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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:25:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:25:55 PM EDT
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They make nice round holes with fairly even wound channels.
Hollow points make nice round holes with jagged wound channels. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:28:30 PM EDT
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Made for paper punching, better than no bullet.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:28:39 PM EDT
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One of the best 38/357 bullets is the 158 Gr. Lead Semi Wad Cutter Hollow Point.
Full wadcutters make sweet holes in paper and penetrate really well. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:28:40 PM EDT
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Sure, if you're fighting paper people.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:29:37 PM EDT
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Sure, if you're fighting paper people. 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:30:03 PM EDT
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One of the best 38/357 bullets is the 158 Gr. Lead Semi Wad Cutter Hollow Point. Full wadcutters make sweet holes in paper and penetrate really well. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:30:57 PM EDT
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... No
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:32:43 PM EDT
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A hot .38 158gr LSWC is a better round than a 9mm 147gr ball. The LSWC in .357 is no joke.
Standard WC are loaded light but cut tissue well all things considered. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:34:03 PM EDT
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Don't even bother to do a Google search on this idea. Because there is no information about this.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:34:16 PM EDT
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Sure, if you're fighting paper people. Flat Sam? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:35:05 PM EDT
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Don't even bother to do a Google search on this idea. Because there is no information about this. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:35:27 PM EDT
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I wouldn't want to be standing on the wrong side of one.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:35:34 PM EDT
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Sure, if you're fighting paper people. Every shotgun Mafia thread ever, "Let me shoot you with it and see how you like it" and "My Daddy's Uncle's cousin's stepson's nephew saw a dude shot with one. I'd ask him, but he's dead." |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:36:14 PM EDT
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According to some readings I've done they cut very clean holes through people that bleed out well since a clean cut blood vessel doesn't clot up as easily as a jagged wound. Usually low velocity so recoil is mild and for people sensitive to recoil is a blessing. Beats hell out of a round nose. In the old days you had a choice between round nose or wadcutters in .38 spl.
NOT a horrible choice for a snubby. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:36:25 PM EDT
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Back in the old days we hot loaded hollow base wadcutters backward as personal defense ammo.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:36:46 PM EDT
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Hollow base wadcutters loaded backwards.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:39:36 PM EDT
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Dad is old school and we had this debate over the weekend. What is the hive's opinion? You don't need the "hive's opinion". 
Doc GKR explains it well in the Arfcom FAQs about Best Ammo. http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#mozTocId147912 Basically, full wadcutters do about as well as JHPs out of a snub nosed revolver against the 4 layer denim test. http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Misc_Images/DocGKR/38_Sp_BUG_load_sample.jpg |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:40:48 PM EDT
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Back in the old days we hot loaded hollow base wadcutters backward as personal defense ammo.  38 Special +P Atomic Ammo 148 Grain HBWC Loaded Backward Gel Test |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:40:54 PM EDT
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ETA: THE OP CHANGED THE THREAD TITLE. IT ORIGINALLY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A 2" BARREL.
Depends on how you define "good," I suppose... when it comes to self-defense, I don't see a reason to settle for less than the best you can get. A wadcutter isn't going to do this 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:42:27 PM EDT
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Depends on how you define "good," I suppose... when it comes to self-defense, I don't see a reason to settle for less than the best you can get. A wadcutter isn't going to do this https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fb/2e/41/fb2e41942ffc41d7880cb0ffa6794895.jpg See above. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:44:13 PM EDT
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Don't even bother to do a Google search on this idea. Because there is no information about this. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:44:42 PM EDT
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You don't need the "hive's opinion".
Doc GKR explains it well in the Arfcom FAQs about Best Ammo. http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#mozTocId147912 Basically, full wadcutters do about as well as JHPs out of a snub nosed revolver against the 4 layer denim test. http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Misc_Images/DocGKR/38_Sp_BUG_load_sample.jpg 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:49:01 PM EDT
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And neither are most JHPs out of a 2 inch revolver against heavy clothing. See above. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Depends on how you define "good," I suppose... when it comes to self-defense, I don't see a reason to settle for less than the best you can get. A wadcutter isn't going to do this https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fb/2e/41/fb2e41942ffc41d7880cb0ffa6794895.jpg See above. The OP didn't say anything about a 2" barrel or heavy clothing. Why would you carry wadcutters when you could carry something that will perform far better under a lot of circumstances? I don't see the point of saying that you might face a situation where the JHP doesn't have a significant advantage. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:51:57 PM EDT
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Penetration>Expansion
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:55:37 PM EDT
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There is a reason the old school gun bugs advocated their use over lead round nose. Out of a snub I am not sure there would be much difference between the classic metro load and a modern JHP. As you add more barrel length and you can take advantage of velocity, I'd bet you would start to see a difference.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:56:03 PM EDT
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The OP didn't say anything about a 2" barrel or heavy clothing. Why would you carry wadcutters when you could carry something that will perform far better under a lot of circumstances? I don't see the point of saying that you might face a situation where the JHP doesn't have a significant advantage. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:58:17 PM EDT
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Don't even bother to do a Google search on this idea. Because there is no information about this. 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:11:18 PM EDT
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I've read that wadcutters are better than lead round nose or ball as well. Keep in mind 20 years ago, you were limited on non +P 38 special rounds that were on the market. And you couldn't just jump online and order it. You'd be lucky to find it at a gun show. Today, you can get just about anything if you have a credit card. But damn near every Walmart had wadcutters. Still not horrible for a new shooter who might not like the recoil.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:11:27 PM EDT
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You don't need the "hive's opinion".
