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Posted: 8/24/2017 12:57:29 AM EDT
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Gee, a libertarian site had a quiz to convince you that you're libertarian so you'll realize (totally on your own) that you should be supporting libertarians?
Shocking. |
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More libertarian "the draft is slavery!" Hand wringing.
Want more than 2% of the population to care about you...how about a coherent position on defense and immigration and drop the issue last raised over 45 years ago. |
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Lots of open borders advocates in this thread.
I guess having Juan and Wang swarm into the country is a small price to pay to smoke a bowl for you patriots. |
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Roughly the same
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A Libertarian is an Open Borders advocate. The quiz even references it as touchstone issue, along with the draft. View Quote Where does the quiz mention open borders? |
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All yeses on that quiz but it's not really that easy. I agree with most libertarian principles but they're fucking nuts with defense and security issues. In addition to other things.
Also, people who have libertarian ideals are usually great... the party itself is screwy. |
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The Libertarian Party advocates for open borders. A Libertarian is an Open Borders advocate. The quiz even references it as touchstone issue, along with the draft. View Quote Pipe dream, I know, but that's the idea. I'm a "small L" libertarian, but not a member of the Liberatarian Party. |
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Maybe a member of the Libertarian Party. But that's like saying every Republican wants to run everyone's sex life. Where does the quiz mention open borders? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Maybe a member of the Libertarian Party. But that's like saying every Republican wants to run everyone's sex life. Where does the quiz mention open borders? End government barriers to international free trade A truly free market requires the free movement of people, not just products and ideas. |
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Another part of their platform is the elimination or extreme reduction of government freebies, thus reducing the appeal for gimmigrants, which would make an open border less of a big deal. Pipe dream, I know, but that's the idea. I'm a "small L" libertarian, but not a member of the Liberatarian Party. View Quote Like, that's the theory? |
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I took the quiz for how it was worded. If it had mentioned open borders, then I'd have an issue with it. View Quote If I want to know what a Catholic believes, I read the Catecism of the Catholic Church. If I want to know what a Republican wants, I read the GOP party statement. See, I know what LP believes when it says "Free Trade." Because I googled it, and they to their credit, lay it out in black and white. |
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So 500 million immigrants are going to show up, and immediately become small government Jeffersonian democrats? Like, that's the theory? View Quote |
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I guess the idea is that many won't want to come in the first place if the Free Shit isn't flowing. Or more likely, they'll show up, the Democrats will tell them that the Republicans Libertarians are racist and they need to vote for a Democrat the get the Free Shit turned back on. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So 500 million immigrants are going to show up, and immediately become small government Jeffersonian democrats? Like, that's the theory? Libertarianism is a LOT like Communism, it looks and sounds great on Paper, but its a Utopian System, won't work, can't work. |
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Libertarians believe in open borders. View Quote |
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Some libertarians. Not all of them. Not every libertarian belongs to the Libertarian Party and not every Republican is a GOP ball gargler. Plenty of individuals disagree with whatever political party they support but do so because it's better than the alternative. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Libertarians believe in open borders. |
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Libertarians believe in open borders. If I want to know what a Catholic believes, I read the Catecism of the Catholic Church. If I want to know what a Republican wants, I read the GOP party statement. See, I know what LP believes when it says "Free Trade." Because I googled it, and they to their credit, lay it out in black and white. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I took the quiz for how it was worded. If it had mentioned open borders, then I'd have an issue with it. If I want to know what a Catholic believes, I read the Catecism of the Catholic Church. If I want to know what a Republican wants, I read the GOP party statement. See, I know what LP believes when it says "Free Trade." Because I googled it, and they to their credit, lay it out in black and white. |
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All yeses on that quiz but it's not really that easy. I agree with most libertarian principles but they're fucking nuts with defense and security issues. In addition to other things. Also, people who have libertarian ideals are usually great... the party itself is screwy. View Quote |
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Centrist here, draft maybe when it's wartime. Otherwise all the conservatives will die.
