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Posted: 7/18/2004 5:55:23 PM EDT
Well, it's about freaking TIME!
Yesterday (Saturday) I was scheduled for my first ever official flight lesson. Due to gusty wind conditions (which as it turned out, degenerated into a thunderstorm), I elected not to fly yesterday at the scheduled time but instead used it for ground schooling. I'm rescheduled for 9 AM next Saturday morning. I can probably manage two lessons a week once I get started. One a week is marginal and I know that. Two or more would be better. My relevant background: I'm a pretty serious flight simulation junkie. I estimate I have two thousand hours flying Falcon 4.0 (F16 focused) and most of that at its maximum realism settings, which are reportedly very realistic. I've "flown" one of Lockheed-Martin's F16 Mission Training Simulators, on two occasions at a trade show. The chief pilot in charge of the system said that I flew it pretty well (The landing was SWEET!) and could probably manage to fly the real F16 if I wasn't overwhelmed by the physical sensations involved in a fighter that can pull so many Gs. The simulation system I got to fly: www.metavr.com/ngaus03.html That's the most experience I have related to flight training. For me it will be of critical importance for me to NOT attempt to do in a Cessna or Piper what I can do in an F16 simulator!!! Dangit....and I've really gotten used to transitioning from a left base leg to a short final by rolling 135 degrees left and pulling the nose through while dropping the speed brakes and gear simultaneously! Gotta remember not to do that in the trainer! CJ |
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That simulator looks like it would look REAL good in my basement rec room!
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Congrats! You are realizing one of my dreams.
Have fun and be careful! |
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Somehow I doubt that you'll have much trouble with the retractable gear and speed brakes. Mostly 'cause most training planes don't have them LOL!
I hope you stick with it, I got priced out of flying after I got my license 'bout 10 years back. Maybe some day I can get back into it. Good Luck Don in Ohio |
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I've been wanting to do that for a couple years but my wife has a fit (safety) every time I bring it up...still working on her...
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Forget everything (you think) you learned about flying from simulators. When you start next week, go in with a clear head and no pre conceived ideas. If the instructor you picked is worth a hoot, he will force you to look outside the airplane and navigate by reference to landmarks on the ground.
[stick and rudder pilot mode] You don't need all that junk on the panel when you start learnin' to fly[/stick and rudder pilot mode] , and especially not a compass for the first couple of hours. I say this because sim pilots fixate on the compass for turns to a heading and none of them have learned to use a magnetic compass. What should happen is that you will learn and master small tasks, one at a time, each task building on those that came before. You are also going to find out that the tactile sense in an airplane is new, and nothing in a simple sim is going to come close. If you aren't satisfied with a flight instructor, don't hesitate to dump him, same goes for the flight school. My advice is to find an instructor that is not building time while waiting for a job at the majors, a commuter, or a corporate job, find someone that has been instructing for a good long while and is going to be around to take you to your Private check ride. There are lives and a lot of money at stake and you will be well served by going with the best primary flight instructor you can find. If you are learning to fly because your soul demands it, welcome to the club. |
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Yes, I am definitely learning to fly because my soul demands it. It's always been my unrealized dream.
I know that my sim experience is relevant only in the respect that it has familiarized me with the fundamental concepts of flight. Not the actual feel of it, and the practices related to an F16 don't really apply to a real trainer. Maybe to a real F16, but I think that I'll have quite a task cut out for me to get into one of those! (Not an impossible dream, but winning the World Series of Poker is a more realistic goal.) Still, my method of flying sims may be somewhat helpful because I prefer to maximize my 'out the window' view (I really prefer to hook the PC up to my video projector and fly on a 120 inch diagonal screen...you really feel it in the pit of your stomach!) and rely on visual cues rather than instruments, at least in clear weather daylight conditions. If the weather sucks, I check instruments all the time. And I've done a fair number of missions almost entirely on instruments. I'm familiar with the concept of an IFR approach but I haven't practiced it much. (Oddly enough, your typical F16, if it were civilian registered by the FAA, would require a waiver for IFR operations as its instruments aren't in compliance with IFR regs!) I must admit, though...I've become quite fond of the HUD and of the HOTAS controller setup. (Left hand throttle, right hand stick, all commonly used controls are on the throttle and stick, so you almost never have to take your hands off the throttle or stick.) I blew 300 bucks on the best HOTAS controls on the market (Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS) and it's just great flying hardware, period. And very exactly modelled after the F16 throttle and stick, too! I expect to take lessons with several instructors and stick with the one that works best for me. As for cost....if you can budget 90 bucks a week for entertainment, you can learn to fly. That's what it's going to cost me, plus another 200 for all the books and supplies I'm going to need. If it bothers the wife...does she really have to know? CJ |
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Getting my PPL was a very rewarding experience. The one thing that REALLY freaked me out (at first) was the steering with the rudder pedals thing while taxiing. Crosswind landings were a quite tricky too. Turning the yoke to the right while stomping on the left rudder pedal just felt plain unnatural!
