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Posted: 2/23/2006 6:18:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/24/2006 6:26:28 AM EDT by Cape_hunter]
If the 86 was lifted, would you pay a $500 dollar NFA tax to convert your semi-auto AR to Full auto?
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:20:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 6:20:52 PM EDT by CABG]
Probably. Would be nice if the tax was lower though

ETA: Poor ass college student here
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:20:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 6:21:17 PM EDT by www-glock19-com]
yes
if you had to make it a 1K tax for FA to get the ban lifted i would have no problem with it
but im afraid they would make it 10K to make it historiclly accurate
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:20:59 PM EDT
Who?What?Where do I sign up at
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:21:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 6:23:20 PM EDT by COLT6721A3]
Tough question ... since the price of an M16 will be the same as the price of an AR-15 if the ban is repealed. I'd sell my AR-15 for $500 and by a new rifle with the M16 rollmark for $1000 ....
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:21:29 PM EDT
In a New York minute.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:22:16 PM EDT
I would gladly pay $500-1000 for the ability to convert a weapon or two.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:23:13 PM EDT
Select fire, yes. Full time full auto...no.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:23:50 PM EDT
Well shure I would, cousin, don't be riduiculous.



Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:24:47 PM EDT
What guarantee would I have that the 86 ban wouldn't be replaced by something else later on?

So in the end all that is accomplished is jacking up the price of NFA transfers/etc?
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:26:09 PM EDT
Absolutely.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:26:23 PM EDT
I'd do it.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:27:08 PM EDT
of course dude...
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:27:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:27:24 PM EDT
As a matter of economic theory, in the "short term" every one of us would be willing to pay the current "best deal" price on a legal full auto transferrable rifle, minus a number representing the "vector of discernable discount" to where the tax stamp for conversion would be a good deal.

In other words, to someone who is looking at paying $12,000 for a fully auto transferrable M16, the sum of $10,000 in the form of a tax stamp to convert an existing AR15 becomes a SWEET deal.

In the long term, the market price for 'original' transferrables and the cost of a parts kit plus the tax would intersect. The tax would set the market price for everything, basically.

Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:27:32 PM EDT
Is this a trick question??

YA DAMN RIGHT I WOULD!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:28:11 PM EDT
yes!

I assume this would be by means of DIAS or LL? Either way, I'm in for sure
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:29:41 PM EDT
Who the hell would vote no on this one?
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:30:08 PM EDT
$500? I doubt it.

That's a $100 option to me. Blasting is fun once in a while, but I wouldn't go that far out of my way for it.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:31:19 PM EDT
Yes. Many times over. Lowers would be inbound by the dozens, too!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:32:08 PM EDT
I did. I want select fire, or forget it.


Originally Posted By TheRegulator:
Who the hell would vote no on this one?

Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:33:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:33:50 PM EDT
Shit, for $500 I'd be converting other people's ARs to full auto.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:34:00 PM EDT
Absolutely, not to mention it would be a great way for the .gov to make a lot of $$
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:34:35 PM EDT
I can't imagine a lot of people are going to answer no to this question.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:36:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:
I can't imagine a lot of people are going to answer no to this question.



... Sure there will be, folks that legitimately use a $12K piece of metal like this

Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:36:20 PM EDT
I would rather fight to get the ban lifted without anycompromise on the $200 tax.

The ORIGINAL purpose of the tax was to make it financially impossible for EVERYDAY AMERICANS to purchase NFA items.

That alone should be an insult to everyone of us. All NFA should be a $5 tax but I would not have a problem paying $200 or if need be $500.

I just think if we make raising the tax an option it will only be used against us in the future to deny law-abiding Americans access to NFA items.

LB
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:36:54 PM EDT
Yup all day long.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:42:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 6:43:29 PM EDT by Gloftoe]
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:43:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 6:46:29 PM EDT by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By Gloftoe:

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:

Originally Posted By roboman:
I can't imagine a lot of people are going to answer no to this question.



... Sure there will be, folks that legitimately use a $12K piece of metal like this

www.quarterbore.com/images/JCBDIAS_01.JPG


While I am one of those folks, I didn't vote "No" because of that.

I voted "No" because the Form 1 tax should NOT be more than it is currently. It should arguably be LESS, or completely abolished. So NO, I would NOT pay $500 to convert any firearm to registered, legal full-automatic.

That being said, I would dance in the streets if the NFA was abolished, and machineguns were legal. Would my RDIAS drop a BUNCH in value? Yep. Would I care? Nope. I'd smash it, and install factory sears in my lowers.



