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Posted: 5/11/2004 1:57:55 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:06:58 PM EST
I predict that the only policy change will concern civilian contractors and what/where they are permitted to do.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:15:03 PM EST
This will cause all the hand-wringing liberals and socialists to say it was all Bush's fault, and that this beheading never would have happened if we hadn't mistreated those poor innocent Iraqi prisoners.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:15:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:
I predict that the only policy change will concern civilian contractors and what/where they are permitted to do.



I hope it doesn't change too much before I get there.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:17:35 PM EST
Probably not...
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:18:15 PM EST
Sadly, I doubt this grotesque and barbaric episode will change our rules of engagement.
The GW during 911 and the post war Iraq GW, are two different folks. The dems won't be offended to the point where they shift support in favor of GW making heads roll!

I'm not saying that GW has lost his balls, but the manner in which we deal with this sort of barbarism has changed. I would hope GW will implement a plan to round up and eradicate anyone who opposes Coalition authority.

It's high time we abandon our diplomatic method of dealing with these savages. I have no doubt GW feels the same way. However, our position in Iraq is more at scrutiny than ever before. The liberal media has gained the upper hand in regards to how our troops eradicate the enemy. We are under the microscope, being heavily bird dogged by our own countrymen and sadly we are unable to retaliate effectively.

I seriously doubt that the beheading of Mr. Berg will strike a different nerve than the one irritated by the murder of the four US contracters.

GW must calculate carefully, an appropriate response to todays events. The dems are waiting to pounce on GW and are arming themselves with a forked tongue. This day will not stand out more than any other AFA US policy against terrorists.

GW acted decisively after 911. Since the end of major combat operations in Iraq, he now finds himself under greater scrutiny. Iraq will never be seen as a terrorist hotspot where our actions are justified.

HS1
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:20:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:
I predict that the only policy change will concern civilian contractors and what/where they are permitted to do.



Yup.

I don't expect what's needed to be done, to be done. I expect this administration to cower like little bitches in the same manner they have been for the past 5 months.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:22:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Greywolf2112:
This will cause all the hand-wringing liberals and socialists to say it was all Bush's fault, and that this beheading never would have happened if we hadn't mistreated those poor innocent Iraqi prisoners.





Yep!
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:28:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Will his brutal execution at the hand of terrorist savages remind Bush of his 9-12-01 pledge to hunt down and kill terrorists in any country they are in?

Will this be the end of 'cease fires' and protracted negotiations that are doomed to failure?

Will this finally light a much needed fire under his ass so he gets that damn job done?

Will he finally stop catering to leftists and quit trying to fight a diplomatic war?

It's simple.

Take the country by force. Remove the aggressors, ALL OF THEM. Remind the peaceful peaople of Iraq to keep things under control.

Sadly it seems to take events like 9-11, Fallujah and Nick Berg to kick people in the ass and remind them that we are not at war with France.

Why must people die at the hands of savages for us to get our shit together?



Nothing will change.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:33:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Sadly it seems to take events like 9-11, Fallujah and Nick Berg to kick people in the ass and remind them that we are not at war with France.

Why must people die at the hands of savages for us to get our shit together?



Because there's an election to be won or lost. Bush knows this. Believe me I wish we could start cutting throats and lighting the place up yesterday. But the American public are sheep and they will not accept it. We'll end up with Kerry.

Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:34:58 PM EST
Sadly, his death wont solidify our resolve to punish and destroy.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:35:39 PM EST
Ask Al Sadr's boys in Karbala...

Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:36:36 PM EST


Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:
I predict that the only policy change will concern civilian contractors and what/where they are permitted to do.



id say that's abotut it. this administration is incapable of fighting a real war in iraq. i had some belief this was not the case, but when i saw the government stumbling all over itself to apologize for the "torture" photos, it was quite clear.

Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:36:45 PM EST
Sheeples couldn't remember about 9/11 long enough to "KEEP THE FIGHT UP" , this won't make any long term policy change. Instead of the 3000+ deaths at the World Trade Center, it will more then likely take 300,000 or 3,000,000 deaths before this country gets 100% behind what really needs to be done to eliminate terrorism.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 2:39:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 4:06:50 PM EST
I am hoping it will encourage all of our overseas service members to put away the cameras and get on with the business of winning the war if you know what I mean.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 4:14:49 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/11/2004 4:30:45 PM EST
I wonder how many US troops overseas will get to vote absentee this year - considering thousands of potential Bush supporters are deployed. I'm not necessarily a Bush fan but am vehemently Anti-Kerry. God I hope that POS from Mass. doesn't win the election.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 4:40:31 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/11/2004 4:55:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
If President Bush wants a second term, unlike his father who was very 'disconnected' with the idea of having to stand for a second term, then he should use this barbarity as a 'wedge issue' to put a lot of distance between his Presidency and the candidacy of John F***ing Kerry!

He should unleash the dogs of war and put an end as quickly as possible to all insurgency in Iraq!

ALL INSURGENCY.

NOW!

The longer he delays what must be done, the more likely it will be that what 'must be done' will not be done by the newly-elected Kerry Administration!

Surely he can understand this?

Eric The(EverHopeful)Hun



I too, was hopeful. Unfortunately with each passing day I lose not just a little, but quite a lot of hope that Bush and those in his administration will do what must be done.

Early on in his presidency I stood by this man and was thankful that he was in office. As it gets closer to election time I look at him with more and more contempt and disgust, seeing him cave before the weak leftists and in doing so, sacrifice the lives of brave and honorable Americans.

WAKE THE FUCK UP BUSH!
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 5:03:59 PM EST
All it will do is harden the resolve of those fighting, and those who make the decisions.

It also serves to dehumanize the enemy, making one's aim more true, and eliminating any hesitation at trigger time.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 5:05:03 PM EST
if the country has forgotten the lessons of 9-11 and it has...this will change nothing and will be forgotten in a week or two, just in time to beat up GB on some other BS
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 5:10:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Will his brutal execution at the hand of terrorist savages remind Bush of his 9-12-01 pledge to hunt down and kill terrorists in any country they are in?

Will this be the end of 'cease fires' and protracted negotiations that are doomed to failure?

Will this finally light a much needed fire under his ass so he gets that damn job done?

Will he finally stop catering to leftists and quit trying to fight a diplomatic war?

It's simple.

Take the country by force. Remove the aggressors, ALL OF THEM. Remind the peaceful peaople of Iraq to keep things under control.

Sadly it seems to take events like 9-11, Fallujah and Nick Berg to kick people in the ass and remind them that we are not at war with France.

Why must people die at the hands of savages for us to get our shit together?



Nothing will change.

Ditto. I watched Paula Zahn and scanned the info-boobs on cable. Except for Fox, Nick Berg will be glossed-over and forgotten. Doesn't fit the agenda.

America has gone back to sleep. GWB's falling in the polls, and unless there is a real al Qaeda attack in the US, the sheeple treat it all like a bad dream. Apathy sinks in. The only issue is the gas pump. I think GWB is dead meat. Say "President John Kerry" a few times, you'll hear a lot of that sound in the next four years.

And yer floggin the wrong horse to blame GWB. The people get the government that they deserve.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 5:13:33 PM EST
Bush now has ONE golden opportunity to Stand up once and for all. If he treats terrorist-controlled area of Iraq like Sherman treated Atlanta, he'll be untouchable come November. I could be wrong.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 5:20:14 PM EST

I too, was hopeful. Unfortunately with each passing day I lose not just a little, but quite a lot of hope that Bush and those in his administration will do what must be done.


I'm not a big GWB fan, but on this issue he does need to walk a fine line. "What must be done" isn't something that can be done overnight--we don't even have Osama in custody yet. So in order to finish "what must be done" it is wise to not let a media which is 99% against you paint your actions in such a way that 51% of the electorate thinks you don't deserve to continue doing "what must be done."
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 5:26:00 PM EST
Unfortunetly, most of the far left liberal, hate America first crowd, will not have their minds changed unless something like this happens to them, They think that no matter what happens in the world it is always the United States fault. Being a patriot and supporting American ideals will always come in second place to their left wing beliefs. Flame suit on.

Shootist
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 5:35:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By SHOOTIST:
Unfortunetly, most of the far left liberal, hate America first crowd, will not have their minds changed unless something like this happens to them, They think that no matter what happens in the world it is always the United States fault. Being a patriot and supporting American ideals will always come in second place to their left wing beliefs. Flame suit on.

