With all the talk of the F22, what can the JSF do?

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Posted: 12/12/2005 1:20:33 PM EDT

Okay, we all hear how cool the F22 is and that it will likely even "out cool" the superbug

What cool stuff do we know about the JSF? Besides the obvious VTOL/VSTOL versions and such. Will it be ginsu cool? Can it cut an aluminum can in half and still slice tomatoes?

Posted: 12/12/2005 1:23:54 PM EDT

[#1]

It will do most of the stuff the F-22 can do for a fraction of the price....

ANdy

Posted: 12/12/2005 1:33:44 PM EDT

[#2]

can it supercruise? Is it stealthy? Is it intended as air superiority or multirole? We never really hear much about it. I guess it isnt as sexy.

Yes I could look up the information myself but the opinions and guesses are much more fun to read than specs.

Posted: 12/12/2005 1:36:03 PM EDT

[#3]

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can it supercruise? Don't think so. Is it stealthy? More so than a 747 (designed with stealth in mind, but didn't go out of its way for it) Is it intended as air superiority or multirole? Multirole. Think F-16 vs F-15. We never really hear much about it. I guess it isnt as sexy. The real work rarely is.

Posted: 12/12/2005 1:56:32 PM EDT

[#4]

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can it supercruise?

No

Is it stealthy?

Yes, though I am unsure as how steathly it is compared to the Raptor.

Is it intended as air superiority or multirole?

Multi-role - think F-16 replacement

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:08:38 PM EDT

[#5]

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can it supercruise?

No

Is it stealthy?

Yes, though I am unsure as how steathly it is compared to the Raptor.

"From the front, the F/A-22's signature is -40dBsm (the size of a marble) while the F-35's is -30 dBsm (the size of a golf ball). The F-35 is said to have a small area of vulnerability from the rear because engineers reduced cost by not designing a radar blocker for the engine exhaust."

Aviation Week & Space Technology; 11/14/2005, page 27

Is it intended as air superiority or multirole?

Multi-role - think F-16 replacement

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:11:11 PM EDT

[#6]

Will it get the gee whiz neato passive radar/supercomputer treatment too or is it more dependant on other assets like AEGIS/AWACS ?

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:12:33 PM EDT

[#7]

Prolly 'bout a match 4 bird, turn on a dime, superdupercrooze sipping 80 gph (Imperial), AI, all aspect IRST, tailhook at both ends providing built in holdbacks for high performance VTO's (kind of like standing on the brakes while you rev yer hotrod before peeling out), -40 dBsm on the beam (all frequencies from daylight to dark) [BTW, that's smaller than a gnat's nuts on the Animal RCS Scale], a place to stow a $800 (1984 dollars) hammer, boolit proof winders, a microwave oven up front, and GRMS radier fer talkin'.

Teh shiznit.

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:14:04 PM EDT

[#8]

Consider this thread tagged.

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:15:51 PM EDT

[#9]

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Prolly 'bout a match 4 bird, turn on a dime, superdupercrooze sipping 80 gph (Imperial), AI, all aspect IRST, tailhook at both ends providing built in holdbacks for high performance VTO's (kind of like standing on the brakes while you rev yer hotrod before peeling out), -40 dBsm on the beam (all frequencies from daylight to dark), a place to stow a $800 (1984 dollars) hammer, boolit proof winders, a microwave oven up front, and GRMS radier fer talkin'.

Teh shiznit.

Rendered obsolete before production by the X45 UCAV?

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:19:50 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
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Prolly 'bout a match 4 bird, turn on a dime, superdupercrooze sipping 80 gph (Imperial), AI, all aspect IRST, tailhook at both ends providing built in holdbacks for high performance VTO's (kind of like standing on the brakes while you rev yer hotrod before peeling out), -40 dBsm on the beam (all frequencies from daylight to dark), a place to stow a $800 (1984 dollars) hammer, boolit proof winders, a microwave oven up front, and GRMS radier fer talkin'.

Teh shiznit.

Rendered obsolete before production by the X45 UCAV?

+1

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:19:52 PM EDT

[#11]

F-35s been designed to fit the needs of each of our military branches...various configurations...lower cost....its not AS stealthy as the F-22, but its pretty damn good.....its a good machine...it beat out the X-32 aircraft for the contracts.

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:19:56 PM EDT

[#12]

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Prolly 'bout a match 4 bird, turn on a dime, superdupercrooze sipping 80 gph (Imperial), AI, all aspect IRST, tailhook at both ends providing built in holdbacks for high performance VTO's (kind of like standing on the brakes while you rev yer hotrod before peeling out), -40 dBsm on the beam (all frequencies from daylight to dark), a place to stow a $800 (1984 dollars) hammer, boolit proof winders, a microwave oven up front, and GRMS radier fer talkin'.

