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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:00:32 AM EDT
It also has a remote control port, Nintendo 64 cartridge port, microwave popcorn popper and includes an alarm clock and calendar function. The newer model has a Palm Pilot wireless interface.
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:03:35 AM EDT
What a joke! I would like to see someone try and lug that thing around and maintain it in adverse conditions. A 20lb gun? Who thought this was a good idea?
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:07:09 AM EDT
When the guy is dialing in, the Zulu's will sneak up from behind and brain him with a club.
And to think they came up with the AR as a low weight alternative to the M-14. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:08:39 AM EDT
Not bad if it also comes with a small LCD and wireless internet connectivity so I can visit AR15.com.
I think it would be cool if the civilian version had the option of a DVD so when cooling the barrel one could watch "FMJ Movie. my 0.02 cents worth. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:09:35 AM EDT
I'd love to see that guy in your picture touch off a 20mm round like that. He'd get a face full of scope in a big hurry. It doesn't even look like he's lined up to look through it.
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:11:55 AM EDT
Just about laughed until I cried when the pic fully came in and I saw..... a bayonet for this monstrosity.
They're going to have to genetically alter the new troops who are going to be lugging this beast around, because the troops we have now, bitch about having to carry a pen. Shoot safe Robert |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:14:55 AM EDT
who the hell is going to fight with that. The carry case for my ar is smaller than that thing. Oh we are going to lose the next war.
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:16:49 AM EDT
It looks like the brass can eject on both sides, so it might be ok for us leftys.
They need a small powerful camera up front and a lcd viewscreen instead of that scope. Then throw in a small computer and ballistic program to compute you zero for you. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:16:55 AM EDT
Apparently,this thing has "smart" grenades.Even so,the thing is WAY TOO BIG.
Especially as a light infantry weapon.You must be joking.Looks like something out of "Starship Troopers" But this is what I think.Maybe issue it as a type of squad support weapon. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:19:02 AM EDT
That thing doesn't even look good. Beam me up Scotty, my rifle is killing my back!
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:21:08 AM EDT
I still fail to see why they want to replace a 14.5 and 20" barrel with a 10" one. Wounding potential with the 10" is nowhere with M855 ammo. So unless they expect the infantry to engage all targets beyond 100 yards with the airburst grenades this thing is just one expensive heavy battery with bullets.
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:21:50 AM EDT
How is it going to be able to do any long range work with a 10" barrel?
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:26:45 AM EDT
Those grenades look pretty small, how powerful could they be? Looks like a lot of effort just to add a grenade launcher, they can put a fancy scope on a M-16.
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:28:19 AM EDT
This is to confuse the Chiness and hope to sell the stuff that would really work to Taiwan so we do not get a protest since the rest will look out of date..
Seriously, From what I read in other sources, this baby real packs a punch with it's HE rounds and new type of ammo ... and it is suppose to give a higher Kill ratio then an ordinary M16.. etc.. I am just a messenger on this and it has been a while since I read those articals... |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:43:50 AM EDT
The 20mm rounds can be air air-burst type or contact type... that means if you're hiding behind a berm the soldier can fire one set to detonate right over your head... Range finder is built in...
I do believe this project has been shelved recently, however. In 100 years our "grand fathered" assault weapons will be comparable to muskets when compared to the toys the gov't has. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:47:43 AM EDT
After studying the photo, even my vivid imagination cannot picture how you would use the bayonet. I just don't see how you could hold the weapon any other way than by the pistol grip and the magazine ("clip").
Since there are two types of bayonet fighters, the quick and the dead, wouldn't the 20lbs tend to put you in the wrong category? In close quarters, I fear that our troops would, in "the spirit of the bayonet", be "killed without mercy". |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:48:09 AM EDT
Anybody see the new FN rifle depicted on the back page of the June issue of Guns magazine? They compare it to te OICW but as far as I've heard there's no official competition for this weapon.
The FN weapon's a bullpup dubbed the "Convertor" that supposedly has the laser-controlled GL of the OICW but lighter. Looks kinda cool. I'll see if I can scan my copy. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 10:54:56 AM EDT
The OCIW has been a complete piece of crap from day one. Just ask the guy who got his face blown off at APG last year when he tried to fire the 20mm (which is actully a rocket). I have to believe that this is a product of Clinton's Pentagon. The Land Warrior is crap too, at least for now. Bottom line, I wouldn't want to have to pray for the battery reinforcements to hurry up, leaving me with a 20lb boat anchor to lug around and try to shoot with. Maybe someday, when the technology is practical, the Land Warrior type of thing will be OK. But there can never be an excuse for a 20lb weapon as general issue. What if they let the ladies try and carry one of those around?? Jeeezzz
Last I heard, OCIW has been canned. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 11:03:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Darin Marple: What a joke! I would like to see someone try and lug that thing around and maintain it in adverse conditions. A 20lb gun? Who thought this was a good idea? remember, this "weapon" gained momentum for development under the Clinton administration. And by his own words, Clinton "dispises the military." And with that thing as a battle weapon, it SURE shows!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 11:41:10 AM EDT
supporting partial weight of the weapon by holding onto the mag...now there's a good idea
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Posted: 4/30/2001 11:53:14 AM EDT
Anybody notice that it comes with a 30 round [b]"clip"[/b] in 5.56 and a 6 round [b]"clip"[/b] in 20mm. All that money to design a weapons system and they can't even use the correct technical terms.
