed 100 pilots and 1,000 maintainers trained. U.K. Ministry of Defense announced F-35 participation in first international airshows in July. Australia announces additional procurement of 58 aircraft. The Turkish Ministry of Defence announced its intent to purchase the country's first two F-35As. An F-35B sequentially engaged two aerial targets with two AIM-120 AMRAAMs for the first time during a Weapon Delivery Accuracy mission. The final F-35A delivered to Eglin AFB, marking the 58th Fighter Squadron as the first complete Air Force F-35A squadron. U.S. DOD announced an agreement aimed at reducing the price of an F-35 to the equivalent of today's 4th generation fighters by the end of the decade known as Blueprint for Affordability. The first F-35B assigned to VMFAT-501 arrived at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort. The F-35B completed required wet runway and crosswind testing at Edwards Air Force Base, California Produced by Lockheed Martin F-35 Communications Team Distribution Statement A: Approved for public release; distribution is unlimited. |
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It will never be as good as the Eurofighter / F18 / Hind / Sopwith Camel. ETA: Forgot to add the Typhoon in there also. |
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Wow a wall of text copy / pasted out of a technical manual sucks way more than the normal variety wall of text...
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I would stack a fleet of updated to todays engines, avionics, and radar avoiding wrap the F-4, F-15 . for all the cost
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To the op, I wish you and your coworkers all the best. I hope the F-35 succeeds at this point and it's performance in all areas is to spec or better than expected. Also, I love the Typhoon too. http://www.ausairpower.net/JOW/Typhoon-DD-RIAT-2009-JOW-1S.jpg View Quote I agree, this is one of the sexiest planes to ever exist, alongside the F4, B1, F4U, and F22 |
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to sum up.
Still doesn't work, still buying as many as we can. |
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how many have we shipped to ISIS and Muslim Brotherhood so far?
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I still want the answer to two questions.
When will we be able to load the frames we already have with live ordnance and send them to an active trouble spot to kill people? Mali, Iraq, etc. How many can do so? |
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I still want the answer to two questions. When will we be able to load the frames we already have with live ordinance and send them to an active trouble spot to kill people? Mali, Iraq, etc. How many can do so? View Quote Later Not enough (so we need to buy more. many, many more) |
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$109 million without an engine. Can't do much without an engine. That's how they get you to think the prices are lower than they actually are. "See, it's only $109 million per plane!!"
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Quoted: Later Not enough (so we need to buy more. many, many more) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I still want the answer to two questions. When will we be able to load the frames we already have with live ordinance and send them to an active trouble spot to kill people? Mali, Iraq, etc. How many can do so? Later Not enough (so we need to buy more. many, many more) drop a bit if we tacked about 600 onto Singapore's order.
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OP...by saying you work them...fly, maint?
Just curious...I have been involved with the PW engine design team since 2004. Specifically the compressor and diffuser sections. |
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Good stuff OP. Fuck the haters.
STOVL is Short Take Off Vertical Landing, yes? CTOL is ??? CV is ??? |
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Too bad we couldn't just pump out the 400 C models and 300 B models for the USN and USMC before we bought anymore A models. Then the USAF could just say, "We were just kidding, we really don't want 1800 of these POS.....lets just start over." (Or even just purchase modern F-15s with fresh avionics instead)
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Good stuff OP. Fuck the haters. STOVL is Short Take Off Vertical Landing, yes? CTOL is ??? CV is ??? clearly an expert on the subject. clearly not a know-it-all going to ignorevile |
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I agree, this is one of the sexiest planes to ever exist, alongside the F4, B1, F4U, and F22 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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To the op, I wish you and your coworkers all the best. I hope the F-35 succeeds at this point and it's performance in all areas is to spec or better than expected. Also, I love the Typhoon too. http://www.ausairpower.net/JOW/Typhoon-DD-RIAT-2009-JOW-1S.jpg I agree, this is one of the sexiest planes to ever exist, alongside the F4, B1, F4U, and F22 Corsair, literally an erection with bent wings. I'll be in my bunk... |
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OP...by saying you work them...fly, maint? Just curious...I have been involved with the PW engine design team since 2004. Specifically the compressor and diffuser sections. Maintain them. Specs.. Avionics.. Do you get to talk to the pilots about their opinion of the aircraft? |
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Whether it's here to stay with us I can't say, but being in on the ground floor for standing up this squadron at Nellis, military wise, I think is AWESOME!!!
I live for this shit, I'll die for it too. |
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Is this information that is public?
