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Posted: 10/25/2016 2:09:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:10:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2016 2:11:47 PM EDT by Azygos]
Sure, why not? It's a wooden penetrator. I'd sharpen up a wooden kitchen spoon if necessary to dispatch a vampire.

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Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:10:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2016 2:11:45 PM EDT by beitodesstrafe]
As in a shotgun shell loaded with them and fired through the heart?

Yes



Also IBTP, lol



ETA, throw some silver slivers in there too... dual purpose round!
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:10:51 PM EDT
Why is my Nike Apple 2 watch taking so longer to get delivered?
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:11:27 PM EDT
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Sure, why not?

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Word for word what i was coming in to post.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:11:38 PM EDT
through and through - useless unless they remain lodged, iirc
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:13:18 PM EDT
With enough velocity, and the right distance yes.

They just have to pierce the heart.

So i would try to have someone hold him down with some garlic and a cross, and shove the ol'double Biden home defense special where the sun don't shine, and blast those wooden flechettes throughout his chest cavity.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:13:30 PM EDT
Well considering higher vampires can only be killed by other higher vampires.....no

Good luck on being devoured OP!
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:13:45 PM EDT
Just because your AR-15 is the better home defense gun it doesn't mean you have to resort to outlandish excuses to get a shotgun.

You clearly want one.

Just buy it!

Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:13:46 PM EDT
In my experience they are only marginally useful. Nothing tops the tried and true mallet and stake approach.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:14:19 PM EDT
Yes. If blessed by the Virgin Mary and St. Issas. WW II German wood practice boolits would be ideal.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:15:39 PM EDT
I'm sure toothpicks would work fine. They're just miniature wooden stakes.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:16:11 PM EDT
If fired through the heart of a notional vampire that can be killed by wood through the heart, yes, why not?
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:16:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2016 2:17:37 PM EDT by governmentman]
Would bamboo count as wood for staking a vampire? If so, improvised bamboo pipe bombs for vampire room clearing?
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:16:45 PM EDT
I'd say it would depend on if wood has to touch the heart or actually transfix (through and through) the heart. If you have to spike all the way through, nope.

Also, not sure how far light small toothpicks will fly while retaining the ability to pierce undead flesh and ribcage.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:17:05 PM EDT
Why do you want to kill the vampire ?





Am I one of the first 10 ?
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:17:40 PM EDT
Only really small vampires.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:17:52 PM EDT
Depends on your personal fantasy.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:25:39 PM EDT
I've got two 12g shells loaded with wooden toothpicks and two more with 18" hardwood dowels. Bring it on. Let's see you do that with a 5.56.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:32:06 PM EDT
Wasn't the old myth that you had to use a stake made from a certain type of wood, and the purpose of the stake was to physically pin the vampire inside his coffin thus preventing him from rising from the dead again?
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:33:19 PM EDT
The wooden flechettes actually have to get to the vampire's heart to kill them. Wooden flechettes small enough to fit in a shotgun shell would have a horrible ballistic coefficient loosing energy fast. They would start with minimal energy due to being so light. Wood is less than 10% the density of lead so where a typical 1 oz 12 gauge rifle-slug (1760fps) has roughly 3000ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. The entire payload of flechettes would thus have less than 10% of that mass and thus less than 10% of the energy if launch at the same velocity. Each flechette would have pellet gun type energies and due to the very low density would have nearly 10 times worst ballistic coefficient. They would bleed kinetic energy supper fast The flechettes could likely be stopped heavy clothing at all but nearly point blank ranges and would likely never penetrate the chest cavity even at point blank range. Ballistics are still a bitch even when fighting preternatural critters. There is a reason no one uses wood bullets.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:34:36 PM EDT
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Wasn't the old myth that you had to use a stake made from a certain type of wood, and the purpose of the stake was to physically pin the vampire inside his coffin thus preventing him from rising from the dead again?
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This is my recollection from reading Dracula years ago.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:35:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MikeJGA:
I've got two 12g shells loaded with wooden toothpicks and two more with 18" hardwood dowels. Bring it on. Let's see you do that with a 5.56.
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You can with blank rounds on hand.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:35:25 PM EDT
Depends on the Vampire variant.
Some, stakes make them go 'poof'. (See Buffy TVS)
Other types, heart impalation immobilizes them long enough for decapitation to occur. (See MHI)
Sunlight captured in a handkerchief was handy, once. (See Harry Dresden.)