Teh shiznit.

Rendered obsolete before production by the X45 UCAV?

Not hardly; I think there are a bunch of loons from the government and the company working on that job. There are signs emerging that they have a clue about what they want to build, but that could likely be a fleeting promise.

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:26:59 PM EDT

[#13]

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Will it get the gee whiz neato passive radar/supercomputer treatment too or is it more dependant on other assets like AEGIS/AWACS ?

It's a similar unit though not as capable as the F-22s (remember they are on a budget). It uses the same R/T module technology but not as many units. FYI I had worked on the F-22 Radar, but the JSF Radar project was in a separate building.

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:38:55 PM EDT

[#14]

It's the shit.

Not as good as the Raptor... But better than everything else flying.

Including Andy's Eurofighter.

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:54:04 PM EDT

[#15]

Someone I know in the industry told me all the R&D guys were goose-pimplly with the idea of a big empty space right behind the pilot with a drive shaft coming straight from the engine.

I had no idea what he meant. He explained further that not all versions will have the lift fan. They're dreaming about putting an energy weapon back there!

Now that would make it one cool plane! Fly through the area zapping things with its laser!

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:56:50 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
It's the shit.

Not as good as the Raptor... But better than everything else flying.

Including Andy's Eurofighter.

Eurofighters a sad story...I like the design though, looks cool

Posted: 12/12/2005 2:57:55 PM EDT

[#17]

next wave is all pilotless stuff driven by kids trained on xbox 360's and their decendants and competitors...

where lag is an issue they will just stand off in awac like flying saucers....

Posted: 12/12/2005 3:00:17 PM EDT

[#18]

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Someone I know in the industry told me all the R&D guys were goose-pimplly with the idea of a big empty space right behind the pilot with a drive shaft coming straight from the engine.

I had no idea what he meant. He explained further that not all versions will have the lift fan. They're dreaming about putting an energy weapon back there!

Now that would make it one cool plane! Fly through the area zapping things with its laser!

That would be wrong. Behind the cockpit is where the number one fuel cell is housed, which was removed to accomadate the VTOL versions.

Posted: 12/12/2005 3:28:59 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Will it get the gee whiz neato passive radar/supercomputer treatment too or is it more dependant on other assets like AEGIS/AWACS ?

It's a similar unit though not as capable as the F-22s (remember they are on a budget). It uses the same R/T module technology but not as many units. FYI I had worked on the F-22 Radar, but the JSF Radar project was in a separate building.

Is the F-35 Radar LPI also?

Posted: 12/12/2005 3:54:41 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Will it get the gee whiz neato passive radar/supercomputer treatment too or is it more dependant on other assets like AEGIS/AWACS ?

It's a similar unit though not as capable as the F-22s (remember they are on a budget). It uses the same R/T module technology but not as many units. FYI I had worked on the F-22 Radar, but the JSF Radar project was in a separate building.

Is the F-35 Radar LPI also?

Even the radar altimeter in the F-35 is LPI!

And it has an IRST system....EOTS!

Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS)
The same joint venture, with Lockheed Martin in the lead role, is developing the electro-optical targeting system (EOTS). EOTS will provide extended-range detection and precision targeting of ground threats plus long-range detection of air-to-air threats. EOTS combines passive air-to-air detection and track with long-range laser designation and ranging of air and ground targets.

http://www.northropgrumman.com/paris2005/paris2005_programs/f35_mss.html

Posted: 12/12/2005 6:47:28 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Will it get the gee whiz neato passive radar/supercomputer treatment too or is it more dependant on other assets like AEGIS/AWACS ?

It's a similar unit though not as capable as the F-22s (remember they are on a budget). It uses the same R/T module technology but not as many units. FYI I had worked on the F-22 Radar, but the JSF Radar project was in a separate building.

Is the F-35 Radar LPI also?

Even the radar altimeter in the F-35 is LPI!

And it has an IRST system....EOTS!

Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS)
The same joint venture, with Lockheed Martin in the lead role, is developing the electro-optical targeting system (EOTS). EOTS will provide extended-range detection and precision targeting of ground threats plus long-range detection of air-to-air threats. EOTS combines passive air-to-air detection and track with long-range laser designation and ranging of air and ground targets.

http://www.northropgrumman.com/paris2005/paris2005_programs/f35_mss.html

someone definitly did their homework

Posted: 12/12/2005 6:57:24 PM EDT

[#22]

What I have yet to find out about the JSF is it's AA capability. As the F-16 ages, it's loosing agility due to increased weight (too bad Agile Falcon never got green-lighted), but it's still not bad. How agile is/will the JSF be in comparison?

