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Posted: 10/12/2004 5:46:58 PM EST
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Just wondering if that would sustain hits from a 9x19 out of a 16".

115 FMJs?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 5:47:54 PM EST
all day long I would think.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:09:38 PM EST
Ok, just wanted to make sure.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:12:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 7:12:46 PM EST by coondog]
Yeah, it syas it would hold up to a .44 mag . The 9mm doesn't even come close to that kind of power even w/ the longer barrell. It also weighs 22 lbs., that is pretty stout.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:13:15 PM EST
You're good. 9mm doesnt do much to steel.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:45:54 PM EST
At 1600 FPS you may wanna rethink that.... Especially since most carbine shooters are ammo burners... :)

Most hotter 9mm 115 Grain rounds will get to around 1500-1600 FPS from a 16" Barrel, and that friends is rough on steel.

My old Mini Uzi Carbine would regularly clock 1605FPS with +P 9mm rounds (22" Barrel), and it would crater poppers fairly quickly. My rebarrelled Marlin Camp Carbine 9mm will do 1650FPS with +P loads.

Anything jacketed moving at much over 1200 FPS is gonna be hard on the plate and the frame. I'm not saying the target won't take it, but it will be harder on it than the caliber would otherwise suggest because of the high muzzle velocities.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:50:08 PM EST
I have a similar spinner target that is supposed to take up to a .44 mag but I have hit the frame with 9mm out of a USPc9 and it is bent all to shit...consequently, nont of the spinners work quite right anymore...the plates themselves are undamaged but the frame (which is similar to that in the picture) is a mess. I can't wait to get a nice set of competitive targets
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:03:47 PM EST
Similar spinner shot at 100yds with a .223.



Link Posted: 10/12/2004 8:08:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Fourays2:


all day long I would think.



+1
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 11:50:26 PM EST
Probably not. It's up to a .44 magnum hand gun. theres that word right over there HAND. Compare the muzzle velocities, momentum and kinetic energy of a 44 mag and the 9 at the speeds it's coming out of a 16" barrel.

I had a buddy with a Reising and the things a 45acp would do coming out of there were pretty impressive.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:44:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:52:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 12:52:42 AM EST by glockguy40]

Originally Posted By michael_aos:
Similar spinner shot at 100yds with a .223.

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What is the closest you can shoot at that thing without worrying about splash back??? (without using frangibles)
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:38:25 AM EST
The target hit w/.223 looks kind of like the T-1000 in T2 after Sarah hammered it with that 12 guage using slugs. I doubt this spinner will heal itself though.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:43:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By coondog:
The target hit w/.223 looks kind of like the T-1000 in T2 after Sarah hammered it with that 12 guage using slugs. I doubt this spinner will heal itself though.



Thats sounds like a bet.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 3:05:32 AM EST
Considering the average velocity of a 115gr 9x19 out of a 16" barrel... I'm beginning to doubt this would take hits too well.

After all, at 25 yards, a 9mm coming out of a 16" barrel has almost the same amount of joules as a .357 magnum. Then, you have velocity to contend with also.

That is a lot to ask from steel.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 3:16:03 AM EST
Some time back a buddy and I destroyed one of those in a day at the range with a .45 and a .40S&W.....split the center of it and cracked the piviot point....about 100 rounds were fired at it.

We ended it's life with a deer slug to it....the target flew down range about 50 feet....

I don't think that they are as tough as they claim they are...although it would be ok for .22's, it's just that after 100 rounds, it was no longer usable....
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:18:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dog1:
Some time back a buddy and I destroyed one of those in a day at the range with a .45 and a .40S&W.....split the center of it and cracked the piviot point....about 100 rounds were fired at it.

We ended it's life with a deer slug to it....the target flew down range about 50 feet....

I don't think that they are as tough as they claim they are...although it would be ok for .22's, it's just that after 100 rounds, it was no longer usable....



The hell if I'll pay that much money for something that will last that short of a time.

Hell, my money would be better spent on a 55gallon drum. I tell you, that's probably the best target ever (besides a car, which is a little too big).
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:36:55 PM EST
Something that I found that worked in the past is "boiler plate".

I found some at a local machine shop that had it laying out back...it's pretty tough and often it's really cheap to get...

I'd look at local shops and see if you can score some....if they have a plasma torch they, can cut you any shape you want...
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 12:53:21 PM EST
we just finished framing/building a house and went to throw out the old blades from the 12" compound miter saw. No idea what the thickness is etc. Well anyway we were going shooting so I threw them in my trunk.

With a 9MM 16" barrel: Winchester White Box We set them up against the railroad ties at the range.


50 - 75 yards - nice clean holes - with the 75 looking like it "split" the metal. long cracks.

at 100 yards about 75% the time - a little divet and no hole - bounced right off. The ones that went through didn't leave a hole - they left a slit.

I am totally guessing - if you are going for anything over 50 - 75 yards - you should be ok with the spinner and a rilfe.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 1:06:16 PM EST
Please use eye protection on steel and if you getting remotely close I'd use frangible ammo.

Splashback is a real concern.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 1:22:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 1:34:09 PM EST by the1_roadrunner]
Yes, I use 1/2" or 5/8" cold rolled all the time to make up swingers and spinners. We consider them expendable but they last sevaral shoots. We usually set them out about 200yds. Typically .223 hits look just like the moon cratered pic above. AK hits a little deeper, .308 hits will penatrate through sometimes. We put out a piece of 1-3/4" cold rolled and the only thing we could punch through with was a Browning 1919 50cal..

--RR
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 1:34:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 1:34:13 PM EST by Old_Painless]
The site says, " For Centerfire handguns up to a .44 Magnum".

That's a lot more horsepower than a 9mm.

The targets shown that were shot with a .223 show something a lot of people forget.

An AR15 in .223 is a rifle shooting rifle ammo.

A 9mm carbine is just a long barreled pistol.

Don't worry about the 9's penetrating the steel.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 2:00:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 2:01:51 PM EST by legalese77]
the 9s won't penetrate the plates but my spinner target looks like this after a few hundred rounds out of a compact 9mm pistol...b/c the crossbars are so badly bent, they don't spin right anymore... I'd rather spend the money on quality competitive targets or save it and make my own targets (current situation)

Link Posted: 10/13/2004 6:45:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2004 6:47:10 PM EST by Sturmwehr]

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Don't worry about the 9's penetrating the steel.



Oh, I'm not worry about that. I'm just worried that after going through a few 31rd magazines, they steel is going to be bent to hell on the swing-arms.

No way will it penetrate that, but I don't think they ment for it to take velocities THAT high and keep working for more than 200 rounds.




Dear god! Was there a bump firing contest or something at your home?
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 8:39:21 PM EST
If you like that, I should take a picture of the clothes washer in the backyard
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