Ahh yes, the "ALL OR NOTHING" crowd chimes in.

IMHO, without compramise, we will not accomplish anything.

Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:45:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By Gloftoe:

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:

Originally Posted By roboman:
I can't imagine a lot of people are going to answer no to this question.



... Sure there will be, folks that legitimately use a $12K piece of metal like this

www.quarterbore.com/images/JCBDIAS_01.JPG


While I am one of those folks, I didn't vote "No" because of that.

I voted "No" because the Form 1 tax should NOT be more than it is currently. It should arguably be LESS, or completely abolished. So NO, I would NOT pay $500 to convert any firearm to registered, legal full-automatic.

That being said, I would dance in the streets if the NFA was abolished, and machineguns were legal. Would my RDIAS drop a BUNCH in value? Yep. Would I care? Nope. I'd smash it, and install factory sears in my lowers.



Ahh yes, the "ALL OR NOTHING" crowd chimes in.

IMHO, without compramise, we will not accomplish anything.



Compromise got us an AWB with the grandfather clause. Compromise got us the original MG Ban to begin with as part of the 1986 FOPA.....
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:47:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By Gloftoe:

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:

Originally Posted By roboman:
I can't imagine a lot of people are going to answer no to this question.



... Sure there will be, folks that legitimately use a $12K piece of metal like this

www.quarterbore.com/images/JCBDIAS_01.JPG


While I am one of those folks, I didn't vote "No" because of that.

I voted "No" because the Form 1 tax should NOT be more than it is currently. It should arguably be LESS, or completely abolished. So NO, I would NOT pay $500 to convert any firearm to registered, legal full-automatic.

That being said, I would dance in the streets if the NFA was abolished, and machineguns were legal. Would my RDIAS drop a BUNCH in value? Yep. Would I care? Nope. I'd smash it, and install factory sears in my lowers.



Ahh yes, the "ALL OR NOTHING" crowd chimes in.

IMHO, without compramise, we will not accomplish anything.



Compromise got us an AWB with the grandfather clause. Compromise got us the original MG Ban to begin with as part of the 1986 FOPA.....



And without compromise, they could have been worse.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 6:48:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By Gloftoe:

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:

Originally Posted By roboman:
I can't imagine a lot of people are going to answer no to this question.



... Sure there will be, folks that legitimately use a $12K piece of metal like this

www.quarterbore.com/images/JCBDIAS_01.JPG


While I am one of those folks, I didn't vote "No" because of that.

I voted "No" because the Form 1 tax should NOT be more than it is currently. It should arguably be LESS, or completely abolished. So NO, I would NOT pay $500 to convert any firearm to registered, legal full-automatic.

That being said, I would dance in the streets if the NFA was abolished, and machineguns were legal. Would my RDIAS drop a BUNCH in value? Yep. Would I care? Nope. I'd smash it, and install factory sears in my lowers.



Ahh yes, the "ALL OR NOTHING" crowd chimes in.

IMHO, without compramise, we will not accomplish anything.



Compromise got us an AWB with the grandfather clause. Compromise got us the original MG Ban to begin with as part of the 1986 FOPA.....



And without compromise, they could have been worse.



So you're fine with a slippery slope of Gun Control, as long as there's a compromise thrown in here and there?
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 7:01:23 PM EDT

In todays world , $500 is not a lot of money

won't buy a Bigscreen TV
won't pay for New Years in Times Square.
won't even buy much Hookers and Blow

It's not the Tax that offends me - it's the BS that goes with it

So , I would pay it to have the Fun Gun
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 7:09:39 PM EDT
I would convert one of my AR's and one of my H&K's but most of them I would leave SA.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 7:48:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:
So you're fine with a slippery slope of Gun Control, as long as there's a compromise thrown in here and there?



No but I am realistic enough to know that without give, there will only be take.

Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:12:47 PM EDT
$500 Tax to own a transferable M16................YOU BET.


Hell even $2500 Tax would be worth it.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:18:19 PM EDT
Select fire, in a second. Full time....no way.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:20:56 PM EDT
I'd be willing to pay much more than that...


All of my guns would be fully-automatic except for my IPSC competition guns...
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:20:59 PM EDT
My ARs, no.

