
Posted: 5/19/2002 12:02:40 AM EDT
[url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/05/17_airlines.html[/url]
The White House has now confirmed that Bush was briefed last August about the possibility that bin Laden and his operatives were planning to hijack several U.S. commercial airliners. Now even some of Bush's most ardent supporters are beginning to ask: "What did Bush know and when did he know it?" An even more important question is "What did he do with that information and why didn't he tell the airlines?" View Quote |
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That's PERSEC, not OPSEC. -AvengeR15
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Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
[url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/05/17_airlines.html[/url] The White House has now confirmed that Bush was briefed last August about the possibility that bin Laden and his operatives were planning to hijack several U.S. commercial airliners. Now even some of Bush's most ardent supporters are beginning to ask: "What did Bush know and when did he know it?" An even more important question is "What did he do with that information and why didn't he tell the airlines?" View Quote View Quote |
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djk, I kinda figured that, but I had not seen any firm info to that effect, so I took the article in it's own context.
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That's PERSEC, not OPSEC. -AvengeR15
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Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
djk, I kinda figured that, but I had not seen any firm info to that effect, so I took the article in it's own context. View Quote |
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"Life is a comedy for those who think... and a tragedy for those who feel" Horace Walpole
"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!" Rorschach |
Just as Condoleeza Rice said in a one sentence reply, "the information was too general to be of any value". Ok, say you receive info that someone "might" be planning to hijack a plane...what are you going to be able to do with that? Not much IMO.
When? Where? Why? How many? What do they intend to do with the plane? What is their motive? Who is the hijackers? These are just a few of the many questions that would have to be answered to be of much use. The truth is we simply didn't know. This general info was passed along to the proper authorities. If anyone failed to act, it wasn't Bush...it was the FBI. But I can't blame them either based on what the democraps are spewing. And maybe the airlines did take extra precautions. But prior to 9/11 what would we have been looking for? Guns, knives and bombs...right? Who would have expected terrorists to commandeer a plane with box cutters and nail files? What we saw was a method never used before and that's why we missed it. It is easy to see a picture when a jigsaw puzzle is already put together and sitting out on display isn't it? But when looking at all the pieces, it isn't always so clear. Hindsight is and always has been 20/20. I say we need to move away from this blame game and work to prevent the next one.
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"Faced with the murderous cutthroats of the Taliban, we are not fighting under the rules of Geneva IV Article 4. We are fighting under the rules of Article .223/5.56mm."
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"But prior to 9/11 what would we have been looking for? Guns, knives and bombs...right? Who would have expected terrorists to commandeer a plane with box cutters and nail files?"
uh...it's been done many times before with NO weapon, whatsoever...just threats of violence.
"What we saw was a method never used before and that's why we missed"
not exactly. a previous attempt to crash an airliner into the eiffel towel was thwarted by good security, as was a plot to hijack/crash one here in america. (was it 1992 by a demented man...pittsburgh? been too long)
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Let's see...
Government...Hey FAA, watch out for possible Middle Eastern men hijacking your aircraft!
Faa...Rodger that. We will increase security and be a little more vigilant of Middle Eastern men...
The American and non-American arabs....yo are using racial profiling to discriminate against Arabs!! We have retained the ACLU and all other spineless make-a-quick-buck, i-have-nothing-better-todo-than-file-baseless-lawsuits lawywers and are gonna sue you!!
News...the American avation industry has been bankrupted by lawyers!!
Not what really happened, but it was and is still a possibility. How many Arab people are given closer scrutiny since 9/11? No as many as needed, and there is actually a whole lot of reason to use profiling. Tehy want to bither with women who have large breasts, and Medal Of Honor recieptients, but let's not offend Arabs.
Teh airlines have known something like this could happen, and should have been prepared. They should have lobbied against the ban of guns on flights back in the '70's.
Has any other group of people hihjacked or blown up any airlines, other than arabs?
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
If anyone failed to act, it wasn't Bush...it was the FBI. View Quote |
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Here is what I was thinking of.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/events/newsnight/newsid_1645000/1645527.stm[/url]
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Originally Posted By Hydguy:
Let's see...
Government...Hey FAA, watch out for possible Middle Eastern men hijacking your aircraft!
Faa...Rodger that. We will increase security and be a little more vigilant of Middle Eastern men...
The American and non-American arabs....yo are using racial profiling to discriminate against Arabs!! We have retained the ACLU and all other spineless make-a-quick-buck, i-have-nothing-better-todo-than-file-baseless-lawsuits lawywers and are gonna sue you!!
News...the American avation industry has been bankrupted by lawyers!!
Not what really happened, but it was and is still a possibility. How many Arab people are given closer scrutiny since 9/11? No as many as needed, and there is actually a whole lot of reason to use profiling. They want to bother with women who have large breasts, and Medal Of Honor recieptients, but let's not offend Arabs.
Teh airlines have known something like this could happen, and should have been prepared. They should have lobbied against the ban of guns on flights back in the '70's.
Has any other group of people hihjacked or blown up any airlines, other than arabs?
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It's easy to be a Monday night quarterback.
It's taken nine months for the Demonrats to take this out of context and to start the spin machines. They chose this very moment with [i]scientific study[/i] to allow the controversy to spin up just prior to the mid-term elections. Not too close to the bombing and not too far from the elections for the truth to come out.
Taken out of context - there are DOZENS of credible threats received every stinking day. This country would be reduced to a military complex with border checks, travel papers, mandatory ID cards (uniforms), random searches of homes, cars, and churches ... the cost of living in this free society is the tragic deaths we suffered in New York, Ohio, and the Pentagon.
We have not taken the attacks on our people, our buildings, our very way of life sitting down. We have killed hundreds and possibly thousands of the countrymen who visited this upon us. We must do this. We must send a clear message to those who hate our freedom that they will suffer terribly and long.
To a man here we must let the democrats leading this that this is unacceptable behavior upon their parts. Using this for pure political gain, they know that the intellegence people have thousands of cases that they're working at any one time, they know of the warnings from the 1999 period, they know that there's no way in hell that our President could have done anything more, they know that the airlines were given warnings... yet they continue to spin the ingorant into blaming George Bush for the attack... like blaming the gun rather than the felon.
Same old shit different day.
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Senator Fineswine [:D],
I find it shocking and appalling that you are leading the attack upon the President with the “what did he know and when did he know it line”? Using the terrorist attack for political gain is completely unacceptable and reprehensible on your part. As a member of the Intelligence Committee you know that the knowledge of the attack goes clear back 1999 and that our intelligence community is working on thousands of potential cases at any one time. If a Homeland Security had been set up last year would it have prevented the 9-11 attack? Don't play that game.
If you wish to blame someone and discover answers look to that intelligence community which has had its funding cut over the last few years. But there is no political gain in a legitimate investigation now is there? Stop playing the blame game ma’am.
Paul Claxton
Riverside, CA
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