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Posted: 2/22/2016 7:54:02 PM EDT
With the recent events between Russia and NATO/non-NATO countries, do you think there will ever be a time when Russia won't be considered an antagonist to the United States? For example, do you think they might join NATO in the next 20 years? What say you?
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No. Right now it's the neo-cons in charge and one of the principles they believe is that there can be only one superpower, the US, and that the US should do anything necessary to ensure that no other power threatens that status. Look up the Wolfowicz Doctrine. When we're done with hyper-inflation, I doubt if that policy will remain in effect.
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I miss the cold war. Hell, without the cold war we would of never had Red Dawn or The Hunt for Red October. Life was just more interesting when we were under the constant threat of full nuclear war at any minute.
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No. Right now it's the neo-cons in charge and one of the principles they believe is that there can be only one superpower, the US, and that the US should do anything necessary to ensure that no other power threatens that status. Look up the Wolfowicz Doctrine. When we're done with hyper-inflation, I doubt if that policy will remain in effect. View Quote So whats that have to do with russian policy; Putin already neglects America? if I'm not mistaken that only pertains to the U.S. What happens when this policy fails to remain relevant? |
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I miss the cold war. Hell, without the cold war we would of never had Red Dawn or The Hunt for Red October. Life was just more interesting when we were under the constant threat of full nuclear war at any minute. View Quote Great propaganda. We'd laugh at the sh*t the Russians or Chinese would say. Now we only have the Norks for old fashion Cold War propaganda. |
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Until the Soviets are out of power, yes.
Adopt an actual democratic government, the Latin alphabet (instead of commiefont), and stop arming hostile countries and we can talk |
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I voted No
But and take this as Gospel They are a proud people and will never back down, not unlike the US. |
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So whats that have to do with russian policy? if I'm not mistaken that only pertains to the U.S. What happens when this policy fails to remain relevant? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No. Right now it's the neo-cons in charge and one of the principles they believe is that there can be only one superpower, the US, and that the US should do anything necessary to ensure that no other power threatens that status. Look up the Wolfowicz Doctrine. When we're done with hyper-inflation, I doubt if that policy will remain in effect. So whats that have to do with russian policy? if I'm not mistaken that only pertains to the U.S. What happens when this policy fails to remain relevant? US won't have the resources to ensure enforce that doctrine. We've been broke and the world isn't buying our debt anymore. When the Wolfowicz Doctrine is discarded, our defense spending will drop since there will be fewer foreign adventures (Iraq, Libya, Syria and all those quasi-wars). I would expect to see a decrease in other nation's defense spending too. |
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A threat? No, I have never been and will never be afraid of the fucking bear. They are no threat to me or mine. But I will allow my hate for them to keep me warm until I am in my grave.
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US won't have the resources to ensure enforce that doctrine. We've been broke and the world isn't buying our debt anymore. When the Wolfowicz Doctrine is discarded, our defense spending will drop since there will be fewer foreign adventures (Iraq, Libya, Syria and all those quasi-wars). I would expect to see a decrease in other nation's defense spending too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No. Right now it's the neo-cons in charge and one of the principles they believe is that there can be only one superpower, the US, and that the US should do anything necessary to ensure that no other power threatens that status. Look up the Wolfowicz Doctrine. When we're done with hyper-inflation, I doubt if that policy will remain in effect. So whats that have to do with russian policy? if I'm not mistaken that only pertains to the U.S. What happens when this policy fails to remain relevant? US won't have the resources to ensure enforce that doctrine. We've been broke and the world isn't buying our debt anymore. When the Wolfowicz Doctrine is discarded, our defense spending will drop since there will be fewer foreign adventures (Iraq, Libya, Syria and all those quasi-wars). I would expect to see a decrease in other nation's defense spending too. So when are spending and presence falls, won't a power such as Russia or China claim the torch? The whole Putin administration strikes me as anti-west and he has brainwashed his civilians into believing what he says for the most part. |
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Until the Soviets are out of power, yes. Adopt an actual democratic government, the Latin alphabet (instead of commiefont), and stop arming hostile countries and we can talk Pochemu alfavit vazhnyy? The Latin alphabet is the alphabet of freedom |
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Not if trumps elected. Putin thinks he's the greatest thing since PB&J
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Ask yourself this question: "Am I, and people like me, more likely to be killed by the U.S. government or the Russian government?"
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Everything is a "threat" and "enemy" to the US, even our "friends".
An actual enemy, though? No. Of course we do get to talk about the great Red Menace and how they'll be our mortal enemies forever for some reason. |
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Idk. Both putin and medvediv publicly claim the U.S. to be THERE number one threat. Although he may not be ours, this doesn't look good when we let our guard down.
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I have always been interested in russia post cold war. Its amazing how putin is trying to reinstate cold war tensions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They will always be my enemy, at any rate. I have always been interested in russia post cold war. Its amazing how putin is trying to reinstate cold war tensions. It works for North Korea |
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if being their allies during ww2 didn't bring us close I doubt anything ever will. The Rowers are just a fucked up type of viking.