My first solo was, of course, unforgettable... I remember glancing over at the empty seat next to me, and smiling. I did it for reasons similar to what you describe. I had no intentions of a career as a pilot, and was (am) not wealthy enough to own a plane... but it's just something I knew I needed to do. --Mike |
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One quick funny story. I showed up at the field one day (post-solo) to go up for a while and do some touch-and-goes. My instructor was inside. I took my time pre-flighting the little Cessna 152, and then proceeded to taxi out to the runway. The tower cleared me for takeoff, but a real nasty looking storm off to the west appeared to be heading in our direction (and the controller confirmed this), so I taxied back to the ramp. Just as I was tying the plane down, the sky opened up. It was one of those torrential downpours where the rain comes down in sheets, ripping back in forth in the gusts. Rather than run for it, I scrambled back into the plane to wait it out. After several minutes, I decided to call my instructor with my cell phone, as it occurred to me that, as far as he knew, I had taken off a little while ago and was flying in this crap.
When he came to the phone and exclaimed "Mike, where are you?!?!?", the tone of voice said it all... it was a mix of "oh no, one of my students just crash-landed because I let him go up in bad weather... my career is over" and "thank God he's still alive." Actually, the relief in his voice was more prominent then the panic... after all, if I was still alive and well enough to call him on the phone, it couldn't be that bad. He breathed a huge sigh of relief when I told him I was sitting in the tied-up plane out front. --Mike |
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Before I had my first solo, I ached when I saw other people flying, that's how bad I wanted it.
Here's a pretty good taxi story - when I started working toward an Instrument rating, the first time I taxied for takeoff in a Warrior I had to practice taxiing for a little bit! It had been so long since I had flown a nose dragger (several hundred hours), steering felt very strange and even more so in a Piper with direct linkage (unlike a Cessna or a tailwheel airplane with springs or bungees in the circuit). I wish I could give you an introduction to aerobatics - as soon as you get the Private ticket, go spend the money for 10 hours of basic acro training. Then you will always have a mission for each flight and won't get bored from boring holes in the sky. |
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Nice sim setup, when I win the Lottery I'll have to get something like it.
I was lucky and got my Private in Hawaii. Great place to learn to fly, just not that many places to go. There were only 4 times I almost died. First was a left turn, lift the wing and looking at a SH-2 Seasprite coming straight at us. Second was turning left again, in the same spot and looking at 4 Hueys coming straight at us. Third time was landing at Maui on the left runway after a DC-10 took off on the right. Wake turbulence is a bitch. First time I saw my Samoan flight instructor white as a sheet. Forth time was again in Maui, controller pulled a twin commuter in front of me and told it to hold takeoff while I was on short final. Hawaii was great. Best flight was when I reenlisted in a Cessna over the Arizona memorial. Flying is fun, it's all the regulations that made it a PITA for me. I'm into RC airplanes now. Fritz |
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I've now had three lessons. I skipped the last two Saturdays for reasons relating to business commitments on one weekend, and a hurricane last weekend.
I made my first unassisted landing on my second lesson, and we worked on slow flight. Today, the lesson was power off stalls (fun but scary!) , turns around a point, and more T&Gs. I made a couple of T&Gs that were, to my mind, a bit rough! But my instructor said that I did fine even on the worst one, compared to what some students manage to do and still not break anything. I guess that sometimes, someone really hammers one in there! It was a good experience. I sure know how NOT to do that sort of landing, now! 3.2 hours in the logbook. 3.2 hours of the best times I've ever had. CJ |
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... Man, your pocketbook is gonna be a thinning with both hobbies now
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I'll be taking lessons only as the budget allows. Just by cutting out lunches at restaurants five days a week, I'm saving 40 bucks a week at least and also dropping a few pounds at the same time.
Business seems to be picking up for me as well. I'm building four custom ordered instruments at once right now. It really helps! CJ |
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My dad has his pilots license and got pulled over and the trooper with his mountme hant tipped down and his gold rimmed tinted flight glasses on asked him for his license to fly. so he showed him. he got a ticket out of that one
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Here's a bit of a shocker:
After completing my lesson on Saturday, I watched this plane make several takeoffs and landings. It's pretty high performance, I'd say, and looked like a lot of fun. The pilot slid it off the end of the runway the very next day. That would be Sunday. Link to the article: www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN0823PLANECRASH.htm It was a new plane. It still is, but it's now a scratch and dent special. No life threatening injuries sustained, fortunately...but man, that SUCKS! This plane is a Comp Air 7. Comp Air is based at the airport where this happened. CJ |
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Yep I guessed a comp air before I read the rest of your post. You do need to be careful about the sim training though. The physiological effects are not going to traslate and WILL get you killed. While realistic visually, no one relys 100% on sim training. BTW a 90 degree bank to final is not bad, just a higher skill level! We do get a number of military pilots dead each year as a result of lack of currency with low performance aircraft. Thrust is not always a trump card when circumstances are going against you. Airmanship is necessary for single engine land survival. Just watching out for you. Planerench out. PS had a head to head landing with a buddy of mine this morning. Seems he had an main buss failure and didn't hear my radio traffic. NBD.
