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Posted: 6/3/2008 5:43:56 PM EDT
Well what you think?
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:44:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:45:09 PM EDT
He will take her as his concubine.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:45:52 PM EDT

He wants change.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:46:09 PM EDT
Does it really matter?
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:46:13 PM EDT

Not if he wants to survive one term.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:46:16 PM EDT

He will take her as his concubine.

Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:47:20 PM EDT

He will take her as his concubine.

Thats Hot
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:47:38 PM EDT
God that would be great... people's hatred for Hilary and Obama rolled in to one ticket!  To bad he would never ask her and she would never accept.

ETA: Obama would be (will be) far FAR FAR worse than Carter ever dreamed of being.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:48:59 PM EDT
Anybody watching her speach?  Anybody see the fruit salad over her left sholder? Anybody else laughing their ass off?
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:51:09 PM EDT
Here's what Don Kates thinks:

BRIEF SUMMARY: To understand what’s going on here we must realize four
things: 1) the last thing Obama wants is Hillary as a running mate; 2) the last thing Hillary wants is to be Obama’s running mate; 3) what Hillary does want is for Obama to lose so she can run in 2012 as the Democrat who would have won in 2008 but the Party stupidly nominated Obama instead; and 4) to help Obama lose, Hillary wants to alienate voters from him by making it APPEAR that she gave her all for party unity but he excluded her from the ticket.

1) Reasons why Obama does not even want Hillary on the ticket much less as VP if he wins

    a) Above and beyond anything else, Bill Clinton is an erratic, supremely selfish, self-aggrandizing narcissist who could not resist, and could not be stopped from, getting headlines by running his mouth – even w/ his wife’s presidential nomination at risk. Obama has already been hurt by damaging statements from Revs. Wright and Phleger. God knows what stupid, hurtful thing Bill might say to garner applause and publicity. And if Obama wins, having Hillary as VP would mean at least four years of Bill getting headlines by running his mouth – w/o regard to actual administration policy or truth or discretion.

    b) instead of the customary loyal VP, what Obama would get from Hillary as VP is a disloyal subordinate deeply resentful because she feels that the top job should have been hers. God knows what all she could and would do. At the very least be a source of endless leaks harmful to administration policy. In any event, it is predictable that she would be the most troublesome VP since Jefferson got stuck w/ Aaron Burr.

    c) Yes, Hillary has many strong supporters. But she also comes w/ huge baggage: a very high unfavorability rating plus a long record of outright lies and shady financial dealings. What if in the middle of the campaign she is discovered in some financial scandal or she asserts some preposterous lie (e.g. that Obama was w/ her when she wasn’t) being shot at in Kosovo). The ideal running mate is a VP candidate who brings support to the ticket not one whose huge negatives must be balanced against, and may outweigh, any support she brings.

    No, Obama would never want her actually on the ticket. But what he also does not want is to alienate her supporters by making them think that she would have been willing to serve but he turned her down.

2) Reasons why Hillary would not want to be VP:

    As senator from NY she has a substantial amount of power plus an independent position from which she can dissociate herself from, and even denounce, any administration decision she disapproves or which proves unpopular. As VP she not only has no independent power at all, but she is supposed to be loyal to the administration and regardless of the merits of any criticism she makes of its policies, she will be denounced as disloyal. As John Nance Garner summarized his own experience. "The vice presidency isn’t worth a pitcher of warm piss."

3) What does Hillary want?

    For Obama to lose the next election so she can run in 2012 as the Democrat who would have won in 2008 but the Party stupidly nominated Obama instead. BUT she cannot afford to have it appear that she sabotaged Obama.

    So in a pretense at Romney-like party loyalty she makes a phony offer to run on the ticket (for the sake of the party) – knowing that Obama is almost certainly going to turn her down. Notice that her "offer" has cleverly been phrased in such a manner as to allow her to withdraw in the very unlikely event that Obama said yes. The whole point is to help Obama lose in 2008. Hillary seeks to alienate voters from him by making it appear that she gave her all for party unity but he excluded her from the ticket.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:55:16 PM EDT
Don Kates is obviously a very clever man.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 5:58:48 PM EDT
Cigar anyone?
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 8:02:14 PM EDT
Well, I think Hillary would take VP if offered, but Obama wouldn't last much over 2 years.

1.  She would act the loyal supporter to defray suspicion.
2.  She would have plenty of time to plan.
3.  She could serve the rest of Obama's term and be elected 2 more times.

If Obama was assassinated, Hillary would have all she needed to go after guns and gun owners.

To select Hillary as VP, Obama would have to be nuts, stupid, or so totally wrapped up in himself that he couldn't believe anything bad could happen to his august personage.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 8:05:48 PM EDT
he'd be scared she would have him assasinated... for realz
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 8:10:07 PM EDT
They have been blowing smoke up each others ass all through this primary. Poor Hillery once you go black...What will Bil do ?
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 11:03:56 PM EDT
Bringing in a well known harridan with a 50% disapproval rating on to your team doesn't seem like it would do anything but assuage female Democrats.
Link Posted: 6/3/2008 11:14:42 PM EDT
Only if he's tired of breathing
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