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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:59:12 PM EDT
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At least they would be better than Obama... |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:59:38 PM EDT
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Nothing between "Definitely" and "Nah?"
 'Cause that's where I am.(Except "Ron Paul," of course... 'cause that's where I ain't.) FTR, I voted "Definitely" but that's really a bit of an overstatement... |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:59:46 PM EDT
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Perry sucks donkey balls. Before everyone gets all excited I'd really like them to expound on his vast private employment experience. He has as much private employment experience- you know, working for a living in the private sector- feeding a family on YOUR paycheck- as Barrack Obama had when he entered the White House.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:01:51 PM EDT
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Fuck Perry.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:02:14 PM EDT
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Perry?
Yes Bachman? IDK, she annoys me. I don't know what it is but I'd rather listen to cats fucking in an alley. I'd probably pull the lever. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:03:41 PM EDT
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Perry sucks donkey balls. Before everyone gets all excited I'd really like them to expound on his vast private employment experience. He has as much private employment experience- you know, working for a living in the private sector- feeding a family on YOUR paycheck- as Barrack Obama had when he entered the White House. Except that he understands basic economics unlike Obama... |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:08:21 PM EDT
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Except that he understands basic economics unlike Obama...
That's the only defense that a guy who has NEVER done anything but suck on the government teat his whole life can mount. I can't see where Perry has ever had a "real" job. For the "leader" of the "Free Market Party of Independence" that's not exactly a ringing endorsement- that the guy has done nothing but eat the Gov't cheese his whole life. It is the reason that many people (self included) despise the man. He is the consummate politician- it's ALL HE'S EVER BEEN, his beliefs are exactly what the polls tell him will get him elected and nothing more. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:09:58 PM EDT
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Yes
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:13:29 PM EDT
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Except that he understands basic economics unlike Obama...
That's the only defense that a guy who has NEVER done anything but suck on the government teat his whole life can mount. I can't see where Perry has ever had a "real" job. For the "leader" of the "Free Market Party of Independence" that's not exactly a ringing endorsement- that the guy has done nothing but eat the Gov't cheese his whole life. It is the reason that many people (self included) despise the man. He is the consummate politician- it's ALL HE'S EVER BEEN, his beliefs are exactly what the polls tell him will get him elected and nothing more. Well, it's a political job. Hiring a politician to do a political job kind of makes sense. Does seem to be a lot of Perry hate by Texans. I'm neutral on the man, but willing to hear what he has to say. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:14:08 PM EDT
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They're both great VP candidates, but I don't know if either is a great POTUS candidate. Either one will bring the religious right to the voting booths, but I feel we need a moderate POTUS candidate who can bring the moderates and independents out.
Who ever it ends up being, I'll vote for. Not voting equals a vote for Obama. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:15:33 PM EDT
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Well, it's a political job. Hiring a politician to do a political job kind of makes sense.
None of our best leaders were ever solely politicians. The best ones, didn't want the fucking job at all but took it out of a sense of duty! |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:15:36 PM EDT
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I'm voting for "Not Obama." I will vote GOP, and I want to see them put up the very best candidate they can, but, if that ends up being Carrot Top, then I will vote for Carrot Top. Fuck Obama.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:18:06 PM EDT
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Well, it's a political job. Hiring a politician to do a political job kind of makes sense.
None of our best leaders were ever solely politicians. The best ones, didn't want the fucking job at all but took it out of a sense of duty! Highly debateble. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:18:37 PM EDT
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They're both great VP candidates, but I don't know if either is a great POTUS candidate. Either one will bring the religious right to the voting booths, but I feel we need a moderate POTUS candidate who can bring the moderates and independents out. Who ever it ends up being, I'll vote for. Not voting equals a vote for Obama. Because that worked so well in 2008 
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:22:18 PM EDT
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Maybe, would rather see Paul/Palin.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:22:48 PM EDT
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They're both great VP candidates, but I don't know if either is a great POTUS candidate. Either one will bring the religious right to the voting booths, but I feel we need a moderate POTUS candidate who can bring the moderates and independents out. Who ever it ends up being, I'll vote for. Not voting equals a vote for Obama. Because that worked so well in 2008
Once the economy tanked NO Republican was going to get elected. The Republicans were in office when the bottom fell out. They were doomed. Didn't matter who they ran. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:24:35 PM EDT
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The vice president spot is a calculated decision based on many factors.
The home state of the presidential nominee. The current political climate in the various states. The platform the nominee runs on. I see Perry needing a mid Atlantic or Northeast Republican VP. Perry can easily carry the South, it's the Northeast we would have to battle for and obtaining a popular VP pick from the region would be a plus. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:26:00 PM EDT
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I could certainly get behind Bachmann
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:27:11 PM EDT
[#19]
Idk about her, as my wife says, never hire a woman to do a mans job.