Which world are you playing in, and what's your loadout? Base of operations? Threat level?

We need more details to properly prepare for your vampire catastrophe. Generally speaking, wood stakes, holy water, and a good machete are useful. Road flares for burning the remains.

Garlic just makes you tastier.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:35:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:35:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By slama682:

This is my recollection from reading Dracula years ago.
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Originally Posted By JsARCLIGHT:
Wasn't the old myth that you had to use a stake made from a certain type of wood, and the purpose of the stake was to physically pin the vampire inside his coffin thus preventing him from rising from the dead again?

This is my recollection from reading Dracula years ago.

Aww nuts. Then it won't work.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:37:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jman78:
With enough velocity, and the right distance yes.

They just have to pierce the heart.

So i would try to have someone hold him down with some garlic and a cross, and shove the ol'double Biden home defense special where the sun don't shine, and blast those wooden flechettes throughout his chest cavity.
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So like a bangstick for sharks
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:38:59 PM EDT
No, because my experience with the steel flechettes in shotgun shells showed that they all tumbled out of the barrel and I had them all keyholing, hitting with the fins, etc.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:41:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:



What if you were using a very dense wood like ebony or purpleheart?

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The wooden flechettes actually have to get to the vampire's heart to kill them. Wooden flechettes small enough to fit in a shotgun shell would have a horrible ballistic coefficient loosing energy fast. They would start with minimal energy due to being so light. Wood is less than 10% the density of lead so where a typical 1 oz 12 gauge rifle-slug (1760fps) has roughly 3000ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. The entire payload of flechettes would thus have less than 10% of that mass and thus less than 10% of the energy if launch at the same velocity. Each flechette would have pellet gun type energies and due to the very low density would have nearly 10 times worst ballistic coefficient. They would bleed kinetic energy supper fast The flechettes could likely be stopped heavy clothing at all but nearly point blank ranges and would likely never penetrate the chest cavity even at point blank range. Ballistics are still a bitch even when fighting preternatural critters. There is a reason no one uses wood bullets.



What if you were using a very dense wood like ebony or purpleheart?


Ebony is almost exactly 10% the density of lead.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:51:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JsARCLIGHT:
Wasn't the old myth that you had to use a stake made from a certain type of wood, and the purpose of the stake was to physically pin the vampire inside his coffin thus preventing him from rising from the dead again?
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Like anything else, there are multiple versions of the same thing.

Vampires are higher undead, given powers through a demonic/alchemical curse. Stuff like zombies and other lower undead are powered by simple biology - the zombie necrovirus, or similar.

Because vampires are powered by a curse, the way to destroy them is, of course, to break the curse.

Exposure to sunlight physically harms the body. Physical attacks can also hurt them, but they regenerate very quickly so it's not easy to overcome them this way. Holy water can burn them, too, but again, it's a physical attack that they can recover from.

Staking the heart shuts down the blood flow, which prevents the curse from operating. It "unplugs" the vampire. But it's still a physical attack that they could, if the stake were removed, recover from.

To truly "kill" a vampire, you must remove the head and turn everything to ash.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:54:44 PM EDT
Probably, but....

According to my research the most effective means is actually decapitation. I believe that's how they took down Dracula in the original novel by Bram Stoker, a Texan cut his head off with a Bowie Knife.

According to Transylvanian legends an iron spike was more effective than a wooden stake.