Doc GKR explains it well in the Arfcom FAQs about Best Ammo. http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#mozTocId147912 Basically, full wadcutters do about as well as JHPs out of a snub nosed revolver against the 4 layer denim test. http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Misc_Images/DocGKR/38_Sp_BUG_load_sample.jpg I wouldn't want to catch a wadcutter to the chest... And I would have zero problems carrying them, even my handloaded ones: 
These were fired @ ~10' into water jugs from my 442... 130gr +P Ranger Bonded (RA38B): 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:13:02 PM EDT
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Depends on how you define "good," I suppose... when it comes to self-defense, I don't see a reason to settle for less than the best you can get. A wadcutter isn't going to do this https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fb/2e/41/fb2e41942ffc41d7880cb0ffa6794895.jpg |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:14:35 PM EDT
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The OP didn't say anything about a 2" barrel or heavy clothing. Why would you carry wadcutters when you could carry something that will perform far better under a lot of circumstances? I don't see the point of saying that you might face a situation where the JHP doesn't have a significant advantage. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:20:11 PM EDT
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Neither will more JHP ammo from a 2" Brl in anything but bare gel. With dramatically more recoil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Depends on how you define "good," I suppose... when it comes to self-defense, I don't see a reason to settle for less than the best you can get. A wadcutter isn't going to do this https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fb/2e/41/fb2e41942ffc41d7880cb0ffa6794895.jpg |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:22:03 PM EDT
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They will make a hole that will bleed profusely and you would probably have to plug with a finger to get it to slow down.
As Forged in Fire says " This bullet will kill." |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:30:12 PM EDT
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Because JHP ammo, when it expands, often under penetrates in marginal calibers like .380 and .38Spc Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The OP didn't say anything about a 2" barrel or heavy clothing. Why would you carry wadcutters when you could carry something that will perform far better under a lot of circumstances? I don't see the point of saying that you might face a situation where the JHP doesn't have a significant advantage. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:37:14 PM EDT
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Soft lead hollow base wad cutters would be a poor choice .
SWC design would be a better option. But personally I'd use jacketed hollow points . gd |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:38:40 PM EDT
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Very, but shot placement becomes even more important. The newer HP's for short barrels is good stuff, the older standard HPs, not so good.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:39:38 PM EDT
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Because JHP ammo, when it expands, often under penetrates in marginal calibers like .380 and .38Spc |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:40:13 PM EDT
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Depends on how you define "good," I suppose... when it comes to self-defense, I don't see a reason to settle for less than the best you can get. A wadcutter isn't going to do this https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fb/2e/41/fb2e41942ffc41d7880cb0ffa6794895.jpg |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:42:28 PM EDT
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When dealing with 2" or shorter barrels, velocity becomes a HUGE factor in whether or not a JHP will expand like that. If I had to carry a .38 snub, I'd load it with Buffalo Bore 150gr. hard-cast wadcutters. A clean, deep wound channel that isn't velocity-dependent. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:43:14 PM EDT
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For a time I carried the hollow base wad cutters in a snubbie, but thought better of it when they failed to penetrate an old washing machine I was shooting.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:51:19 PM EDT
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How is a .357 bullet weighing 158gr going 900fps considered marginal but a .355 bullet weighing 147gr going 950fps is not? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:53:23 PM EDT
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I love the wadcutters. I just fired a couple hundred last week through three wheel guns. They fly like a laser beam.
For defense, I carry HST loads in all the things.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:54:42 PM EDT
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When pushing HBWC I was always told to be careful not to load them too hot. The obvious reason is you don't want to lead the barrel. If loaded too hot, the hollow base could be left in the barrel, pushing out the wadcutter. The follow up shot could be dicy. I never had this problem, because I kept them fairly slow.
There was an article years ago about loading HBWC backwards. I loaded some up. Accuracy was acceptable at 25 yds. Hitting a 1/2" plate, they flattened to about 1-1/8" dia. The bullet was 5/8" long unfired and flattened to 3/16" tall. You could also drive them faster because you didn't have to worry about base seperation, tho leading would still be an issue. These were speer 148gr HBWC , 4.2 gr W231, CCI 500 , WW brass. OAL inverted 1.145", 6" python. Per Hornady 3rd, they were about 950fps.Cost was 7.2 cents/ Rd last time I loaded these. All of this is OLD data, find newer data elsewhere. HBWC loaded normal, no expansion in the wood we were shooting at. None. I wouldn't recommend the above reversed HBWC for SD, they are inconsistent. When they do expand, it's big. I did use one of these to dispatch a medium sized animal at close range. It was dead before it hit the ground. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:56:28 PM EDT
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Don't even bother to do a Google search on this idea. Because there is no information about this. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 5:13:34 PM EDT
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How is a .357 bullet weighing 158gr going 900fps considered marginal but a .355 bullet weighing 147gr going 950fps is not? With +P you can expect about 780FPS with 158Gn from a 2". |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 5:17:52 PM EDT
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Plated DEWCs loaded stout would be a good load in either stubby or duty size revolvers.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 5:19:20 PM EDT
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Feel free to go back to talking about the eclipse, Taylor Swift and trannies, leave the gun talk to the big kids. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 5:25:04 PM EDT
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In a snubbie, LWCs are a good compromise between low recoil and terminal performance. I used to handload lots of LWCs for my S&W 49.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 5:34:03 PM EDT
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You won't get 158 @900FPS from a 2" .38 Lets see what most 9mm hollowpoints do from a 2" barrel. |
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