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Posted: 4/14/2011 7:38:46 PM EDT
I've flown my last flight in my EFIS/FMS/FADEC ERJ (and my last flight as Captain, for many, many years).

I start class for my new gig next week.  Two weeks of indoc, and it's on to MD-80 school.

I hope I can remember what an instrument scan is all about.  And the limitations section of the AOM is about three times as thick as my old ride.

At least you never hear about the MD airplanes becoming convertibles in mid-flight.  But I still wish I'd gotten a "real" Boeing.
Link Posted: 4/14/2011 7:48:00 PM EDT
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At least you never hear about the MD airplanes becoming convertibles in mid-flight.  But I still wish I'd gotten a "real" Boeing.



Alaska Airlines Flight 261?
Link Posted: 4/14/2011 7:48:29 PM EDT
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Congrats on your next challenge.  
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At least you never hear about the MD airplanes becoming convertibles in mid-flight.  But I still wish I'd gotten a "real" Boeing.



Alaska Airlines Flight 261?


I'll bet the -80's/DC-9's have the best lubed jack screws going these days..We only operate the 737NG's.  What I'm going to miss the most, is all the automation.  I've been telling all my new FO's to "work smart, not hard".  The EFIS, and primary flight display totally destroy your scan.  Guess I'll have to remember how to fly, and not "systems manage" again. No matter what airplane I end up on, I'm just happy to be here.
Link Posted: 4/14/2011 7:59:12 PM EDT
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DDT
Link Posted: 4/14/2011 8:06:33 PM EDT
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Alliegent?
Link Posted: 4/14/2011 8:09:15 PM EDT
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Alliegent?


No, thank god.  Think "everything's bigger in Texas"
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No, thank god.  Think "everything's bigger in Texas"
American!!!!

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Alliegent?


No, thank god.  Think "everything's bigger in Texas"


First a Fed on the board, and now a Sky Nazi.  Do we even have a fucking moderator?

Regarding AA, are you a recall or new-hire?
Link Posted: 4/14/2011 8:19:05 PM EDT
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Alliegent?


No, thank god.  Think "everything's bigger in Texas"


First a Fed on the board, and now a Sky Nazi.  Do we even have a fucking moderator?

Regarding AA, are you a recall or new-hire?


It's a really long story, full of legal mumbo-jumbo, and a bunch of arbitrators rulings, but I'm told my new nickname is "throw up".  I'm an Eagle guy, with flow-through rights from 11 years ago.
Link Posted: 4/14/2011 8:41:13 PM EDT
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Numerous coffee cup sized gauges FTW!!

Link Posted: 4/14/2011 8:46:23 PM EDT
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Numerous coffee cup sized gauges FTW!!



Except for the airspeed, that seems to be "dinner plate" sized in the -80. Apparently they thought it was important or something.  It's just about as big as the AI.

But I do miss my days doing interview sim evals in the B-707 and KC-135 sims.  Nothing like 20 engine gauges, and a madly spinning trim wheel to put the fear of god in the new hire candidates..  And a climb fuel flow of 22000pph total in the -707.  Good times!
Link Posted: 4/15/2011 6:05:05 AM EDT
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Alliegent?


No, thank god.  Think "everything's bigger in Texas"


First a Fed on the board, and now a Sky Nazi.  Do we even have a fucking moderator?

Regarding AA, are you a recall or new-hire?


It's a really long story, full of legal mumbo-jumbo, and a bunch of arbitrators rulings, but I'm told my new nickname is "throw up".  I'm an Eagle guy, with flow-through rights from 11 years ago.


My brother was a TWA guy, so I'm somewhat familiar with the whole dog's breakfast. I was asking because I was wondering where they were at on the recall.  I've got a bunch of friends on that list. Congrats on the job!
Link Posted: 4/15/2011 6:34:34 AM EDT
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Alliegent?


