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Posted: 9/16/2009 4:29:15 AM EDT

Yeah, I know it's Japanese, but hey, it actually worked.

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:35:04 AM EDT

[#1]

Funnier'n hell!

BTW that is not Japanese, it is Korean I think.

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:35:16 AM EDT

[#2]

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:37:00 AM EDT

[#3]

That's pretty cool.

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:37:39 AM EDT

[#4]

High and outside, not a strike.

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:37:48 AM EDT

[#5]

Damn, you could park a bus in that ump's strike zone.

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:38:38 AM EDT

[#6]

Liberal strike zone other there I seee.

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:43:00 AM EDT

[#7]

No, ball must be delivered overhand with the pitcher facing batter if I remember correctly.

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:47:41 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
No, ball must be delivered overhand with the pitcher facing batter if I remember correctly.

By who's rules?

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:49:31 AM EDT

[#9]

That's one big strike zone they have.

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:49:45 AM EDT

[#10]

Major League Baseball.

I will check on Little League rules when I get home tonight.

Posted: 9/16/2009 4:53:58 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Major League Baseball.

I will check on Little League rules when I get home tonight.

You do realize that is not MLB?

Plus I don't see in here http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

And that would excluded submariners if they all had to be overhand.

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:01:29 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Major League Baseball.

I will check on Little League rules when I get home tonight.

You do realize that is not MLB?

Plus I don't see in here http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

And that would excluded submariners if they all had to be overhand.

Uh, yes I do, I need the "that's racist" pic...

MLB 8.05 f. The pitcher delivers the ball to the batter while he is not facing the batter;

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/08_the_pitcher.pdf

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:09:13 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Major League Baseball.

I will check on Little League rules when I get home tonight.

You do realize that is not MLB?

Plus I don't see in here http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

And that would excluded submariners if they all had to be overhand.

Uh, yes I do, I need the "that's racist" pic...

MLB 8.05 f. The pitcher delivers the ball to the batter while he is not facing the batter;

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/08_the_pitcher.pdf

Well I guess that would be up to the interpertation of the umpire but obvisouly they do not follw MLB rules, so to say it is illega,l one would have to know what association it is and the rules they adhere to. THat pitch used to be one of my backyard wiffle ball go-to's.

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:13:04 AM EDT

[#14]

Funny, staged, but funny.

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:20:25 AM EDT

[#15]

So underhand is accepted? May as well play softball...

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:23:59 AM EDT

[#16]

Batter was like "Lol Wut?"

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:24:19 AM EDT

[#17]

OMG a trick eephus pitch!

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:33:43 AM EDT

[#18]

In MLB the pitcher's hand is not allowed to be underneath the ball when thrown. I believe that is the "catch" in the rule. That's why submariners are allowed to throw like they do but softball style is not allowed.

I remember Kirby Puckett on Letterman one night. He was doing a wiffleball hitting demo with Dave pitching. Kirby told Dave not to throw it underhand since he can't hit those. He also said it didn't matter how hard Dave threw it, he could hit. Just always thought it was interesting such an accomplished hitter saying he has trouble hitting a slow toss underhand pitch.

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:35:15 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Major League Baseball.

I will check on Little League rules when I get home tonight.

You do realize that is not MLB?

Plus I don't see in here http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

And that would excluded submariners if they all had to be overhand.

Uh, yes I do, I need the "that's racist" pic...

MLB 8.05 f. The pitcher delivers the ball to the batter while he is not facing the batter;

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/08_the_pitcher.pdf

Well I guess that would be up to the interpertation of the umpire but obvisouly they do not follw MLB rules, so to say it is illega,l one would have to know what association it is and the rules they adhere to. THat pitch used to be one of my backyard wiffle ball go-to's.

I think it would also run afould of this part also: "After assuming Set Position, any natural motion associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits him to the pitch without alteration or interruption."

It also looked like it was not his normal delivery. If it was his normal delivery, after seeing one pitch, any batter worth his salt would completely jack the next pitch. As mentioned, this is saying it wouldn't be legal in MLB. This looked like some sort of exhibition/fun game, so it would be a neat trick pitch there. I think most foreign leagues use our MLB rules, as they are all striving to get here (to MLB).

I'm not sure I would try it when pitching BP to my boys, as I wouldn't want to get inside their head that much, as they are both just starting out, but later when they are teeners, I may have to dig this one out and try it. As you mention, it would be a great wiffle ball pitch, especially to an anxious/over-eager batter.

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:39:22 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Major League Baseball.

I will check on Little League rules when I get home tonight.

You do realize that is not MLB?

Plus I don't see in here http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

And that would excluded submariners if they all had to be overhand.

Uh, yes I do, I need the "that's racist" pic...

MLB 8.05 f. The pitcher delivers the ball to the batter while he is not facing the batter;

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/08_the_pitcher.pdf

Well I guess that would be up to the interpertation of the umpire but obvisouly they do not follw MLB rules, so to say it is illega,l one would have to know what association it is and the rules they adhere to. THat pitch used to be one of my backyard wiffle ball go-to's.

