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Posted: 4/29/2011 2:42:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2011 2:44:35 PM EDT by 1387Delta]
In this economy, she makes money..

Charlotte said her sales were nearly $100,000 last year. That’s more than 1,600 suicide kits. The business is legal because of a loophole in California law but many question the ethics behind it.

http://www.10news.com/news/27721552/detail.html

Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:45:41 PM EDT
Working in a rehab/nursing home, I have no problem with this. People should have the right to choose to live or not. I could probably get her half a dozen sales to people that wish their family would just let them die and stop prolonging their life.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:47:21 PM EDT
Voted no.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:50:15 PM EDT
What a great gift idea for your hated ones!

Wrap it up, put a bow on it, and put it under the tree.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:53:01 PM EDT
Not my business if someone decides they no longer want to continue living.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:54:52 PM EDT
No

The most selfish act ever
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:55:16 PM EDT
She's charging $62.50 for something that can be done with a trash bag, zip tie and people are buying it? Now that's captialism

Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:55:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixpack595:
Not my business if someone decides they no longer want to continue living.


Agree
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:56:17 PM EDT
The first comment hit the nail on the head.

....."This country HAS to wake up to the suffering the AMA, religous fanatics and conventional medicine has caused, and make it right. We treat our animals with far greater compassion than we treat our fellow humans. Something is so screwed up with that logic".
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:56:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dehammer:
What a great gift idea for your hated ones!

Wrap it up, put a bow on it, and put it under the tree.


you're my new favorite poster, I'm giggling over here thinking about it...
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:59:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2011 3:02:33 PM EDT by DragoMuseveni]

Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
No

The most selfish act ever

But it's ok to live a long unhappy and pointless life as a miserable fuck and make everyone around miserable?

Edit: Are you also saying that people who given up being productive members of society and contunite to live on someone else's dime are less selfish?
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 2:59:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonKey153:
Originally Posted By Dehammer:
What a great gift idea for your hated ones!

Wrap it up, put a bow on it, and put it under the tree.


you're my new favorite poster, I'm giggling over here thinking about it...




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Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:01:08 PM EDT
Whats the difference between this and what Dr. Kevorkian was doing?

Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:01:15 PM EDT
Hell, the local liquor store sells Everclear for $22 per liter. About half liter will kill you.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:03:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Hell, the local liquor store sells Everclear for $22 per liter. About half liter will kill you.


If you can keep it down.

Have people forgotten to idle their cars in the garage?
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:03:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jedberg:
Whats the difference between this and what Dr. Kevorkian was doing?



Wasn't Kevorkian "pulling the trigger"?
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:06:02 PM EDT
People should have the right to decide whether or not they want to live.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:12:05 PM EDT
$60.00 for a bag, elastic and a hose?

She's making a killing!
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:12:25 PM EDT
I know one thing for a fact. Anybody on here who says suicide or death panels are wrong, you've never worked in a hospital. Work in a hospital and get back to me. I fully, fully support assisted suicide and death panels. You could euthanize probably 25% of the patients in a typical hospital and that'd be the best thing that could ever happen to them.

If I did half the shit to a dog or a cat that happens to 100 year old full code patients in a hospital daily, I'd get arrested, and ARFCOM would fully dogpile me as being a horrible person who needs to die a slow death.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:12:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Hell, the local liquor store sells Everclear for $22 per liter. About half liter will kill you.


Unreliable. It will often cause people to vomit, aspirate and now they spend a week intubated in the ICU.

She's selling these kits indiscriminately including people who have treatable depression. If she really cared, she should volunteer at a suicide hotline . . .
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:14:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2011 3:15:49 PM EDT by Master_Blaster]
Originally Posted By Illysium:
People should have the right to decide whether or not they want to live.


The "recognize-my-right-to-die" argument is weak-fu. It's not like anyone who really wanted to off themselves couldn't do it. In fact, many have done it successfully. Truth is, some people don't really want to, but other busy-bodies seem to want to inject themselves in others' private lives & give them a "push". Physical incapacitation aside, if someone really wanted to kill themselves, then why would they need outside "help"? Also, what's with a 91 y.o persevorating about other people giving it up? She's 91!
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:16:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By Illysium:
People should have the right to decide whether or not they want to live.


The "recognize-my-right-to-die" argument is weak-fu. It's not like anyone who really wanted to off themselves couldn't do it. In fact, many have done it successfully. Truth is, some people don't really want to, but other busy-bodies seem to want to inject themselves in others' private lives & give them a "push". Physical incapacitation aside, if someone really wanted to kill themselves, then why would they need outside "help"? Also, what's with a 91 y.o persevorating about other people giving it up? She's 91!