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Putin needs an external enemy to justify his rule. Could Russia have been an equal partner with the west? Certainly but they,and by they I mean Putin and underlings,do not want such a relationship.
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I still foreseen, even after putin "leaves" office, russia opposing use
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No. Right now it's the neo-cons in charge and one of the principles they believe is that there can be only one superpower, the US, and that the US should do anything necessary to ensure that no other power threatens that status. Look up the Wolfowicz Doctrine. When we're done with hyper-inflation, I doubt if that policy will remain in effect. View Quote Are you serious? The neocons in power, The so called NEO's lost power going on 10 years ago?, last I checked Obama was giving them whatever they want? I got news for you, I lived in Russia and this has bumpkis to do with Russia's new found aggression. Russia has been doing this since George Washington was president and will continue doing so for as long as they are capable. Russia is doing this because we are projecting weakness. Whatever their faults, Neocons did not project weakness. |
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We shouldn't be enemies still. Our government has been much more aggressive toward Russia than Russia has been toward us since the end of the Cold War. I mean, we consider SAudi -fucking -Arabia as an ally, we have no moral high horse.
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With the recent events between Russia and NATO/non-NATO countries, do you think there will ever be a time when Russia won't be considered an antagonist to the United States? For example, do you think they might join NATO in the next 20 years? What say you? View Quote will Russia not been seen as a enemy? dont know, maybe some day. but Russia will always be seen as Russia. they have not changed to much over the century's |
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Russians are gonna Rus.
Part of Rusing is having paranoid xenophobia about the outside world and projecting upon all foreigners, your own predisposition for deceit, underhandedness and skullduggery. In short, they're hostile, and because of that they think everybody else is too. For every "we got invaded" story the russians have, their neighbors have two "the Russians invaded us" stories to match. Russia will always Rus. They can only be, at best under the most peaceable of circumstances, a truculent adversary. |
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We shouldn't be enemies still. Our government has been much more aggressive toward Russia than Russia has been toward us since the end of the Cold War. I mean, we consider SAudi -fucking -Arabia as an ally, we have no moral high horse. View Quote We are enemies because they want to be enemies. We would have been happy to be friends. Saudi Arabia has had a pragmatic government that has been an ally. Saudi pragmatism is the result of their weakness and their need to choose between the West and East during the Cold War. If an Arab Spring type event sweeps away the current government in SA the result will probably be similar to the Iranian Revolution. And, we have to have allies in this world, and in many cases if not most that means we get flees. |
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We shouldn't be enemies still. Our government has been much more aggressive toward Russia than Russia has been toward us since the end of the Cold War. I mean, we consider SAudi -fucking -Arabia as an ally, we have no moral high horse. View Quote Truth. I don't claim to know best, but I do understand the "strategery" involved. Chess, not checkers. |
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Russians are gonna Rus. Part of Rusing is having paranoid xenophobia about the outside world and projecting upon all foreigners, your own predisposition for deceit, underhandedness and skullduggery. In short, they're hostile, and because of that they think everybody else is too. For every "we got invaded" story the russians have, their neighbors have two "the Russians invaded us" stories to match. Russia will always Rus. They can only be, at best under the most peaceable of circumstances, a truculent adversary. View Quote Russia has always had an elevated opinion of themselves, also. They bask in the glow of the Cold War, when they were considered a superpower, when in reality they were more a hybred banana republic/industrial nation that had nukes. |
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Putin needs an external enemy to justify his rule. Could Russia have been an equal partner with the west? Certainly but they,and by they I mean Putin and underlings,do not want such a relationship. View Quote I don't think that could have happened. Russia would want an equal role, Russia would behave according to different moral standards, Russia would not trust the West or the US. Russia would be a banana republic with, at best, crony capitalism. |
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But yet no one looks at China in the same way, and I think that is odd. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They will always be my enemy, at any rate. But yet no one looks at China in the same way, and I think that is odd. Because the TV doesn't say china is an enemy. |
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But yet no one looks at China in the same way, and I think that is odd. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They will always be my enemy, at any rate. But yet no one looks at China in the same way, and I think that is odd. Russia doesn't make rubber dog turds for us. Follow the money. I hope we don't get into another Cold War. They can always turn into Hot Wars...with nukes. |
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If it's Turkey vs. Russia, I hope the fucking Russians roll into Istanbul.
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I'd like to see Trump make a deal with them and steamroll the Muslims.
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The idea of a nation state having a permanent enemy, or permanent allies for that matter, is stupid. Sure, we can have competing interests and that may lead to conflict, but it should not be permanent.
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Actually, Russian and American interests are rapidly converging.... just too many old "cold warriors" who refuse to see what's happening (changes) in the world today. If we began actively trading with Russia to a greater degree, we'd find that we have more in common with them than with a number of western european countries. DAMN sight more in common than with China. But, unfortunately, too many people still in power who won't open their eyes.
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As long as the dumb fucking neocons are influential in government.
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