As for silver bullets, silver doesn't properly engage rifling. It needs to be either a silver alloy or a silver filled hollow point. Preferably blessed by a priest or something.

Silver buckshot is also an option.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:55:14 PM EDT
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They wouldn't survive the g-shock
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:55:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcb:


Ebony is almost exactly 10% the density of lead.
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The wooden flechettes actually have to get to the vampire's heart to kill them. Wooden flechettes small enough to fit in a shotgun shell would have a horrible ballistic coefficient loosing energy fast. They would start with minimal energy due to being so light. Wood is less than 10% the density of lead so where a typical 1 oz 12 gauge rifle-slug (1760fps) has roughly 3000ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. The entire payload of flechettes would thus have less than 10% of that mass and thus less than 10% of the energy if launch at the same velocity. Each flechette would have pellet gun type energies and due to the very low density would have nearly 10 times worst ballistic coefficient. They would bleed kinetic energy supper fast The flechettes could likely be stopped heavy clothing at all but nearly point blank ranges and would likely never penetrate the chest cavity even at point blank range. Ballistics are still a bitch even when fighting preternatural critters. There is a reason no one uses wood bullets.



What if you were using a very dense wood like ebony or purpleheart?



Ebony is almost exactly 10% the density of lead.


Purpleheart is also toxic to humans. If I have to use wood I'm going to use that.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 2:57:50 PM EDT
Guess you didn't watch Count Duckula.

Link Posted: 10/25/2016 3:02:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Circuits:
through and through - useless unless they remain lodged, iirc
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This.

A C02 spear gun would likely be a more effective choice.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 3:10:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
Would bamboo count as wood for staking a vampire? If so, improvised bamboo pipe bombs for vampire room clearing?
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Bamboo is actually a grass...
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 3:11:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JsARCLIGHT:
Wasn't the old myth that you had to use a stake made from a certain type of wood, and the purpose of the stake was to physically pin the vampire inside his coffin thus preventing him from rising from the dead again?
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Came to post this. It'd be fun to watch the vampire try to writhe and wiggle its way out of that.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 3:11:29 PM EDT
You have to cut off the head. It's the only way, unless you have Samuel Colt's Colt.
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Originally Posted By PriapusMaximus:



This.

A C02 spear gun would likely be a more effective choice.
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through and through - useless unless they remain lodged, iirc



This.

A C02 spear gun would likely be a more effective choice.


Too bad someone couldn't mount a speargun under the barrel of an ar-15.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 3:16:52 PM EDT
Anita Blake uses a shotgun loaded with silver buckshot.

She has the highest number of vampire kills in the U.S.

She will take the head too on older vampires, or Masters.
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You have to cut off the head. It's the only way, unless you have Samuel Colt's Colt.
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Nailed it
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 3:19:50 PM EDT
too light

like toothpicks flying around
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 3:21:34 PM EDT
Maybe. Would have to be a heart shot. I would rather use hollow points filled with silver nitrate and garlic.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 3:25:05 PM EDT
of course, silly question
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 3:26:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JsARCLIGHT:
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it is the act of binding the undead to the earth. flatchette round doesn't do that.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 3:29:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LEON_Carol:


it is the act of binding the undead to the earth. flatchette round doesn't do that.
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Originally Posted By JsARCLIGHT:
Wasn't the old myth that you had to use a stake made from a certain type of wood, and the purpose of the stake was to physically pin the vampire inside his coffin thus preventing him from rising from the dead again?


it is the act of binding the undead to the earth. flatchette round doesn't do that.
Duh, thats what anchor shots are for
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 4:24:39 PM EDT
Flechettes are too light to do appreciable damage. Wooden ones would shatter and spray, with minimal impact. You need a big stake through the heart. Think crossbow bolt.
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Link Posted: 10/25/2016 5:20:18 PM EDT
Certainly
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 5:21:33 PM EDT
Knot a chance.
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