A GLOCK, YES!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:28:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 8:29:06 PM EDT by Wraithtouch]
I would be willing to pay $200 or pay a tax that is representative of the actual cost incurred by the .gov in man hours, electric bill, background check etc... which ever is greater. But no not an increased government punishment tax. (like the $200 was set up to be in the first place.)
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:29:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 8:32:56 PM EDT by captainpooby]
I'd do it.
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:29:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/23/2006 8:32:20 PM EDT by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By triburst1:
My ARs, no.

A GLOCK, YES!



And ....

HKs galore!~
Calico M100 .22
10/22 (s)
American 180
M1 Carbines
M1a
Thompson
Uzi
StenBAR
M3
1919
MG42
FAL
PPS50Beretta 92
FN fiveseven
FN PS90
One of every tipman scale guns.


Shall I continue?

OH and the .22 mini-gun being built here in Oregon!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:39:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRegulator:
Who the hell would vote no on this one?



I did becouse there shouldnt be no fucking tax stamp!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 8:45:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cyrax777:

Originally Posted By TheRegulator:
Who the hell would vote no on this one?



I did becouse there shouldnt be no fucking tax stamp!



Your right..........But there already is one. SO why not play there game to get what we want... More MGs.

SO you pay a few more bucks, at least you could get them!
Link Posted: 2/23/2006 11:58:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By cyrax777:

Originally Posted By TheRegulator:
Who the hell would vote no on this one?



I did becouse there shouldnt be no fucking tax stamp!



Your right..........But there already is one. SO why not play there game to get what we want... More MGs.

SO you pay a few more bucks, at least you could get them!



becouse what next a 10k doller tax,

im sorry were better off working on getting the ban repealed and keeping the 200 tax,
moment you start messing with tax rates thats really going to come around and bite us in the ass,
rember in 1934 200 dollers was a shitload of money. hmm gun costs me oh say 20 bucks and boom another 200 on top of that. makes that tax seem damn outragus, Im in the same boat now I want a 22lr suppersor thats 100 bucks but the tax is 200 so I didnt get it,
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 2:52:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:

Originally Posted By roboman:
I can't imagine a lot of people are going to answer no to this question.



... Sure there will be, folks that legitimately use a $12K piece of metal like this

www.quarterbore.com/images/JCBDIAS_01.JPG



As much as I detest always being the dumbass in the bunch, I ain't gonna learn if I don't ask and take the flames from all the self-proclaimed experts out there.

That is the sear, right? That's all it takes to convert to select fire?

Would an AR be built to standards to handle FA? I would think so, as it is the same platform, but I thought they needed a new bolt, too? Don't remember where I heard that or if I heard it right, but it's sticking out in my mind for some reason.
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 2:55:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
Select fire, yes. Full time full auto...no.



+1
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 6:23:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cyrax777:

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By cyrax777:

Originally Posted By TheRegulator:
Who the hell would vote no on this one?



I did becouse there shouldnt be no fucking tax stamp!



Your right..........But there already is one. SO why not play there game to get what we want... More MGs.

SO you pay a few more bucks, at least you could get them!



becouse what next a 10k doller tax,

im sorry were better off working on getting the ban repealed and keeping the 200 tax,
moment you start messing with tax rates thats really going to come around and bite us in the ass,
rember in 1934 200 dollers was a shitload of money. hmm gun costs me oh say 20 bucks and boom another 200 on top of that. makes that tax seem damn outragus, Im in the same boat now I want a 22lr suppersor thats 100 bucks but the tax is 200 so I didnt get it,



Whats next, a total ban?

You will not get the support to lift anything FREE OF CHARGE!!! WILL NOT HAPPEN. With nothing in it for anyone but the gun owner there is no reason touch a repeal. However, with $$ insentives for <insert money hungry lefty program>, there is a reason for them let it pass. Yes, it should just be lifted but with a slight increase there would be money to in a sense pay off those on the left that would let this fly.

In a vacuum, It should not even be an issue and the NFA should not exist. We should not have gun ownership laws and should be free to do as we please. But that is not our world. We have LET the left and anti gun movement gain ground that we may never get back. For those that say no compromise, ask yourself where we would be without it. Compromise was also what allowed the sunset into hte AWB.
CH

Link Posted: 2/24/2006 6:24:50 AM EDT
options options options!

Options are everything!
Link Posted: 2/24/2006 6:29:29 AM EDT
First off I don't see why the tax would get raised if the 86MG ban went away, so no I wouldn't pay $500 to covert my AR, however I would pay the current $200 and file the Form1 to covert my AR. The ban going away at the cost of an increase in the tax is unnacceptable period end of conversation.

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