No, thank god.  Think "everything's bigger in Texas"


First a Fed on the board, and now a Sky Nazi.  Do we even have a fucking moderator?

Regarding AA, are you a recall or new-hire?


It's a really long story, full of legal mumbo-jumbo, and a bunch of arbitrators rulings, but I'm told my new nickname is "throw up".  I'm an Eagle guy, with flow-through rights from 11 years ago.

Congrats, you definitely paid your dues being at Eagle that long.

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Alliegent?


No, thank god.  Think "everything's bigger in Texas"


First a Fed on the board, and now a Sky Nazi.  Do we even have a fucking moderator?

Regarding AA, are you a recall or new-hire?


It's a really long story, full of legal mumbo-jumbo, and a bunch of arbitrators rulings, but I'm told my new nickname is "throw up".  I'm an Eagle guy, with flow-through rights from 11 years ago.


My brother was a TWA guy, so I'm somewhat familiar with the whole dog's breakfast. I was asking because I was wondering where they were at on the recall.  I've got a bunch of friends on that list. Congrats on the job!



I heard yesterday that some of the '96 TWA hires got the call for June class.  The rumor at the schoolhouse, is that they will be through the entire list by next year.  They have hired a bunch of instructors, so something is going on.  I'm not happy with how all this shook out, I'd guess not many are.  

Link Posted: 4/15/2011 6:39:51 AM EDT
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Alliegent?


No, thank god.  Think "everything's bigger in Texas"


First a Fed on the board, and now a Sky Nazi.  Do we even have a fucking moderator?

Regarding AA, are you a recall or new-hire?


It's a really long story, full of legal mumbo-jumbo, and a bunch of arbitrators rulings, but I'm told my new nickname is "throw up".  I'm an Eagle guy, with flow-through rights from 11 years ago.


My brother was a TWA guy, so I'm somewhat familiar with the whole dog's breakfast. I was asking because I was wondering where they were at on the recall.  I've got a bunch of friends on that list. Congrats on the job!



I heard yesterday that some of the '96 TWA hires got the call for June class.  The rumor at the schoolhouse, is that they will be through the entire list by next year.  They have hired a bunch of instructors, so something is going on.  I'm not happy with how all this shook out, I'd guess not many are.  



That's good news...no one was going to be happy, at the end of the day.  My brother was one of the left seat Eagle flow-backs for a time, and like he said, he was sitting exactly where he was as if he had never left Simmons.  To paraphrase Josey Wales, everyone died a little in that damn mess.

ETA: I flew with some USAir flowbacks while at Chautauqua...good guys, one and all.  I didn't agree with the program, but at the end of the day, their union did come through for them.
Link Posted: 4/15/2011 6:54:06 AM EDT
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Alliegent?


No, thank god.  Think "everything's bigger in Texas"


First a Fed on the board, and now a Sky Nazi.  Do we even have a fucking moderator?

Regarding AA, are you a recall or new-hire?


It's a really long story, full of legal mumbo-jumbo, and a bunch of arbitrators rulings, but I'm told my new nickname is "throw up".  I'm an Eagle guy, with flow-through rights from 11 years ago.


My brother was a TWA guy, so I'm somewhat familiar with the whole dog's breakfast. I was asking because I was wondering where they were at on the recall.  I've got a bunch of friends on that list. Congrats on the job!



I heard yesterday that some of the '96 TWA hires got the call for June class.  The rumor at the schoolhouse, is that they will be through the entire list by next year.  They have hired a bunch of instructors, so something is going on.  I'm not happy with how all this shook out, I'd guess not many are.  



That's good news...no one was going to be happy, at the end of the day.  My brother was one of the left seat Eagle flow-backs for a time, and like he said, he was sitting exactly where he was as if he had never left Simmons.  To paraphrase Josey Wales, everyone died a little in that damn mess.

ETA: I flew with some USAir flowbacks while at Chautauqua...good guys, one and all.  I didn't agree with the program, but at the end of the day, their union did come through for them.