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I don't apply what I do in the sim training to real life, at least, not in a mechanical way. It's been useful to acquaint me with the principles of flight, turns, banking, rudders, ailerons, stalls, slow flight concepts, landing configuration concepts, and so forth, but there's just no way that I think I know how to fly as a result of my sim experiences.
Real life does NOT have a reset button. You're careful and thoughtful or you're in the wrong place. CJ |
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Sims are good for cockpit orientation and proceedure. You are going to do fine. Welcome to the real expensive hobby! Planerench |
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Getting the pilot's license has been an unfulfilled dream of mine as well. I have .6 hours of flight time from back in '88!! Once I was driving around some dirt roads around my hometown and saw a small aerobatic plane doing rolls, loops, stalls, etc.... He seemed to be practicing over one particular field and I stopped to watch him for awhile. About a month later I saw what was left of his plane on the front page of the newspaper. He was performing at an airshow and didn't pull out of a dive soon enough. |
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Good Job at the taking the leap. You will not regret it. I remember my first solo flight like it was yesterday (been almost 10 years). The only draw back is that it is expensive. I have not flown in almost 4 years due to career, getting married, mortgage and children. One day I will get back into it.
Scariest moment I had was with my instructor about 1/3 the way through my Instument rating. I had just called "Left Base" for the runway and not 4 seconds later I hear a another plane call "Left Base" for the same runway. He was flying a little high performance number (we saw him taxiing earlier). I looked over at my instructor to make sure he had heard what I just heard. We decided to keep heading straight instead of making the turn. Never saw the bastard till we got on the ground, at which time we both gave him a talking to. Good Luck |
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Hi all,
I have my PPL and have been flying for 15 years or so. Only small planes like Cessna 150/152/172/177 and the Piper Archer/Warrior/Arrow series. It is great, I love it. Some of my most memorable flights: A beautiful october day out of Boulder City Nevada out over Grand Canyon and back in a new Cessna 172, just amaxing, 75 miles + visability. A (real) cross country flight from Edmonton Alberta to Toronto Ontario, 17 hours over three days, but a great flight. Lots of stuff to see flying most of the way accross the continent! Scary moments: Doing VFR on top on a cross country and then decending through a hole in the clouds, I could actually see ice forming on the struts! Luckily it did not last long and when I got down through the hold it was no longer icing conditions. During PPL training with inscructor practicing forced approaches on a field, we came down under 500' before he had me put the power on and a flock of birds took off in front of us, I swear one went close enough to pass between the door and the strut of a 172. With about 15 hours total flight time the instructor had me stay 500' above circuit altitude as we got near the airport. Right above the runway before turning down wind, he TURNED OFF the engine. It was pretty wild to not see the prop spinning as I few in "quiet:" mode for the first time. He shut down the engine and said "execute a force approach on runway 11". I did and it was ok, but the runway was 10000 feet long and 200 wide, I could almost have landed widthwise! Always fly safe, follow and practice procedures even after you get your PPL. Its amazing how many pilots I take flying who say "gee, I have not spun a plane in 10 years!". Dez |
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Yes, you bring up a great point: PRACTICE every thing you're taught! INCLUDING stalls and spins!
It's those maneuvers that take the plane beyond the envelope that it FLIES in and into the NO LONGER FLYING world that are the most important ones. You HAVE to know how to recover from a stall or spin, EVERY TIME, CORRECTLY, AND QUICKLY. It should be automatic procedure drilled into your brain so far it becomes an instinctive reaction. Just the past few weeks and three lessons have given me this new attitude. ANYBODY can fly a plane straight and level at cruising altitude and cruising speed. What's scary are those pilots who lose competence when you get toward the edges of the flight envelope. I resolve not to be one of those pilots. Stall and spin recovery, among other abnormal and emergency procedures, will be items that I will focus intensely on. Since I plan to go on to aerobatics, I'd better, anyway! I am pleased to discover that apparently, I'm not susceptible to airsickness anymore, either. I've yanked on the yoke, pulling positive AND negative Gs deliberately, and so far my stomach hasn't cared at all but I really enjoyed it instead. Especially the negative Gs! That's fun stuff! CJ |
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We used to practice over Malibu, right where those two planes mid-aired and hit on the beach.
The only thing I had fail on on my first short solo cross country was the radio. Flying over Sepulveda Pass north of LAX. As shittt. |
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