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Posted: 12/27/2001 9:16:07 PM EDT
City Had Been Warned of Fuel Tank at 7 World Trade Center By James Glanz and Eric Lipton NYTimes.com 12-22-1 Fire Department officials warned the city and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in 1998 and 1999 that a giant diesel fuel tank for the mayor's $13 million command bunker in 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story high-rise that burned and collapsed on Sept. 11, posed a hazard and was not consistent with city fire codes. The 6,000-gallon tank was positioned about 15 feet above the ground floor and near several lobby elevators and was meant to fuel generators that would supply electricity to the 23rd-floor bunker in the event of a power failure. Although the city made some design changes to address the concerns - moving a fuel pipe that would have run from the tank up an elevator shaft, for example - it left the tank in place. But the Fire Department repeatedly warned that a tank in that position could spread fumes throughout the building if it leaked, or, if it caught fire, could produce what one Fire Department memorandum called "disaster." Putting a tank underground typically protects it from falling debris, and impedes leaks or tank fires from spreading throughout the building. Engineering experts have spent three months trying to determine why 7 World Trade Center, part of the downtown complex that included the 110-story towers, collapsed about seven hours after being damaged and set on fire by debris from the damaged landmark buildings. Some of the experts, who said that no major skyscraper had ever collapsed simply because of fire damage, have recently been examining whether the diesel tanks - there were others beneath ground level - played an important role in the building's stunning demise. The Port Authority, which owns the land on which the building stood and issued the building permit for the tank and its fireproof enclosure, said yesterday that it believed the structure had in fact met the terms of the city's fire code. Though the tank was on a tall fireproof pedestal, it was still effectively on the lowest floor of the building, as the code requires, said Frank Lombardi, the Port Authority's chief engineer. The authority also worked with Fire Department officials to eliminate the department's original objections, Mr. Lombardi said. "We made sure that it was in agreement with the code," Mr. Lombardi said, adding that the tank was placed in an eight-inch- thick masonry enclosure.
Link Posted: 12/27/2001 9:17:32 PM EDT
(continued) A spokesman for the Fire Department said yesterday that he could not authoritatively say whether all the concerns of its officials had been addressed by the Port Authority. But when reached yesterday, the department official who wrote several of the warning memorandums said he regarded the Port Authority's interpretation of the code to be "a stretch." The official, Battalion Chief William P. Blaich, said he still considered the tank's placement to have been unsafe. The Port Authority has long held that, as a matter of law, it does not have to abide by city fire codes. But after the1993 bombing of the towers, the Port Authority signed a memorandum of understanding with the city pledging to not only meet the city's fire codes, but also to often take additional precautions. A spokesman for the city's office of emergency management, Francis E. McCarton, said the city accepted the Port Authority's determination that the tank and its placement were properly safe. He said it was essential that the mayor's command center have a backup energy source and placing it on ground floor was unacceptable because the area was deemed to be susceptible to floods. "We put it in the area where we needed to put it," Mr. McCarton said. Any suggestion that the tank's position was a factor in the collapse of the building was "pure speculation," he said. He added that the tank had fire extinguishers and was surrounded by the thick, fire-resistant containment system, and that the fiery collapse of the towers could never have been anticipated in the city's planning. No one is believed to have died in the collapse of 7 World Trade Center. But its collapse did further complicate the rescue and recovery efforts under way at the scene. [b]The engineering and fire experts who have been examining the collapse of 7 World Trade Center have not settled on the final cause of the disaster. But they have seen evidence of very high temperatures typical of fuel fires in the debris from the building and have raised questions about whether the diesel accounted for those conditions.[/b] At least two firefighters who were at the scene, Deputy Chief James Jackson and Battalion Chief Blaich, said that the southwest corner of the building near the fuel tank was severely damaged, possibly by falling debris, and that the tank might have been breached. Mr. Jackson said that about an hour before the building's collapse, heavy black smoke, consistent with a fuel fire of some sort, was coming from that part of the building. The Port Authority said it was unlikely the heavy masonry surrounding the tank could have been breached, and its officials have raised the possibility that the two diesel tanks buried just below the ground floor of the building might have contributed to the fire. They have also asserted that structural damage from falling debris is a more likely culprit in the collapse. Several fire experts said that, whatever the questions surrounding the city's code, installing giant fuel tanks above the occupied spaces of a building posed serious risks.
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 5:08:07 AM EDT
We'll have to remember this next time we design a building to withstand being run into by an errant 767.
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 6:01:31 AM EDT
Imbroglio, giddy because he found an article in the NY Times that criticizes Giuliani. Good for you Imbroglio. Quite an accomlishment.
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 6:37:12 AM EDT
How is it [b]possible[/b] to have a 23rd-floor bunker?
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 6:44:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rkbar15: How is it [b]possible[/b] to have a 23rd-floor bunker?
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I spent some time last winter in that bunker for a detail...that place was freakin cool. There were camera's for just about every major intersection in NYC monitoring everything. Big Bro was watching folks!
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 6:49:45 AM EDT
WR: Did that include cameras in the ladies room?[:D]
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 7:12:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 7:27:19 AM EDT
I'd like to see what 6,000 gallons of burning fuel will do to Bin Laden's corpse.
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 8:36:37 AM EDT
I wouldnt waste six ounces of fuel on that piece o crap. I'd feed him to the hogs.
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 8:44:04 AM EDT
MAN! this is big! I bet Giuliani can't withstand a blow likethis to his rep. Mark my words,he can't last another year in office after this one.
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 12:53:39 PM EDT
You are blowing this up. Go back to your usual wry sense of understating things.
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 2:04:31 PM EDT
7 World Trade Center was doomed anyway. They would have imploded it if it hadn't have fallen by itself.
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 3:04:59 PM EDT
Where's the Giulliani connection? His job is mayor, not city engineer.
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 10:02:34 PM EDT
The WTC archives are also lost.
Link Posted: 12/28/2001 10:46:57 PM EDT
I want him to be governor. Why do you people hate him so much? He is a hero. "Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it." --- NY MAYOR RUDY GUILIANI, 3/17/1994
Link Posted: 12/29/2001 12:16:30 PM EDT
Really dont see why you would want him for govener.He is as antigun as Sara Brady.Also a few years ago when his police were on a tear rapping people with toilet plungers and shooting unarmed men 40 times he came off pretty goddamn heartless to me.
Link Posted: 12/29/2001 12:19:58 PM EDT
Dude sorry bout that.Didnt read all the post.Saw the first line and had to respond.Color me a dumbass.
Link Posted: 12/29/2001 12:53:29 PM EDT
OK, Wavrunner, spill it. Was it a *real* bunker? I think a proper bunker would be armored; think Japanese pill-box. -------- It is interesting to note that long after some temporary scare is over, the mechanisms of control Remain.
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