Umpires are human too... we now have instant replay for home runs to be evaluated if need be...

We would need to know the nationality and league rules for that video to be sure, but I would suspect most follow MLB rules. I do know one MLB player that played in Japan (won a golden glove there) so the next time I see him I will ask about Japan.

To narrow it further... MLB 8.05 would make it a "balk" if there were runners on. It however is not a "natural" motion as listed in 8.01 from the "set" or "wind-up" position (unless that is the way that particular pitcher always throws), so the umpire should call it a ball as a deceptive pitch. Going to have to look for that rule now

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:48:11 AM EDT

[#21]

No one would ever be in that kind of wind up with runners on... so the balk point is mute. I mean it really does not matter to me, I was more just trying to point out since it was not MLB, possibly there are different rules that would make this kind of trickery legal. IMO, if you can succesfully do it, it should be allowed. I pitched at a crappy D-1 school here in MD and I was always trying to keep hitters off balance being a 6' tall righty who could only throw 82-84 mph tops, so pitches that "mix it up" always intrest me.

Posted: 9/16/2009 5:52:58 AM EDT

[#22]

Worked? Worked for what? Walking a batter to first?

Posted: 9/16/2009 6:22:21 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Liberal strike zone other there I seee.

fuckin liberals...

Posted: 9/16/2009 6:24:29 AM EDT

[#24]

That's pretty cool actually!

Posted: 9/16/2009 6:29:45 AM EDT

[#25]

Tag for video at home

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Posted: 9/16/2009 6:29:58 AM EDT

[#26]

Looks staged to me. The first clue was a huge stadium with not a single spectator.

Posted: 9/16/2009 7:21:11 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Looks staged to me. The first clue was a huge stadium with not a single spectator.

And thats any different for any team outside of Boston , New York or Chicago?

Posted: 9/16/2009 7:22:34 AM EDT

[#28]

Ball was not a strike...clearly outside.

Sure would mess with the batter's head though!

HH

Posted: 9/16/2009 7:28:06 AM EDT

[#29]

there is no one in their stands?

minor leagues?

Posted: 9/16/2009 7:33:21 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Looks staged to me. The first clue was a huge stadium with not a single spectator.

And thats any different for any team outside of Boston , New York or Chicago?

Yes it is different for any team outside of the three you posted. My home town for one, St. Louis, but that's not my point. Watch the video again and point out one fan in the arena.

Posted: 9/16/2009 7:35:21 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
No, ball must be delivered overhand with the pitcher facing batter if I remember correctly.

In correct, there are several pitchers who throw side arm, some so low that their hand nearly touches the mound upon delivery

ETA, during said delivery there hand would be under the ball but it would have begun above the ball during the windup, so I'm not sure.

Posted: 9/16/2009 7:38:44 AM EDT

[#32]

At second 00:22 you can clearly see that the ball goes right through the strike zone.

Posted: 9/16/2009 7:43:32 AM EDT

[#33]

You should see how they fight, LINK.

Posted: 9/16/2009 7:50:56 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
Funnier'n hell!

BTW that is not Japanese, it is Korean I think.

It's Japanese, both the uniform and TV text

The pitcher is a Japanese comedian Gorugo Matsumoto ("Gorugo" in Katakana on his jersey)

Posted: 9/16/2009 9:15:45 AM EDT

[#35]

ROR

Posted: 9/16/2009 9:18:22 AM EDT

[#36]

I saw a underhand pitch once...........

Posted: 9/16/2009 9:24:11 AM EDT

[#37]

Faked.
Look at the stands ans the camera pans around....ZERO people.

Posted: 9/16/2009 9:36:55 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
Faked.
Look at the stands ans the camera pans around....ZERO people.

It might work once.

Second attempt...400ft.

Posted: 9/16/2009 9:47:44 AM EDT

[#39]

That's why they don't have any fans in the stadium.

Posted: 9/16/2009 10:57:01 AM EDT

[#40]

Funny but fake. For sure a ROR!!!

Posted: 9/16/2009 11:33:29 AM EDT

[#41]

Posted: 9/16/2009 11:35:19 AM EDT

[#42]

Nolan Ryan says "

"

Posted: 9/16/2009 11:52:08 AM EDT

[#43]

it's FAKE... it's FAKE........

Posted: 9/16/2009 12:00:15 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Funnier'n hell!

BTW that is not Japanese, it is Korean I think.

BTW that is Japanese and not Korean.

Posted: 9/16/2009 12:17:17 PM EDT

[#45]

Tee off on that pitcher.

Posted: 9/16/2009 12:23:17 PM EDT

[#46]

But any batter that was paying attention would have smacked that out of the park. Still funny though.

Posted: 9/16/2009 12:33:15 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
Damn, you could park a bus in that ump's strike zone.

Really. A stormtrooper could hit that strike zone.

Posted: 9/16/2009 12:45:02 PM EDT

[#48]

My Junior Highschool PE coach used to do that pitch to us.

He called it: "The Heeby Jeeby pitch."

(This was before the internetz)

Coach Fultz was his name.