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Posted: 4/30/2001 11:57:14 AM EDT
This is one ugly MF!
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Posted: 4/30/2001 11:59:30 AM EDT
can the rifle{if it could be called that with a 10 inch barrel} be used without the grenade launcher?
Why would the intergrate the stock into the grenade launcher? I can't wait to see what the Spec-ops people think of these! |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 12:01:44 PM EDT
Quoted: Anybody see the new FN rifle depicted on the back page of the June issue of Guns magazine? They compare it to te OICW but as far as I've heard there's no official competition for this weapon. The FN weapon's a bullpup dubbed the "Convertor" that supposedly has the laser-controlled GL of the OICW but lighter. Looks kinda cool. I'll see if I can scan my copy. If you can post a pick of the FN I[ undoubtedly along with others] would appreciate it! |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 12:13:18 PM EDT
This thing has to be a squad support weapon, I can't imagine it'll ever be a primary infantry arm, it's just too goofy... the 20mm grenades could work pretty well against dug in badguys if the airburst feature is set up properly, but all those electronics have to increase the fudge factor exponentially. Murphy will be riding shotgun with the first squad that rolls into combat with this monstrosity
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Posted: 4/30/2001 12:18:49 PM EDT
I use that gun sometimes in DF3.
The only thing I don't like is it only has 3 round burst and not full auto. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 12:21:56 PM EDT
I bet old Gecko45 would love to drag that thing around the food court!!!
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Posted: 4/30/2001 12:23:59 PM EDT
i would rather use an M-16 that could do the same thing
[img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/028/rX/4Q/k9/LC35137.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 12:31:21 PM EDT
Quoted: i would rather use an M-16 that could do the same thing [/gquote] LOL!! For mine, you can keep the popcorn - I prefer pretzels |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 12:32:27 PM EDT
A 'Frankengun' in the purest sense of the word. The bottom section alone may be ok as a close quarters weapon. I have first hand experience with 20mm HE rounds, and they are very powerfull. The idea of this weapon is nice, but the execution is a disaster. If they phase out the M16's for this abortion of a weapon, I would bet that reenlistments drop greatly, especially in the infantry/feild training mos' that have to hump this crap weekly. It is always difficilt to phase out a very good weapon, especially when the replacement is questionable. It was a problem with the ranks when the Springfeild 1903 was replaced with the M1 Garand, and also when the Garand was replaced with the M14 and the M14 with the M16 and who knows what's next. I happen to really like the last three service weapons very much, I never fired an '03 Springfeild, but I may end up liking them as well. This 'new' weapon worries me, but I don't have to carry it. It is the active duty personell that have to accept any 'new' weapons issued by the Armed Forces, and deal with it. I hope they never get this pig.
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Posted: 4/30/2001 1:21:32 PM EDT
an absolutely disqusting ugly pos...
dont think it will ever see the light of day. dont even think itl do as good as the m60. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 3:41:49 PM EDT
Hey wake up!!! The Idiots who dreamed up this thing have never humped a rifle anywhere but on the parade ground. I bet you the asshole who designed it has some brother-in-law who is a 4 star general. Maybe the military thinks its new soldiers will look like Mr.Universe. I finish my enlistment August 8th 2001 so thank god I won't ever have to carry that thing!!
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Posted: 4/30/2001 4:06:48 PM EDT
Oh wow!!! Next year's Limited Edition Group Purchase configuration........just kiddin'[heavy]
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Posted: 4/30/2001 4:35:41 PM EDT
This Discovery channel had a show about Land Warrior and all the high-tech gear. The news often shows the same footage whenever they discuss military modernization and so forth. Can anyone explain to me why those rangers had to have bayonets fixed on these so-called infantry rifles of the future (which are really just tricked out M-4s, btw)? It seems out of place to have all this thermal imaging equipment that can look around corners and do all kinds of fancy shit, and then go and attach a bayonet on there so you can look more "bad ass" for the cameras. Hilarious!