When did your brother leave Simmons?  I started this ride on the Shorts at Simmons.  Way back in 1989.  I flew a month with one of the ex-TWA flowbacks, who got displaced to FO at AE.  One of the best months I've had in a long time.
Link Posted: 4/15/2011 9:12:07 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/15/2011 12:44:37 PM EDT
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Numerous coffee cup sized gauges FTW!!



Except for the airspeed, that seems to be "dinner plate" sized in the -80. Apparently they thought it was important or something.  It's just about as big as the AI.


Congrats on the new job!  Despite everything, "mainlineness" still trumps regional life.  Good luck - the HSI on that aircraft is FOREVER hiding behind the yoke. :)
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 7:48:58 AM EDT
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RUT ROH!  Just put up on Drudge Report. Happened to me three times with freight and regionals. It's why I gave it up.

"The airline said Wednesday it will reduce expansion plans, especially on U.S. flying, although it still expects to increase fourth-quarter capacity 2.2 percent above the same period in 2010.

American said it will retire at least 25 MD-80 aircraft this year to save fuel and add newer planes to its fleet."

Hope it does not affect you. Best of luck. WJ
Link Posted: 4/20/2011 6:09:45 PM EDT
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Numerous coffee cup sized gauges FTW!!



Except for the airspeed, that seems to be "dinner plate" sized in the -80. Apparently they thought it was important or something.  It's just about as big as the AI.

But I do miss my days doing interview sim evals in the B-707 and KC-135 sims.  Nothing like 20 engine gauges, and a madly spinning trim wheel to put the fear of god in the new hire candidates..  And a climb fuel flow of 22000pph total in the -707.  Good times!


My grandfather ran one of those 707/135 sims at American. I flew it quite a bit as a young kid. I love that huge, loud trim wheel. Good ol Boeing.


Now he can get used to the giant suitcase handle.  BZZZZZZZZZZZZZ    BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ   BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Link Posted: 4/21/2011 2:18:54 PM EDT
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RUT ROH!  Just put up on Drudge Report. Happened to me three times with freight and regionals. It's why I gave it up.

"The airline said Wednesday it will reduce expansion plans, especially on U.S. flying, although it still expects to increase fourth-quarter capacity 2.2 percent above the same period in 2010.

American said it will retire at least 25 MD-80 aircraft this year to save fuel and add newer planes to its fleet."

Hope it does not affect you. Best of luck. WJ


Not exactly the news we wanted to hear during the first week of class, but we are told it wont affect us right now, and that the recalls should continue, but at a slower pace.  The new FTDT rules will have a rather large impact on pilot staffing, as will the pending retirements starting in December of '12.  Hope they are right.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 2:03:45 PM EDT
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Thanks, for the update.  I'm a little behind you thanks to the Arbitrator.  



I really don't disagree with the ruling.  A deal is a deal, and youse had it before the buyout.  



Good luck with training, and in keeping your job.   Will you have flow-back rights?
Now, if only we can get a couple thousands of those old buzzards to retire.  
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 2:21:46 PM EDT
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Now, if only we can get a couple thousands of those old buzzards to retire.  


Good luck with that.

Link Posted: 5/28/2011 4:49:57 PM EDT
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Only one week into the 12 day systems class, and my brain hurts..Way too many numbers on this airplane.  We got to "fly" the sim off motion this week.  This thing flies like a dump truck with flat tires...But I'm liking it so far!
Link Posted: 5/28/2011 7:55:24 PM EDT
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Thanks, for the update.  I'm a little behind you thanks to the Arbitrator.  

I really don't disagree with the ruling.  A deal is a deal, and youse had it before the buyout.  

Good luck with training, and in keeping your job.   Will you have flow-back rights?



Now, if only we can get a couple thousands of those old buzzards to retire.  


