Would you use ammunition for carry that the box said not to?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Would you use ammunition for carry that the box said not to?

Posted: 12/17/2016 4:33:57 PM EDT

I bought a case of Speer 9mm 147gr ammunition that allegedly not for LE use, training only".

What makes it not suited for carry ammo?

Posted: 12/17/2016 4:38:50 PM EDT

[#1]

probably not a HP,

Posted: 12/17/2016 4:46:14 PM EDT

[#2]

They are HP's, I checked.

Posted: 12/17/2016 4:47:42 PM EDT

[#3]

IIRC there were some large batches with questionable primers and lots of duds reported. They recalled the ammo, and repackaged it and re-sold it as training ammo.

Posted: 12/17/2016 4:48:02 PM EDT

[#4]

Given the option, I wouldn't carry anything that doesn't pass the FBI testing.

Posted: 12/17/2016 4:49:23 PM EDT

[#5]

Maybe they're HP that don't expand?

Posted: 12/17/2016 4:52:14 PM EDT

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My first thoughts. Cost less, same POI as the good stuff. Same feeding and weight. Bullet construction is not made for SD.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:06:27 PM EDT

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I bought a case of Speer 9mm 147gr ammunition that allegedly not for LE use, training only".

What makes it not suited for carry ammo?

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its not .40 cal that's why

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:12:09 PM EDT

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I bought a case of Speer 9mm 147gr ammunition that allegedly not for LE use, training only".

What makes it not suited for carry ammo?

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The lot may have failed testing for bullet weight, muzzle velocity, muzzle velocity standard deviation, penetration, expansion, cosmetic reasons, and/or whatever other standards to which it's held for law enforcement use.

I'd use it to test feeding in new firearms and use ammunition which passed all tests for self-defense.

The Speer Lawman 147 grain total metal jacket has a very similar nose profile to the 147 grain Gold Dot and has the same muzzle velocity and is also a good choice for practice.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:13:59 PM EDT

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There were some batches of Speer GD's that did not.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:14:31 PM EDT

[#10]

I think I bought the same 500 round case. Buy a box of good carry ammo.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:18:30 PM EDT

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I bought a case of Speer 9mm 147gr ammunition that allegedly not for LE use, training only".

What makes it not suited for carry ammo?

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Just like the Winchester White Box that says for Target use, implying that it can't be used to shoot anything other than paper

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:24:32 PM EDT

[#12]

Probably the new "smart bullet" technology. No matter what you aim them at, they will only hit paper.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:25:58 PM EDT

[#13]

Because they want you to buy their dollar per
round super gee whiz "defensive" tactical special carry ammo.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:26:59 PM EDT

[#14]

I would carry any ammo that I wanted to for any reason that I wanted to.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:27:33 PM EDT

[#15]

only if I was broke

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:28:48 PM EDT

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The early runs of Gold Dot G2's failed to expand and were repackaged as bulk, "training only" ammo. They were a great deal but don't expand properly or in some cases at all. Is the hollow point cavity filled? That would make them G2s.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:31:42 PM EDT

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I bought 1000 of "training only" Gold Dot ammo in both 9mm and .40. The 9mm is gone without a single problem. I've probably got 2-3 hundred of the .40 left but had no problem with that either.

I didn't use it for carry, but if it was all I had I'd use it before I'd use FMJ.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:32:13 PM EDT

[#18]

My own .40 reloads w/ JHP's.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:34:51 PM EDT

[#19]

Even it were true that, tier 2: bullets, powder, brass or primers were used during construction.

Zombies, don't read.

And, what does tier 2 components, actually mean? Is it like Govt contract, lowest bid wins?

Aloha, Mark

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:35:17 PM EDT

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If it is this :

It is crap that was hyped up and didn't come close to meeting the hype.

Posted: 12/17/2016 5:35:36 PM EDT

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The early runs of Gold Dot G2's failed to expand and were repackaged as bulk, "training only" ammo. They were a great deal but don't expand properly or in some cases at all. Is the hollow point cavity filled? That would make them G2s.

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This.

Posted: 12/19/2016 12:32:36 AM EDT

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The early runs of Gold Dot G2's failed to expand and were repackaged as bulk, "training only" ammo. They were a great deal but don't expand properly or in some cases at all. Is the hollow point cavity filled? That would make them G2s.

This.

They are filled in.

Here I thought I was getting a great deal.

Posted: 12/19/2016 12:42:21 AM EDT

[#23]

Yeah but wouldn't be my 1st choice.

Posted: 12/19/2016 12:45:49 AM EDT

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I bought 1000 of "training only" Gold Dot ammo in both 9mm and .40. The 9mm is gone without a single problem. I've probably got 2-3 hundred of the .40 left but had no problem with that either.

I didn't use it for carry, but if it was all I had I'd use it before I'd use FMJ.

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Same here got a few k of both caliber dirt cheap

I shot bowling pin matches with the stuff for years with zero problems

I too was under the impression it failed some sort of QC

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