The OICW is just another attempt for the army to justify its increasingly ridiculous budgets. They might better start building robots to fight because all the good people are leaving in droves. Maybe they plan to export these and hope that in a future war, our troops get to fight against guys using them? I mean, the rifle below has no sights and no stock when it is detached from that 20mm whale harpoon. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 5:42:01 PM EDT
Here´s a pic of the FN F2000 Bullpup
[img]http://images.janes.com/micro_sites/idex/images/showdaily/idexsd10006.jpg[/img] FN HERSTAL is using IDEX 2001 to launch its new 5.56mm F2000 bullpup rifle, reports Terry J Gander. This modular assault rifle can assume several forms and is shown here complete with an add-on integrated 40 mm low velocity grenade launcher and a fire control system with a laser rangefinder to accurately determine grenade target range and indicate the appropriate super-elevation angle by a simple red/green light system. The F2000 has fully ambidextrous controls and spent cases are ejected forwards. The fire control system can be replaced by optical or night sights, while a bipod is one option among many. The F2000 is intended to be affordable and capable of accommodating future technological developments such as revised grenade calibres. Future options could include an electronic fire rate control that varies cyclic fire rates to enhance hit probability at longer ranges. |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 6:26:36 PM EDT
I seem to remember reading an article last summer about the OICW. They estimate the Pentagon would be spending 10 grand per copy. And that they were going to issue them to supplement the M-16 by only having two in each infantry squad.
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Posted: 4/30/2001 7:02:06 PM EDT
Hmmmm....so...let's see what we have:
U.S. ARMY [img]http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1480553&a=11151255&p=47599848&Sequence=0[/img] vs. Starship Troopers [img]http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/3935/1carmen.jpg[/img] I guess some of the head honchos in the defense dept. think some of THESE are gonna invade our great nation: [img]http://www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/3935/stroop2.gif[/img] [i]Jew's Roughnecks.....HUUUUH![/i] Jewbroni~ |
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Posted: 4/30/2001 7:07:18 PM EDT
I'd hate to to be the target assigned to carry that thing! Every sniper in China would be lookin to get one of them guys!!!
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Posted: 5/1/2001 8:38:34 AM EDT
BTT
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Posted: 5/1/2001 8:52:26 AM EDT
My Remington Rolling Block in 7mm Mauser would pick these guys off before the even got close...
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Posted: 5/1/2001 8:54:05 AM EDT
before they even got close
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Posted: 5/1/2001 9:59:50 AM EDT
Yes, all that stuff is great. But can it transform into Megatron?
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Posted: 5/1/2001 10:16:54 AM EDT
If you added some length to the rifle, and the ave. solder could get enough speed, they could "hang glide" over the target and blow things up with the 20mm. We could cut bombers from the defense budget!!!!
More tax dollars at work. I'm thinking of sending back my tax return so they can think up more things like this. [grenade] |
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Posted: 5/1/2001 10:19:15 AM EDT
Looks like the stage prop version of the "caseless 10mm pulse rifle" from the movie 'ALIENS" - wasn't that a 10mm ? And caseless or self-propelled rounds - now there's and interesting concept.
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Posted: 5/1/2001 10:20:15 AM EDT
Looks like the stage prop version of the "caseless 10mm pulse rifle" from the movie 'ALIENS" - wasn't that a 10mm ? And caseless or self-propelled rounds - now there's and interesting concept.
But will my hi-cap thermolds work? |
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Posted: 5/1/2001 10:20:24 AM EDT
What a piece of crap.
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Posted: 5/1/2001 10:34:33 AM EDT
I wonder if those "smart" grenades are shielded from an electro-magnetic pulse? I'd hate to get caught in a thunder storm if they aren't!
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Posted: 5/1/2001 10:36:53 AM EDT
Damn thing looks like a version of an ugly super soaker as seen on Sat. morning cartoons that my grandkid watches. Perhaps the video is remotely controled, and the user is actually expendable cannon fodder so that some jerk off at the rear can activate the weapon and direct the one who carries it to point it in a certain direction.
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Posted: 5/1/2001 10:44:08 AM EDT
I always have a big laugh when I see this firearm. It has been advertised as the new weapon of the military in almost every weapons magazine since the early 90's. The funny thing they just keep pushing back the implication date of the weapon and add B.S. to it as time goes by. Its true that the Military is always looking for better firearms developments. I am sure that someday they will come out and deploy some crazy looking replacement for the M16 family of firearms. But I do not take that this firearm is the one they seriously are going to do it with.
Dave Dee AR15.com Moderator of Reloading Forum A great place to get answers to your reloading questions. |
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Posted: 5/1/2001 10:50:20 AM EDT
Hey, wait. .so you're saying all those New World Order Blue-Helmeted Jackboots are gonna be using these things?
Coooooooooooooool. :P |
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