Posted: 12/12/2005 6:59:55 PM EDT

[#23]

Posted: 12/12/2005 7:10:17 PM EDT

[#24]

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What I have yet to find out about the JSF is it's AA capability. As the F-16 ages, it's loosing agility due to increased weight (too bad Agile Falcon never got green-lighted), but it's still not bad. How agile is/will the JSF be in comparison?

F-35 can flip out like a ninja.

Posted: 12/12/2005 7:24:41 PM EDT

[#25]

You know, all this technology is really cool, but I still have not seen a better wat to get a bunch of ROPER's out of a Mosque or small building - other than some Marines getting boots dirty.

Just a thought..........

It still comes down to the very smallest of details....

CMOS

Posted: 12/14/2005 2:23:22 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
You know, all this technology is really cool, but I still have not seen a better wat to get a bunch of ROPER's out of a Mosque or small building - other than some Marines getting boots dirty.

Just a thought..........

It still comes down to the very smallest of details....

CMOS

Nuke payload, problem solved.

Posted: 12/14/2005 3:43:32 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Someone I know in the industry told me all the R&D guys were goose-pimplly with the idea of a big empty space right behind the pilot with a drive shaft coming straight from the engine.

I had no idea what he meant. He explained further that not all versions will have the lift fan. They're dreaming about putting an energy weapon back there!

Now that would make it one cool plane! Fly through the area zapping things with its laser!

That would be wrong. Behind the cockpit is where the number one fuel cell is housed, which was removed to accomadate the VTOL versions.

And that fuel cell will be removed and replaced with the laser when it is ready. They paid a big weight premium for having all the engines with the drive shaft, rather than just the VTOL ones, they arent going to waste it.

Kharn

Posted: 12/14/2005 3:49:03 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Okay, we all hear how cool the F22 is and that it will likely even "out cool" the superbug

What cool stuff do we know about the JSF? Besides the obvious VTOL/VSTOL versions and such. Will it be ginsu cool? Can it cut an aluminum can in half and still slice tomatoes?

The F-18 Super Hornet will replace both the JSF and the F-22 and all of their variants.

Posted: 12/14/2005 3:55:08 AM EDT

[#29]

The F-35 will be to the F-22 what the F-16 has been to the F-15......a complimentary workhorse that can do a bit of everything, but with a reduced pricetag and with a bit less capability in some areas than an F-22.

Posted: 12/14/2005 4:02:27 AM EDT

[#30]

Ask not what the JSF can do, but what we can do with the JSF.

We can sell the JSF to lesser nations with puny war budgets.

Posted: 12/14/2005 4:03:14 AM EDT

[#31]

... Two different missions. Not apples to oranges.

... Folks like to dog-breath our beloved SuperHornet - but she is as capable now, and for the foreseeable future, as any fighter fielded worldwide.

Posted: 12/14/2005 4:25:00 AM EDT

[#32]

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Ask not what the JSF can do, but what we can do with the JSF. We can sell the JSF to lesser nations with puny war budgets.

Ask not what the JSF can do, but what the F-18 Super Hornet will replace next

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:01:16 AM EDT

[#33]

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... Two different missions. Not apples to oranges.

... Folks like to dog-breath our beloved SuperHornet - but she is as capable now, and for the foreseeable future, as any fighter fielded worldwide.

ANY fighter fielded worldwide?

I can name a couple off the top of my head that could fly rings around it literally!

Posted: 12/14/2005 5:07:10 AM EDT

[#34]

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... Two different missions. Not apples to oranges.

... Folks like to dog-breath our beloved SuperHornet - but she is as capable now, and for the foreseeable future, as any fighter fielded worldwide.

ANY fighter fielded worldwide?

I can name a couple off the top of my head that could fly rings around it literally!

Yeah, well can they fly rings around it while doing ASW, EW, tanker, COD, SAR, CAS, AA,....well everything...

Posted: 12/14/2005 9:35:05 AM EDT

[#35]

As an armchair engineer it looks like the F-35 would pr'olly have a limited ability to supercruise.

Posted: 12/14/2005 9:39:49 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
You know, all this technology is really cool, but I still have not seen a better wat to get a bunch of ROPER's out of a Mosque or small building - other than some Marines getting boots dirty.

Just a thought..........

It still comes down to the very smallest of details....

CMOS

The JSF will replace the maintenance-heavy and limited capacity Harrier on our Amphib decks; so the Marines get a huge jump in CAS capability when operating independently of the carrier fleet.