What if the South was successful? What would have happened in the years to come? Would the either the North or South have entered World War One? Would the division on the Northa American continent allowed for foreign colonization of the West Coast, perhaps by the Japanese? Would Mexico have owned the current American Southwest?

Might as well asked who was right.

I seriously doubt the South could have stayed independent from the north.

I thought this was going to be about the Toledo War.

We'll get Toledo back, Ohio. Oh yes...

Quoted: Quoted: I thought this was going to be about the Toledo War. We'll get Toledo back, Ohio. Oh yes... You can have it, provided that you take Cleveland too.

Eh, you keep Toledo AND Cleveland, and we'll be happy with the UP.

They never talk about our FIRST civil war...

Quoted: I seriously doubt the South could have stayed independent from the north.

I imagine the two sides would have eventually come back together as well.

This exact question has been posed here before .  It deteriorated into namecalling and general mayhem like all the other Civil War threads .  The mods ought to go ahead and lock it down now . Sorry dude .

It would have been almost impossible for the South to have been successful.  They had one major and a few minor export commodities.  Cotton the major, tobacco and sugar the next largest.  Their major cotton customer was the Brits who were rapidly developing their own cotton sources in Egypt and other places. Tobacco, as you can see from the worlds sugar and tobacco in these days are readily availaable from a lot of sources.  The South had manufacturing manufacturing capability or capacity.  so they still would have to buy most of their railroad and other heavy machinery and iron and steel products from others for some time until the Alabama mills came on line and they would have to buy the initial machinery from others.

They had some leaders who desired to expand Southern style slavery based plantations into other areas.  Not all but some.  Unfortunately there were people there who would not have wanted that, and succinctly they would have run into the Royal Navy, and the spanish Navy and Army.  (Assuming the US forces weren't also involved)  Now if you think the South could have gone up against the Brits and the Spanish when they couldn't build their own ships or small arms or almost anything else?

No the South would not have made it.  They would have remained dependent on the North and Europe for a long time.

Winning the war would have been the absolute worst thing that could have happened to the south.

Quoted: What if the South was successful? What would have happened in the years to come? Would the either the North or South have entered World War One? Would the division on the Northa American continent allowed for foreign colonization of the West Coast, perhaps by the Japanese? Would Mexico have owned the current American Southwest?

The south would have been East Germany to the North's West Germany. The industrial capacity of the North would have chugged right along into the 20th century. The north would have had the economic strength to continue expanding west. The agrarian south would have lagged far behind and most likely have been limited to the old south. Possibly with some of the border states coming to their senses and re joining the Union. Also, once the south gave up slavery, probably by the 1920's, they would have had the burden of millions of un skilled, un educated blacks to contend with.

Quoted: Harry Turtledove has a whole series about this.  .

A huge series, up to like 9 books now
really pretty fascinating and you could see a lot of it happening.
If you really want to have on idea of how it could have gone, start with that.

Quoted: Quoted: What if the South was successful? What would have happened in the years to come? Would the either the North or South have entered World War One? Would the division on the Northa American continent allowed for foreign colonization of the West Coast, perhaps by the Japanese? Would Mexico have owned the current American Southwest? The south would have been East Germany to the North's West Germany. The industrial capacity of the North would have chugged right along into the 20th century. The north would have had the economic strength to continue expanding west. The agrarian south would have lagged far behind and most likely have been limited to the old south. Possibly with some of the border states coming to their senses and re joining the Union. Also, once the south gave up slavery, probably by the 1920's, they would have had the burden of millions of un skilled, un educated blacks to contend with.

      Gotta disagree with that last part . All of the unskilled , uneducated blacks would have moved up North to become wards of the Democratic party .
      The North would still have relied on the South for many agricultural and petroleum products . And don't forget that you can't often find a good bowl of Gumbo North of
 Interstate 20 in Louisiana .  

Quoted: Quoted: I seriously doubt the South could have stayed independent from the north. I imagine the two sides would have eventually come back together as well.

I would guess the chances would have been nearly 100% on reunification if the split had occurred legally without a war being fought. Lincoln really screwed up that bluff. How many great Americans were never born due to our best and brightest being sacrificed?

Quoted: I would guess the chances would have been nearly 100% on reunification if the split had occurred legally without a war being fought. Lincoln really screwed up that bluff. How many great Americans were never born due to our best and brightest being sacrificed?

It's crowded enough around here as it is now.

Quoted: Quoted: What if the South was successful? What would have happened in the years to come? Would the either the North or South have entered World War One? Would the division on the Northa American continent allowed for foreign colonization of the West Coast, perhaps by the Japanese? Would Mexico have owned the current American Southwest? The south would have been East Germany to the North's West Germany. The industrial capacity of the North would have chugged right along into the 20th century. The north would have had the economic strength to continue expanding west. The agrarian south would have lagged far behind and most likely have been limited to the old south. Possibly with some of the border states coming to their senses and re joining the Union. Also, once the south gave up slavery, probably by the 1920's, they would have had the burden of millions of un skilled, un educated blacks to contend with.

Unlike today

Quoted: Quoted: I would guess the chances would have been nearly 100% on reunification if the split had occurred legally without a war being fought. Lincoln really screwed up that bluff. How many great Americans were never born due to our best and brightest being sacrificed? It's crowded enough around here as it is now.

It is the quality of people that makes a difference. You can die here and never be found!

DUPE!!!!

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Quoted: DUPE!!!! ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=521936 ANdy

      YAH THINK ????      Every Civil War thread around here is a dupe . Nothing new
ever comes out . How could it ?  

The North would have been eventually absorbed by Canada.  The South would have liberated Mexico and become the dominant world power today.

Mr. Smith