(No pics) Perry is better than Romney. And the paul that should be running is rand. But for vp rubio. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:27:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: but I feel we need a moderate POTUS candidate who can bring the moderates and independents out.  |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:28:10 PM EDT
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Perry has some not-so-great ideas, but Bachmann may temper him..
And I would definitely vote for them if they were up against Obama. But we all know THAT is NOT gonna happen.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:29:24 PM EDT
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I say Pawlenty/Bachman
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:30:02 PM EDT
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I think Perry is not electible. Another Texas Republican with ties to Bush the liberal media with rip him a part with all kinds of lies and the sheepeople will believe it.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:30:55 PM EDT
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No, I'd rather see Bachmann/Perry.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:32:40 PM EDT
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I could certainly get behind Bachmann Ever see that Bachmann breastfeeding pic? Michelle ain't got nothing on Michele. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:32:46 PM EDT
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If Perry gets the nod, he'll need a VP that can deliver a swing state.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:37:06 PM EDT
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but I feel we need a moderate POTUS candidate who can bring the moderates and independents out.
We need a Constitutionalist candidate who can make their point well. A moderate will NOT do what is needed to save the country. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:37:43 PM EDT
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Only if it were reversed.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:37:56 PM EDT
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If Perry gets the nod, he'll need a VP that can deliver a swing state. Schwarzenegger |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:38:24 PM EDT
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I'd certainly pull the lever for that ticket over another 4 years of Obama. But Perry doesn't exactly excite me. To be honest, I can't say I'm overly excited by anyone in the field yet. A few of them are what I'd consider washed-up "has-beens". Most of the rest would make nice VP candidates, but they just don't seem to be the kind of folks who really rally the base and create a stir. This is the one thing I fear heading into this election. Obama is certainly vulnerable. Very vulnerable. But will our side field a candidate that creates enough buzz to overcome this weakened Obama? I don't know. I hope whoever we nominate ends up doing better than Bob Dole in 1996.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:40:13 PM EDT
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They're both great VP candidates, but I don't know if either is a great POTUS candidate. Either one will bring the religious right to the voting booths, but I feel we need a moderate POTUS candidate who can bring the moderates and independents out. Who ever it ends up being, I'll vote for. Not voting equals a vote for Obama. 
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:43:35 PM EDT
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Marco Rubio will be the VP nominee.
He a true conservative and gets the hispanic vote. Taking the hispanic vote away from Obama is critical. The VP slot has always been the "who would they attract to the ticket" position. Putting a black person on the ticket would draw some blacks towards the ticket. Putting a hispanic on the ticket would draw some hispanics towards the ticket. Putting a female on the ticket would do nothing as the female demographic does not respond in the same way. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:52:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Quoted: I could certainly get behind Bachmann Ever see that Bachmann breastfeeding pic? Michelle ain't got nothing on Michele. FAKE. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:56:02 PM EDT
[#34]
I think we can do better, but if it's them v Obama...
Definitely. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:56:49 PM EDT
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I'm not a huge fan of Bachman. I don't know a whole lot about Perry, but I am optimistic. With Perry being governor of Texas, though, I'm getting bad GWB flashbacks.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:00:45 PM EDT
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I could certainly get behind Bachmann I see what you did there. Eta: Perry for POTUS? Yes. Bachmann for VP? No. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:06:21 PM EDT
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of course, i'm not throwing my vote away on a third party and helping obama win another term perry seems to be saying all the right things right now imo |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:06:55 PM EDT
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Marco Rubio will be the VP nominee. He a true conservative and gets the hispanic vote. Taking the hispanic vote away from Obama is critical. The VP slot has always been the "who would they attract to the ticket" position. Putting a black person on the ticket would draw some blacks towards the ticket. Putting a hispanic on the ticket would draw some hispanics towards the ticket. Putting a female on the ticket would do nothing as the female demographic does not respond in the same way. You're missing a few key points in modern-day politics. The first being that the vast majority of the racists and sexists that you'd be pandering to with that kind of thinking are already voting Democrat and won't be swayed to vote R for someone they'd happily deride as a race traitor or gender sellout. The second being that the majority of Republicans vote for a candidate because they have genuinely held moral positions on the issues and feel that the candidate shares or at least will not be hostile to said morals. Third being that some Republican voters, myself in question, are really getting fed up with bullshit racism in politics today. I don't give a flying fuck if the most conservative candidate is white, black, brown, yellow, blue, green or some sickly purple color. I don't care if the most conservative candidate is male, female, neuter, hermaphroditic, "other" or "unsure". I'm getting real damned tired of having to pander to people that won't vote for a ticket unless one of their people, to paraphrase Holder, is represented. That's not the route to a strong America, that's nothing but a road to eventual balkanization. There's already a political party on the scene that prides itself on its lack of morals, vision, and Americanism. You're not going to beat them at their own game, and you're not going to woo their racist little sycophants away from them by nominating token diversity candidates. Instead you should be supporting the nomination of the candidate, regardless of anything immaterial like race or gender, that supports what's best for America. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:06:57 PM EDT