Drug laws nope, weed go for it, but cocaine heroin ahhh no. Privatize social security allow people to do it for themselves nope only if they can pass an basic math test. I'm tired of paying for others. |
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I think where I slide a little toward the left is my feeling about government sometimes helping businesses that keep the country ahead. |
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https://youtu.be/EO68Kvb9fD4
Full member mind helping a brother out? |
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Centrist here, draft maybe when it's wartime. Otherwise all the conservatives will die. Drug laws nope, weed go for it, but cocaine heroin ahhh no. Privatize social security allow people to do it for themselves nope only if they can pass an basic math test. I'm tired of paying for others. View Quote Even coke and heroin. What have our laws done to stop people from doing them? How much more of my tax money do you need to keep a failing at a war on drugs You can't force people to make good decisions. You can only hold them accountable for their own actions and not bail them out when they make poor decisions. Taxation is theft. |
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Libertarian here. Forcing people to be soldiers does not make good soldiers. Even coke and heroin. What have our laws done to stop people from doing them? How much more of my tax money do you need to keep a failing at a war on drugs You can't force people to make good decisions. You can only hold them accountable for their own actions and not bail them out when they make poor decisions. Taxation is theft. View Quote |
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https://i.imgur.com/NhEjpcw.jpg The libertarian party is currently undergoing an invasion by the left who have christened themselves libertarian socialists. What they really are, are just fucking socialists attempting to hijack the party. Sarwark and Vohl among them. I follow the teachings of Hans Hermann Hoppe. "There can be no tolerance for communists and democrats in a libertarian social order" #Removalbyforce. View Quote |
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I'm really not a fan of Nicolas Sarwark. I don't know anything about the Vohl guy you mention. There has to be tolerance for communists and democrats in a Libertarian social order, otherwise it's not Libertarian. You don't have to listen to them or like them. I sure as hell don't. Fuck them to be perfectly clear. I don't need to silence them though simply because I believe they are wrong. View Quote The reasoning is simple. We can't have a libertarian social order if the communists run around doing gay communist shenanigans. Democrats are communists lite. They won't kill you, but they'll sure as hell vote for people who will. |
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Arvin Vohl. He's a douche and running for the national seat. His claim to fame was abandoning veterans as instruments of the state despite the fact that a large majority of active and prior service vote libertarian. The reasoning is simple. We can't have a libertarian social order if the communists run around doing gay communist shenanigans. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm really not a fan of Nicolas Sarwark. I don't know anything about the Vohl guy you mention. There has to be tolerance for communists and democrats in a Libertarian social order, otherwise it's not Libertarian. You don't have to listen to them or like them. I sure as hell don't. Fuck them to be perfectly clear. I don't need to silence them though simply because I believe they are wrong. The reasoning is simple. We can't have a libertarian social order if the communists run around doing gay communist shenanigans. |
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We can't have a libertarian social order because not enough people understand the actual implications of true freedom. It's scary and most people will actively fight against it because they've come to accept government in so many aspects of their lives. It has little to do with communists, the left, or the right. Those things exist because true freedom is scary and none of the three actually want it. View Quote |
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And that is where #Removal by force comes in. Essentially, adopt the NAP or GTFO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We can't have a libertarian social order because not enough people understand the actual implications of true freedom. It's scary and most people will actively fight against it because they've come to accept government in so many aspects of their lives. It has little to do with communists, the left, or the right. Those things exist because true freedom is scary and none of the three actually want it. Edit: goddamn e key is screwing with me. |
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Which would make us no better than any of the three mentioned ideologies. Removal by force cannot be done without violating the NAP. You can really only smile and nod at them and know they are wrong. People will always choose sides. You will never have control over that. You can't stop them from calling themselves something that they are not. Thy can call themselves Libertarians all thy want. It doesn't make it so. View Quote In other words. Voting for someone to steal from me is the same thing as stealing from me yourself. Both are aggressive in nature. |
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