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Posted: 12/10/2016 12:15:47 PM EST
I love him even moar.


“Can you believe that? You get laid off and then they won’t give you your severance pay unless you train the people that are replacing you. I mean, that’s actually demeaning maybe more than anything else,” he said.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 12:30:50 PM EST
I'm okay with that.

I generally find the intent behind the H1B program sound. There are some very talented engineers I've worked with that were H1Bs... but the reality, at least in my experience, is that for every organization blessed to have a solid H1B intellectual rock star, you have a few dozen other organizations flooded with very ineffective technical staff who graduated from "get your _____ cert in 2 days" boot camps in Bangalore (yes, they are a thing), and who can rarely think themselves out of a paper bag.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 12:32:53 PM EST
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Are the children of H1B workers considered US citizens? Just about every Indian family I see at costco has multiple kids who are generally the most ill behaved people in existence because their parents generally don't know how to parent worth a shit. That's not true for all Indians, of course, but it seems to be true for the ones who frequent Costco 
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 12:34:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ContrarianIndicator:
Are the children off H1B workers considered US citizens? Just about every Indian family I see at costco has multiple toddlers. 
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Yes, if they are born here. 
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 12:34:41 PM EST
H1B should stipulate a min salary of 100k. If these people are truly talented, that would be peanuts.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 12:40:28 PM EST
Not tired of winning yet. 
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 12:58:15 PM EST
In practice, the large companies use it to hold down salaries for technical professionals.

Allow those salaries to rise and you will have more students majoring in the tech fields. As it stands, students figure they can drink beer all through college then make more money in management.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 1:07:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
I love him even moar.

“Can you believe that? You get laid off and then they won’t give you your severance pay unless you train the people that are replacing you. I mean, that’s actually demeaning maybe more than anything else,” he said.
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Interesting that US immigration lawyers have advertisements on that Indian website. 
H-1B Fast Processing - 1000s of visas approved: Trust our Experienced lawyers, rest assured. www.lawimm.com
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 1:12:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lost-Drive-In:
In practice, the large companies use it to hold down salaries for technical professionals.

Allow those salaries to rise and you will have more students majoring in the tech fields. As it stands, students figure they can drink beer all through college then make more money in management.
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This ^^^^^
Supply and demand works.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 2:01:13 PM EST
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I was waiting for this particular topic to be addressed.  Complete horseshit that companies have been allowed to do this.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 2:03:13 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 2:05:07 PM EST
good, let the great curry purge begin
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 2:08:12 PM EST
Trump should start with all the H1B workers from India that are at the Chrysler Tech Center in Auburn Hills. There are so many of them that when you walk through the building you'd swear you're in Calcutta.
Link Posted: 12/10/2016 2:08:13 PM EST
Donald J Trump, aka Mr gettin' shit done.

Don't know if I can take all this winning.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 12:17:24 PM EST
http://fortune.com/2016/12/15/donald-trump-tech-meeting-relationship/


Trump vs. Tech: It’s Going to Get Rockier
But despite the rhetoric, Silicon Valley will get the immigration reform it wants.
President-elect Donald Trump met with selected tech leaders on Wednesday. Warm words were said, smiles were exchanged, and hatchets were—perhaps—buried. But will Wednesday’s thaw in the Trump-tech tiff be lasting—or merely a pleasant photo op? It’s hard to know for sure, but there are three surprises to expect in the Trump-tech relationship going forward.

First, the Trump-tech relationship will probably get rockier. The president-elect has already tossed aside his populist campaign rhetoric and made up with large swaths of the business community: Big industrial CEOs, Wall Street titans, and trade association powers all have been included in the nascent Trump administration and transition. Many in tech think that Wednesday’s meeting was the start of a new relationship with Team Trump. But while reports say that the meeting was pleasant enough, tech industry hopes for a repeat of the kind of close relationship it had with the Obama administration are likely not to be realized, and not just because tech leaders (with very few exceptions) were so strongly on Team Hillary Clinton. The likely tech-Trump riff has more substantive roots.

Tech is heavily concentrated in a few places—California, New York, and Massachusetts—that went overwhelmingly for Clinton, and are outside of the president-elect’s central geographic focus. Silicon Valley’s failure to make huge investments in—or focus job creation efforts on—our heartland means that tech’s interests are outside of President-elect Trump’s core economic agenda: job creation in the lagging middle America states. If you are a business leader who can find a way to add 1,000 industrial jobs in Ohio, you are going to get a meeting in Donald Trump’s Oval Office. But if you have the next great app that will create 1,000 engineering and design jobs in San Francisco—not so much.