Seems a bit too specific & detailed to be public domain information. |
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Do you get to talk to the pilots about their opinion of the aircraft? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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OP...by saying you work them...fly, maint? Just curious...I have been involved with the PW engine design team since 2004. Specifically the compressor and diffuser sections. Maintain them. Specs.. Avionics.. Do you get to talk to the pilots about their opinion of the aircraft? Everyday.. Bc the airframe is so limited in what it can do, and yes its still in the testing phase, there opinion is less than spectacular. However, phase two is on its way, and then we get up the limits. They as well as us maintainers are looking forward to that. We can get some real data to report and use then! |
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Is this information that is public? Seems a bit too specific & detailed to be public domain information. View Quote On the distro I got released to me it says at the bottom of every page. This: Produced by Lockheed Martin F-35 Communications Team Distribution Statement A: Approved for public release; distribution is unlimited. |
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I was lucky enough to land a summer 2015 internship at Lockheed at the Fort Worth location. I will be doing purchasing/procurement for components for all new aircraft (F16, F35, C-130). To say that I am pretty excited is an understatement!
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Good stuff OP. Fuck the haters. STOVL is Short Take Off Vertical Landing, yes? CTOL is ??? CV is ??? clearly an expert on the subject. clearly not a know-it-all going to ignorevile LULZ X 2. |
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On the distro I got released to me it says at the bottom of every page. This: Produced by Lockheed Martin F-35 Communications Team Distribution Statement A: Approved for public release; distribution is unlimited. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is this information that is public? Seems a bit too specific & detailed to be public domain information. On the distro I got released to me it says at the bottom of every page. This: Produced by Lockheed Martin F-35 Communications Team Distribution Statement A: Approved for public release; distribution is unlimited. That document is on their website too. https://www.f35.com/assets/uploads/downloads/13567/f-35fast_factsnovember2014.pdf |
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Why does the AF want 1,763 of these? Seems like a lot...... View Quote I read an article several weeks ago by a USAF General (I believe it was Gen. Mike Hostage) who said the F-35A is so outclassed by modern aircraft that it would take eight F-35As to do the same mission that two F-22s could do. The General said that they need each and every one of those F-35As to make up for the unfortunate fact that the F-22 was cancelled. Victory through high numbers of aircraft. |
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I read an article several weeks ago by a USAF General (I believe it was Gen. Mike Hostage) who said the F-35A is so outclassed by modern aircraft that it would take 8x F-35As to do the same mission that 2x F-22s could do. The General said that they need each and every one of those F-35As to make up for the unfortunate fact that the F-22 was cancelled. Victory through high numbers of aircraft. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why does the AF want 1,763 of these? Seems like a lot...... I read an article several weeks ago by a USAF General (I believe it was Gen. Mike Hostage) who said the F-35A is so outclassed by modern aircraft that it would take 8x F-35As to do the same mission that 2x F-22s could do. The General said that they need each and every one of those F-35As to make up for the unfortunate fact that the F-22 was cancelled. Victory through high numbers of aircraft. The interview is here. He said: Originally Posted By Gen. Hostage:
The plan is to normalize the Lightning’s capability relative to the Raptor by marrying it up with six, or seven or eight other Lightnings. The advanced fusion of the F-35 versus the F-22 means those airplanes have an equal level or better level of invulnerability than the Raptors have, but it takes multiple airplanes to do it because of the synergistic fused attacks of their weapon systems. That’s the magic of the fifth-gen F-35, but it takes numbers of F-35s to get that effect. That’s why I’ve been so strident on getting the full buy. Because if they whittle it down to a little tiny fleet like the Raptor, it’s not going to be compelling. An individual F-35 is weak compared to an individual Raptor, but a dozen F-35s working together are just as if not more deadly than a dozen Raptors. |
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Actually, I haven't read that one yet....I was referring to an article dated back to June 2014. This was Gen. Hostage's quote: “The F-35 was fundamentally designed to go do that sort of thing [take out advanced IADS]. The problem is, with the lack of F-22s, I’m going to have to use F-35s in the air superiority role in the early phases as well, which is another reason why I need all 1,763. I’m going to have some F-35s doing air superiority, some doing those early phases of persistent attack, opening the holes, and again, the F-35 is not compelling unless it’s there in numbers,” the general says. “Because it can’t turn and run away, it’s got to have support from other F-35s. So I’m going to need eight F-35s to go after a target that I might only need two Raptors to go after. But the F-35s can be equally or more effective against that site than the Raptor can because of the synergistic effects of the platform.” |