Soup sammitch full retard plaid babnanas fucked up on a million levels.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:23:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
I know one thing for a fact. Anybody on here who says suicide or death panels are wrong, you've never worked in a hospital. Work in a hospital and get back to me. I fully, fully support assisted suicide and death panels. You could euthanize probably 25% of the patients in a typical hospital and that'd be the best thing that could ever happen to them.

If I did half the shit to a dog or a cat that happens to 100 year old full code patients in a hospital daily, I'd get arrested, and ARFCOM would fully dogpile me as being a horrible person who needs to die a slow death.

+1

I've been working with/around cancer patients for almost 20 years. It's pretty disgusting what we make some people endure in the name of medicine.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:23:45 PM EDT
their choice on whether to live or die


doesnt change that i think anyone that does is a fucking selfish coward that deserves no remorse
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:24:02 PM EDT
Basically if that fascist fundy passes a law banning those kits he'll pass a law that bans "thought crime". (won't be the first time)
If you take PERFECTLY LEGAL ITEMS and bundle them together like fish tank tubing and plastic bags and stopcocks, and then just put the words "SUICIDE KIT" how the fuck is that in any way illegal? Unless you just don't like the "context" of it saying "Suicide kit".

OMG! ban items purely on CONTEXT! do it for da chillens.


HEy this gives me an idear, get duct tape, rope and burlap bag and sell it as "kidnapper kit".
I'm sure every nanny stater will try to pass a law, "The selling of burlap bags and rope together is hereby prohibited. Only after a 24 hours period has passed can someone who has purchased one said item can then purchase the other........unless it's on Sunday at which point purchasee must wait 48 hours. Going to another store to purchase prohibited items within 24 hours is a class A felony."
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:24:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dehammer:
What a great gift idea for your hated ones!

Wrap it up, put a bow on it, and put it under the tree.


Win. I know a few people that I could give this to.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:26:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
No

The most selfish act ever


Or the most selfless. It is all relative.

Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:27:16 PM EDT
Private property rights.


You own your own body and can do whatever you want to with it. Including ending your life on your terms.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:28:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dehammer:
What a great gift idea for your hated ones!

Wrap it up, put a bow on it, and put it under the tree.


Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:33:10 PM EDT
I think we should deliver one free to the home of every Senator and Representative, with strongly worded encouragement on it's use.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:33:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By Sixpack595:
Not my business if someone decides they no longer want to continue living.


Agree


Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:33:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
Private property rights.


You own your own body and can do whatever you want to with it. Including ending your life on your terms.

And this is why.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:38:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
No

The most selfish act ever


Because making your family watch you slowly die is very honor able
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 3:52:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
The "recognize-my-right-to-die" argument is weak-fu. It's not like anyone who really wanted to off themselves couldn't do it.


The "if you want to, do it" argument is pretty weak, too. Not least because people who try are basically universally hospitalized, where they are closely monitored. Not to mention the fact that attempting suicide is basically considered prima facie evidence of being a nutcase, so if someone tries to put their affairs in order and then knock themselves off they've handed a golden ticket to anyone who wants to fuck with their will.

Furthermore, the ad-hoc, jury-rigged methods by which people generally choose to kill themselves tend to be messy or painful, while the pain free (indeed, even narcotic) methods are heavily controlled.

I think it's a question of being allowed to commit suicide with some kind of dignity and respect, rather than having to bullshit and ham-hand your way through it.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:20:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By Illysium:
People should have the right to decide whether or not they want to live.


The "recognize-my-right-to-die" argument is weak-fu. It's not like anyone who really wanted to off themselves couldn't do it. In fact, many have done it successfully. Truth is, some people don't really want to, but other busy-bodies seem to want to inject themselves in others' private lives & give them a "push". Physical incapacitation aside, if someone really wanted to kill themselves, then why would they need outside "help"? Also, what's with a 91 y.o persevorating about other people giving it up? She's 91!


Typical know it all arfcomer, with no real life experience.
You think you know what your talking about but you have no idea what really goes on surrounding death.

Spend one week on a cardio, renal or oncology floor and you will change your tune quickly.
When you see patients who can't even wipe their own ass or 45 year old former marathon runners begging their families to simply let them die, I'd luv to hear you say they need to keep living and suffering.

It is easy to force someone else to live with stage 4 lung cancer and mets to the brain.
When it is you laying in that bed, it becomes a different issue.

Some people need to be allowed to die or given the means to end their own suffering. I have given people enough morphine that would KILL the average person but they barely feel any pain relief. Live through that for two years and then tell someone their wanting to die argument is weak.....
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:23:28 PM EDT
I don't care if someone kills their self, but i will still consider them selfish/weak (unless they're living in pain with an illness or another reason like that)
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:25:22 PM EDT
if you cannot legally dispose of your life, then you do not own it.

the government does.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:27:28 PM EDT
in on 1
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:29:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fender57:
HEy this gives me an idear, get duct tape, rope and burlap bag and sell it as "kidnapper kit".