Moreover, while the president-elect is already engaging industrial companies on the difficult issues of outsourcing, job loss, and trade policy, the big job killer in the next few years (particularly in states, like Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania) may be technology—not trade. Automation could knock out service jobs in the next few years as dramatically as trade knocked out manufacturing jobs decades ago. Autonomous trucks delivering goods to market (as Uber recently demonstrated); automated grocery stores and checkout-free retailing (like the new Amazon AMZN -0.46% Go); and robots in fast-food restaurants could be highly visible job destroyers among constituencies and in regions of the country of special interest to the president. That is bound to create friction between tech leaders and the president.

When you add to the mix a greater emphasis on security in a Trump administration as the “security vs. privacy” debate rages—a debate that even created tension between tech and the very tech-friendly Obama administration—you have a formula for the relationship with tech potentially getting worse, not better, as the Trump years unfold.

Second, nonetheless, tech is likely to get the immigration changes it wants. Put this is the category of profoundly ironic: Of all the things on the tech industry wish list, immigration relief may be the one it is most likely to get under President Trump. The irony is obvious: If one thing seems clear from the 2016 election, it’s that the bipartisan Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill that has been working its way through Congress for the past decade is dead. Indeed, at first blush, the idea that any liberalization of immigration rules could pass the incoming Congress and be signed by the incoming president seems far-fetched. But that superficial analysis may be wrong.

Donald Trump’s signature promise in the 2016 campaign was to build a wall on the southern border. How high the wall will be, whether it is a wall (or a fence), how extensive it will be: President-elect Trump has left all of that open for negotiation. But in the end, he must build something—and that means he will need Congress to pass some sort of immigration bill to authorize and pay for it. (No, Mexico is not going to foot the bill.) You can also count on the fact that not a single House Democrat will vote for the Trump immigration plan, which means he will need virtually every single House Republican (and a few Senate Democrats) to lend their support.

Tech will use the slim margins that such a necessity creates to have its most devoted allies on the Hill insist on “high-skilled immigration reform”—some increase in H1B visas, some greater ability for foreign STEM students to remain in the U.S. after graduation, some visas for entrepreneurs to come here—as the cost of passing this must-have bill for the new president. While tech’s willingness to cut its preferred immigration changes loose from Comprehensive Immigration Reform will anger its former allies, it seems likely that tech will bail on its coalition partners to get this deal with the Trump administration.

Third, that big tech deal may finally happen. No, I’m not talking about AT&T T 0.27% -Time Warner TWC 0.00% . It’s hard to know if the president will stand by his campaign trail denouncement of the deal, or let regulators do their work on it. The tech deal I’m talking about here is the one killed by the Obama administration before it could even be made: the Sprint-T-Mobile TMUS -0.42% merger. Back in 2014, the Obama-appointed FCC chair and Obama antitrust officials sent strong signals to potential merger partners Sprint S -2.49% and T-Mobile: Don’t even think about it. Team Obama was dead set against collapsing America’s four wireless carriers down to three.

But government-relations-savvy Masayoshi Son (the principal owner of Sprint, and the driving force behind the potential merger) was at Trump’s side a few days ago to boast that his SoftBank investment arm would be investing $50 billion in the U.S. to create tens of thousands of jobs. (Okay, it was actually an announcement he made in October, merely repeated, but still, it was a good moment for Trump.) It seems likely that Son had one thing in mind as he stood with Trump: getting that Sprint-T-Mobile merger back on track. And it just may be.

Once the smiles and handshakes of the Trump Tower meeting on Wednesday are long forgotten, the real challenge for tech in Washington will unfold. Unlike the largely stable, mutual-admiration relationship that tech enjoyed with the Obama White House, the years ahead will be filled with surprises and unexpected twists, as the full impact of the changes in power, politics, and regional influence under President Trump are fully felt.
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Originally Posted By Lost-Drive-In:
In practice, the large companies use it to hold down salaries for technical professionals.

Allow those salaries to rise and you will have more students majoring in the tech fields. As it stands, students figure they can drink beer all through college then make more money in management.
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Agreed. I went from a student visa to an H1B visa for internship/residency. A lot of foreign medical graduates come here on J visas to work in residencies and then work in an under-served area X 3 years to get a waiver (otherwise they would have to go home X 2 years before they could re-apply to come back) and get their Green Card. Some are good but most suck ass. The U.S. needs to increase the number of medical schools (MD and DO) to address the shortage of American graduates needed for residency positions. The U.S. had essentially not opened any new medical school positions for 30 years and fucked itself. Draining the Third World of their doctors probably isn't a good thing either.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 12:48:20 PM EST
It is a lie that there is a shortage of skilled American tech workers.

There is only a shortage of skilled American tech workers at the price the companies want to pay.

They're too lazy and risk-adverse to actually spend capital on improving productivity and efficiency, so they're trying to boost their stock price by shafting Americans.