Shootist



Nah, take your flame suit off. I'm becoming more convinced the older I get that leftists really and truly are tools of the devil himself.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 6:04:06 PM EST
As a Texan first and American second, I was once a staunch Bush supporter. I really thought GWB would make a difference. But the fact is that he is just the "shrub" the dems say he is. A wuss with no heart for the war that needs to be fought in the manner it must be fought if we are to win it. It's not the fault of our troops. They just have not been allowed to kill all the ememy in a wholesale and indiscriminate manner. Win the "hearts and minds of the Iraqi people". What a joke.

If we can't win a litte fire fight in a dung hole like Iraq, how are supposed to ever stand up to China, North Korea, or any other REAL threat?

Will shrub get re-elected? Maybe. But I honestly do not think it matters anymore. Shrubs stance on many issues is not that much different from the dems position 20 years ago. Compromise, concession, and more compromise dilutes and erodes. In 20 years the repbulican party will be what the dems are now. Just a matter of time before they morph into dems.

Again, does it matter if shrub gets re-elected? Heck we have all three branches in our control and we still cannot get done what needs to be done in government, plus they spend our taxes like drunk sailors (no offense to you Navy boys). So what real difference will it make if shrub wins or JF Kerry wins?

God help us. If our leaders don't grow some hair pretty soon our country is doomed.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 6:07:19 PM EST
GWB will do nothing.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 6:10:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By A_G:

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:
I predict that the only policy change will concern civilian contractors and what/where they are permitted to do.



Yup.

I don't expect what's needed to be done, to be done. I expect this administration to cower like little bitches in the same manner they have been for the past 5 months.



Oh right. Whatever.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 6:11:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
GWB will do nothing.



I thought we already established you were wrong about this the first time. He HAS BEEN doing something. And he will continue to keep doing it.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 6:32:10 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 7:13:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 7:20:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By MickeyMouse:
Yea, he may be doing SOMETHING, but is he doing enough? I don't think so. Until I see mushroom clouds in the ME I will consider ALL efforts as too gentle.

Berg will be forgotten by the media and their sheep - by Thursday. OTOH we will hear the hand wringing about the "prisoner abuse" BS for WEEKS.

We are going to LOSE this frigging war if we don't kick some major ass and soon. Osama is laughing at us, Sadam hasn't been turned over for trial (he should already be hanged), Al Jazeera flaunts the Arab line of BS, our own media are doing everything they can to defeat us. We got many of the terrorists right where we want them - in Iraq - and ain't got the balls to KILL the bastards! Makes me sick!!



CNN and MSNBC are trying to bury the Burg story- but its front page on Fox News Channel. We shall see if Neilson is correct and Fox has more power than CNN and MSNBC combined if Fox and the internet can keep the legs under this story when the other networks want to bury it.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 7:53:15 PM EST
The real question is when will we as a whole decide to give up the myth that most muslims are peaceful people. Some of them are peaceful but most muslims would rather we didn't exist. You have the most extreme, like the savage goat-fucking scum that taped themselves slaughtering an innocent man and last week massacred a mother and her daughters in Gaza. Then you have the overt haters who spread their shit through college classrooms and mosques around the world. Then there are 10's of millions more, who support the more extreme ones through their inaction. Some because they believe in it and others because they don't want to make waves. Islam is a religion of peace only where it is forced to be by a non-muslim majority. Everywhere where they are found in large numbers they are violent and/or oppressive. If the good muslims won't clense themselves of the bad ones, we will do it for them.
Link Posted: 5/11/2004 8:09:13 PM EST
I think GWB is waiting on the election, and taking notes. Once he is a lame duck, he can get medieval on their asses and not give a rat`s ass. I bet you`ll hear the names Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg come election time. And as for not doing something, just remember since 9-11-01, 3/4 of the AlQuaeda leadership is dead or in undisclosed locations, or basically hiding for their lives. The pussy europeans also know we have a president that won`t let their sensitivities get in his way. Remember, GWB is the guy who told the world he won`t ask the UN for a permission slip to protect the US.
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