But, WAIT! There's MORE! Order in the next 30 minutes and we'll throw in a free bottle of chloroform!


Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:30:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2011 4:30:58 PM EDT by Tekka]
Suicide is a crime. It shouldn't be encouraged and no one should help someone do it.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:31:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Torqued:

Originally Posted By Fender57:
HEy this gives me an idear, get duct tape, rope and burlap bag and sell it as "kidnapper kit".

But, WAIT! There's MORE! Order in the next 30 minutes and we'll throw in a free bottle of chloroform!

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/billy_mays_dead.jpg


Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:35:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tekka:
Suicide is a crime. It shouldn't be encouraged and no one should help someone do it.


If your mother was suffering from terminal cancer, in constant terrible pain and nauseous all the time, immobile, mostly blind, but still very sane, you would tell her to pound sand if she asked you to bring her a plastic bag?
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:36:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
No

The most selfish act ever


But forcing someone to keep on living a life they would rather not isn't?

It can go either way. A father with a family that needs him for support that decides to end his life because he's out of work and down on his luck is selfish. An old man, alone, with family that never bothers to visit, living in pain every day wouldn't be selfish if he attempted to end his life.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:37:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By Illysium:
People should have the right to decide whether or not they want to live.


The "recognize-my-right-to-die" argument is weak-fu. It's not like anyone who really wanted to off themselves couldn't do it. In fact, many have done it successfully. Truth is, some people don't really want to, but other busy-bodies seem to want to inject themselves in others' private lives & give them a "push". Physical incapacitation aside, if someone really wanted to kill themselves, then why would they need outside "help"? Also, what's with a 91 y.o persevorating about other people giving it up? She's 91!


The fuck? Some people can barely raise an arm they are so old and frail, let alone get out of bed or attempt suicide.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:42:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tekka:
Suicide is a crime. It shouldn't be encouraged and no one should help someone do it.


When you have been lying in your own feces for the better part of the last 4 years, with stage IV pressure ulcers on your cocyx/heels/shoulder blades/elbows/back of your head (or all of the above), duo tube, 10+ comorbities and pain that LARGE OBSCENE amounts of narcotics cannot even begin to ease please say that......
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:44:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2011 4:50:09 PM EDT by odontia32m]
Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
I know one thing for a fact. Anybody on here who says suicide or death panels are wrong, you've never worked in a hospital. Work in a hospital and get back to me. I fully, fully support assisted suicide and death panels. You could euthanize probably 25% of the patients in a typical hospital and that'd be the best thing that could ever happen to them.

If I did half the shit to a dog or a cat that happens to 100 year old full code patients in a hospital daily, I'd get arrested, and ARFCOM would fully dogpile me as being a horrible person who needs to die a slow death.


Amen I have nightmares of the people the wife and I have kept alive Your post is spot on. We keep people alive to prevent law suits, make more money, train specialist and test procedures.

Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:47:12 PM EDT
I voted no, but the poll was shitty.

I personally hate the concept of suicide. But I believe it is every person's personal choice whether to live or not. If someone is not in their right mind and wants to commit suicide, then fine, have legal avenues to stop them.

But if someone lives in chronic pain every day, is too old to ever recover, and is in a hurry for his appointment with Saint Peter, that's really none of my business.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:47:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By larkinmusic:
$60.00 for a bag, elastic and a hose?

She's making a killing!


[golfclap]

I was just going to post that. Well played.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:51:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Originally Posted By Tekka:
Suicide is a crime. It shouldn't be encouraged and no one should help someone do it.


If your mother was suffering from terminal cancer, in constant terrible pain and nauseous all the time, immobile, mostly blind, but still very sane, you would tell her to pound sand if she asked you to bring her a plastic bag?



Of all the slopes, this is the most slippery. I completely understand your sentiment but where do you stop?

Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:53:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By odontia32m:
Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
I know one thing for a fact. Anybody on here who says suicide or death panels are wrong, you've never worked in a hospital. Work in a hospital and get back to me. I fully, fully support assisted suicide and death panels. You could euthanize probably 25% of the patients in a typical hospital and that'd be the best thing that could ever happen to them.

If I did half the shit to a dog or a cat that happens to 100 year old full code patients in a hospital daily, I'd get arrested, and ARFCOM would fully dogpile me as being a horrible person who needs to die a slow death.


Amen I have nightmares of the people the wife and I have kept alive Your post is spot on. We keep people alive to prevent law suits, make more money, train specialist and test procedures.



.....and because the family refuses to let go.

I think that people see this as hyperbole or something that only happens on occasion. Working in health care this is an EVERY DAY occurrence.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 4:55:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tekka:
Suicide is a crime. It shouldn't be encouraged and no one should help someone do it.


Not here.

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