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The interview is here. He said: An individual F-35 is weak compared to an individual Raptor, but a dozen F-35s working together are just as if not more deadly than a dozen Raptors. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why does the AF want 1,763 of these? Seems like a lot...... I read an article several weeks ago by a USAF General (I believe it was Gen. Mike Hostage) who said the F-35A is so outclassed by modern aircraft that it would take 8x F-35As to do the same mission that 2x F-22s could do. The General said that they need each and every one of those F-35As to make up for the unfortunate fact that the F-22 was cancelled. Victory through high numbers of aircraft. The interview is here. He said: Originally Posted By Gen. Hostage:
The plan is to normalize the Lightning’s capability relative to the Raptor by marrying it up with six, or seven or eight other Lightnings. The advanced fusion of the F-35 versus the F-22 means those airplanes have an equal level or better level of invulnerability than the Raptors have, but it takes multiple airplanes to do it because of the synergistic fused attacks of their weapon systems. That’s the magic of the fifth-gen F-35, but it takes numbers of F-35s to get that effect. That’s why I’ve been so strident on getting the full buy. Because if they whittle it down to a little tiny fleet like the Raptor, it’s not going to be compelling. An individual F-35 is weak compared to an individual Raptor, but a dozen F-35s working together are just as if not more deadly than a dozen Raptors. It's all about computing power, datalink, and software. |
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Actually, I haven't read that one yet....I was referring to an article dated back to June 2014. This was Gen. Hostage's quote: View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Actually, I haven't read that one yet....I was referring to an article dated back to June 2014. This was Gen. Hostage's quote: “The F-35 was fundamentally designed to go do that sort of thing [take out advanced IADS]. The problem is, with the lack of F-22s, I’m going to have to use F-35s in the air superiority role in the early phases as well, which is another reason why I need all 1,763. I’m going to have some F-35s doing air superiority, some doing those early phases of persistent attack, opening the holes, and again, the F-35 is not compelling unless it’s there in numbers,” the general says. “Because it can’t turn and run away, it’s got to have support from other F-35s. So I’m going to need eight F-35s to go after a target that I might only need two Raptors to go after. But the F-35s can be equally or more effective against that site than the Raptor can because of the synergistic effects of the platform.” Same idea. Two F-35s can't do what two F-22s can (nor can any other aircraft), but 8+ F-35s are equal to the same number of F-22s. The part he left out is that it would require 20+ Eagles and Vipers to hit that same target, and some of them wouldn't make it home. |
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Interesting. I didn't realize how much the F-22 out-performed the F-35 in small numbers.
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OP...by saying you work them...fly, maint? Just curious...I have been involved with the PW engine design team since 2004. Specifically the compressor and diffuser sections. Maintain them. Specs.. Avionics.. Avionics also, but still on 16s. How much easier is it to maintain vs last gen fighters? I have been both backshop and specs, have been hearing rumors that there are "smaller" components. |
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Interesting. I didn't realize how much the F-22 out-performed the F-35 in small numbers. View Quote I don't think it has as much to do with the F-35 getting out-performed as it has to do with the F-22's extraordinary ability to run away very, very fast when things go bad. The F-35A isn't exactly slow, but the Raptor is in a league of its own. |
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yeah no kidding, I'd rather have 50 F-4's for the same cash.
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So to clarify,
87 Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) Aircraft have been delivered? Interesting... |
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Wow a wall of text copy / pasted out of a technical manual sucks way more than the normal variety wall of text... View Quote All that is available at www.f35.com. |
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Only the A model has a gun, and none of them carries more than 2 air-to-air missiles? Do they have really loud speakers to engage enemy pilots with insults and harsh language?
• LRIP 6 Aircraft Costs (not including engine): o 23 F-35As CTOL - $103 million/jet o 6 F-35B STOVL - $109 million/jet o 7 F-35C CV - $120 million/jet • LRIP 7 Aircraft Costs (not including engine): o 24 F-35As CTOL - $98 million/jet o 7 F-35B STOVL - $104 million/jet o 4 F-35C CV - $116 million/jet View Quote I can't imagine a much more useless number than cost of the plain, minus the cost of the most expensive part of the plain. A 2015 F150 would only cost me $15000 (not including drive train). LOOK HOW CHEAP IT IS!!! |
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Avionics also, but still on 16s. How much easier is it to maintain vs last gen fighters? I have been both backshop and specs, have been hearing rumors that there are "smaller" components. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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OP...by saying you work them...fly, maint? Just curious...I have been involved with the PW engine design team since 2004. Specifically the compressor and diffuser sections. Maintain them. Specs.. Avionics.. Avionics also, but still on 16s. How much easier is it to maintain vs last gen fighters? I have been both backshop and specs, have been hearing rumors that there are "smaller" components. Is more of a pull and replace. I can't really go deeper than that.. Not trying to sound like badass here, but for real, some of that is classified. Even to talk about the size of the parts. I wish i could be more helpful.. What base are you home stationed at? |
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If we had a government with an ounce of competency that shitcan would have been canceled a decade ago.
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