[#39]
if you take away Romney, I don't think I see a more electable pair than this
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:13:39 PM EDT
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if you take away Romney, I don't think I see a more electable pair than this Answer this bill. Do you see the Christian, Conservative South getting behind a Morman moderate? He will not win if he is the nominee. Perry needs to shit or get off the pot. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:22:04 PM EDT
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Don't get me wrong, I don't like Romney as a candidate. But I think he'd be very popular.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:30:12 PM EDT
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The vice president spot is a calculated decision based on many factors. The home state of the presidential nominee. The current political climate in the various states. The platform the nominee runs on. I see Perry needing a mid Atlantic or Northeast Republican VP. Perry can easily carry the South, it's the Northeast we would have to battle for and obtaining a popular VP pick from the region would be a plus. I Northern Man of Southern Sensibilities? Then I guess we're looking at someone away from the coast, a hillbilly? |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:37:36 PM EDT
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Marco Rubio will be the VP nominee. He a true conservative and gets the hispanic vote. Taking the hispanic vote away from Obama is critical. The VP slot has always been the "who would they attract to the ticket" position. Putting a black person on the ticket would draw some blacks towards the ticket. Putting a hispanic on the ticket would draw some hispanics towards the ticket. Putting a female on the ticket would do nothing as the female demographic does not respond in the same way. You're missing a few key points in modern-day politics. The first being that the vast majority of the racists and sexists that you'd be pandering to with that kind of thinking are already voting Democrat and won't be swayed to vote R for someone they'd happily deride as a race traitor or gender sellout. The second being that the majority of Republicans vote for a candidate because they have genuinely held moral positions on the issues and feel that the candidate shares or at least will not be hostile to said morals. Third being that some Republican voters, myself in question, are really getting fed up with bullshit racism in politics today. I don't give a flying fuck if the most conservative candidate is white, black, brown, yellow, blue, green or some sickly purple color. I don't care if the most conservative candidate is male, female, neuter, hermaphroditic, "other" or "unsure". I'm getting real damned tired of having to pander to people that won't vote for a ticket unless one of their people, to paraphrase Holder, is represented. That's not the route to a strong America, that's nothing but a road to eventual balkanization. There's already a political party on the scene that prides itself on its lack of morals, vision, and Americanism. You're not going to beat them at their own game, and you're not going to woo their racist little sycophants away from them by nominating token diversity candidates. Instead you should be supporting the nomination of the candidate, regardless of anything immaterial like race or gender, that supports what's best for America. You speak of Republicans and conservatives.... It's the Independents that choose the President. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:41:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:42:29 PM EDT
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I'd vote for two of the three Stooges over Obama!
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:42:29 PM EDT
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+  |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:43:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Perry is the only Republican I would truly support at this point in time.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:46:43 PM EDT
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You speak of Republicans and conservatives.... It's the Independents that choose the President. No, I am talking party policies. You're not going to attract many independents by playing stupid racist games or playing Democrats Lite. You'd be well advised to take a solid stand on the issues and point out the useless waffling/pandering/racism of your opponents. As it is the Republican party is allowing itself to be shoehorned into the other side's playbook with just the same kind of shallow and incorrect logic you're using. It's far better to define your own party than to let your opponents define some fictional middle ground. Take control of the rhetoric, take control of the language, offer solid positions. As it is, you're just suggesting we play the same "water down our morals and offer a hyphenated-American vote" game that the Democrats do. That's not going to work, isn't working and hasn't worked. They're always going to be better at compromising and being racists. Might as well choose to define our own politics. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:47:50 PM EDT
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Yep
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Posted: 6/21/2011 2:50:08 PM EDT
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You speak of Republicans and conservatives.... It's the Independents that choose the President. No, I am talking party policies. You're not going to attract many independents by playing stupid racist games or playing Democrats Lite. You'd be well advised to take a solid stand on the issues and point out the useless waffling/pandering/racism of your opponents. As it is the Republican party is allowing itself to be shoehorned into the other side's playbook with just the same kind of shallow and incorrect logic you're using. It's far better to define your own party than to let your opponents define some fictional middle ground. Take control of the rhetoric, take control of the language, offer solid positions. As it is, you're just suggesting we play the same "water down our morals and offer a hyphenated-American vote" game that the Democrats do. That's not going to work, isn't working and hasn't worked. They're always going to be better at compromising and being racists. Might as well choose to define our own politics. I think you're speaking of politics as most of us would like to see it, not of what it actually is. You can dislike it as much as you want, but it's always going to be there. |
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