Bill,

Did you get the call yet?  We hear they are just about done filling the Jul classes.  If not, have you seen this yet?? http://www.takewingdesign.com/apastuff.aspx
Link Posted: 5/28/2011 10:35:29 PM EDT
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Thanks, for the update.  I'm a little behind you thanks to the Arbitrator.  
Good luck with training, and in keeping your job.   Will you have flow-back rights?

Bill,
Did you get the call yet?  We hear they are just about done filling the Jul classes.  If not, have you seen this yet?? http://www.takewingdesign.com/apastuff.aspx









Thanks.   I've been following Don's projections. I can't help but think they may be a little optimistic.?.? but I hope he is right.  I'll be ready, willing and able at the first opportunity.

Have fun with the MadDog.  
 
Link Posted: 5/29/2011 4:54:46 AM EDT
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you can always tell when a 80 is climbing out.

just sounds different.

I used to work 6mi from an airport and always knew when it was an md80

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Link Posted: 6/22/2011 12:07:33 PM EDT
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The training gods smiled down on me once again.  After just about a month of training, I left the school house today, with my DC-9 type rating.

Two days off, and it's on to OE.  And then my new life as "junior reserve bitch" begins

Link Posted: 6/22/2011 12:13:05 PM EDT
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The training gods smiled down on me once again today.  After just about a month of training, I left the school house today, with my DC-9 type rating.

Two days off, and it's on to OE.  And then my new life as "junior reserve bitch" begins



Well done.

Just check your "xmit" button.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 3:10:40 PM EDT
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The training gods smiled down on me once again today.  After just about a month of training, I left the school house today, with my DC-9 type rating.

Two days off, and it's on to OE.  And then my new life as "junior reserve bitch" begins



Well done.

Just check your "xmit" button.


I'm totally out of the loop, today is the first time I've spent more than 15 minutes surfing in the last month.  You mean the SWA guys in HOU?  That's some quality radio work, right there!!  Considering the average age of our FA's, I don't think it's gonna be a problem over here..
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 3:25:12 PM EDT
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Congrats on your new job. AA still has a good retirement.

I'm on the MD-80 and I have a small bit of advice. Always leave at least one eye watching it and never never never trust it to do what you told it to do or what it says it is doing.

and you should be good to go.
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 3:59:38 PM EDT
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Congrats on your new job. AA still has a good retirement.

I'm on the MD-80 and I have a small bit of advice. Always leave at least one eye watching it and never never never trust it to do what you told it to do or what it says it is doing.

and you should be good to go.


Mach,

You here at AA, or on the DL side?  And that's a lesson that was driven home several times in training, and once on the rating ride.  At times, I wonder how McDouglas ever got this thing certified?  but I'm liking it, and having big fun so far!

Some MD-80 Sim porn..(most of them were made by Link..As in "Link Trainer")..





Don't know this guy, but I like his videos....

MD-80 Video, click me..
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 4:18:06 PM EDT
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Congrats on your new job. AA still has a good retirement.

I'm on the MD-80 and I have a small bit of advice. Always leave at least one eye watching it and never never never trust it to do what you told it to do or what it says it is doing.

and you should be good to go.


Mach,

You here at AA, or on the DL side?  And that's a lesson that was driven home several times in training, and once on the rating ride.  At times, I wonder how McDouglas ever got this thing certified?  but I'm liking it, and having big fun so far!

Some MD-80 Sim porn..(most of them were made by Link..As in "Link Trainer")..

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/CIMG0481Medium.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b299/nimslow/CIMG0483Medium.jpg

Don't know this guy, but I like his videos....

MD-80 Video, click me..


Once you get used to the quirks and no power steering, it's fine. It just takes a while to get comfortable because of both of those things.

You have to put the control inputs in before you need them
Link Posted: 6/22/2011 8:14:19 PM EDT
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One helluva slow aircraft to fuel....that's for sure. Especially when it's doing some distance.
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