H1B doesn't need reform. It needs to end.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 12:53:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lost-Drive-In:
In practice, the large companies use it to hold down salaries for technical professionals.

Allow those salaries to rise and you will have more students majoring in the tech fields. As it stands, students figure they can drink beer all through college then make more money in management.
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Originally Posted By Lost-Drive-In:
In practice, the large companies use it to hold down salaries for technical professionals.

Allow those salaries to rise and you will have more students majoring in the tech fields. As it stands, students figure they can drink beer all through college then make more money in management.


I agree with you, but inb4 the usual suspects who think that no systematic abuse of the h1b system occurs because they don't do it.

Originally Posted By C-4:


Agreed. I went from a student visa to an H1B visa for internship/residency. A lot of foreign medical graduates come here on J visas to work in residencies and then work in an under-served area X 3 years to get a waiver (otherwise they would have to go home X 2 years before they could re-apply to come back) and get their Green Card. Some are good but most suck ass. The U.S. needs to increase the number of medical schools (MD and DO) to address the shortage of American graduates needed for residency positions. The U.S. had essentially not opened any new medical school positions for 30 years and fucked itself. Draining the Third World of their doctors probably isn't a good thing either.


Yeah, it is strange that 212(e) or whatever section it is isn't actually longer than 2 years for FMGs w J visas. Doesn't really seem like cultural exchange to me, but what the hell do I know <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif border=0 align=middle>. They can do a lot of good in their home countries.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 12:56:02 PM EST
one of the rules of H1B is that visa holders are supposed to be paid the same prevailing wage as US employees.  Obviously companies are ignoring that or they wouldn't have the incentive to bring in cheaper workers
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 12:56:18 PM EST
Who was the moron that even said this was OK in the first place? And why isnt that moron Obama getting slammed for a practice that also is a leading reason for tech theft out of the US?

So not only do our citizens lose their jobs but they also have to train the very same foreigners who will be stealing the tech from the very same companys hiring them.

America has become an insane asylum under these Democrats. AND some of these so called "Republicans" as well.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:00:30 PM EST
H1B should not only continue, but should be the ONLY way to immigrate to the US. Bring skills or bring money.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:02:46 PM EST
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H1B should not only continue, but should be the ONLY way to immigrate to the US. Bring skills or bring money.
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It should be ended entirely. 
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:05:29 PM EST
Bitches (companies) are going to boo-hoo about this after they've spent decades blatantly abusing H1B rules.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:11:45 PM EST
Silicon Valley must be freaking out.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:43:36 PM EST
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Agreed. I went from a student visa to an H1B visa for internship/residency. A lot of foreign medical graduates come here on J visas to work in residencies and then work in an under-served area X 3 years to get a waiver (otherwise they would have to go home X 2 years before they could re-apply to come back) and get their Green Card. Some are good but most suck ass. The U.S. needs to increase the number of medical schools (MD and DO) to address the shortage of American graduates needed for residency positions. The U.S. had essentially not opened any new medical school positions for 30 years and fucked itself. Draining the Third World of their doctors probably isn't a good thing either.
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It is even worse for graduate trained engineers. American students are either so riddled with debt or have lower grades due to working / going to school that they don't go to graduate school. Engineering and Science graduate programs are full of non US citizens. And the universities love the foreign students because they pay more to be there.

It's a wicked process and engineering societies are in the pockets of business and won't speak up about it. They love the H1B visas.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:52:32 PM EST
God's many blessings on Donald Trump and family.
May the God over us all keep him and watch over him.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 2:13:03 PM EST
I can't speak on behalf of h1 but the j1 program is out of control here
South Lake Tahoe has about 30k residents and if you include Meyers where I live about 34k
There are over 1k j1 positions in town, the casinos and resorts hire the shit out of them and it has pissed me off to no end because jobs are a struggle here for most people

Not to mention j1's are the most useless turds I have ever seen working and that says a lot compared to the turds that live in this town

I say end the programs
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 2:14:46 PM EST
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It should be ended entirely. 
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This and the current visa holders sent back .
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 3:30:10 PM EST
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It is even worse for graduate trained engineers. American students are either so riddled with debt or have lower grades due to working / going to school that they don't go to graduate school. Engineering and Science graduate programs are full of non US citizens. And the universities love the foreign students because they pay more to be there.

It's a wicked process and engineering societies are in the pockets of business and won't speak up about it. They love the H1B visas.
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F visa=straight cash. Very limited ability to work at all, can't be on any sort of public assistance, etc. You need to show you have the assets to complete your degree under those conditions.

Not many poor foreign students

Also, besides the cash it helps the university boost its diversity numbers. Win-Win for them.
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