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Posted: 7/25/2013 9:58:30 PM EDT
Wow... Just wow...
 Just imagine the lives lost by his cowardice.
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:02:38 PM EDT
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he was very good at building up the size and discipline of the AOTP. He was very good at garrison, so good, that he was reluctant to actually use his army..he didn't want to lose guys. Also, he had his eye on the presidency, and knew if the war dragged on without victory he could beat lincoln.
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:04:59 PM EDT
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he was very good at building up the size and discipline of the AOTP. He was very good at garrison, so good, that he was reluctant to actually use his army..he didn't want to lose guys. Also, he had his eye on the presidency, and knew if the war dragged on without victory he could beat lincoln. Lincoln should have fired him after Richmond, and not brought him back. Then the Union could have nearly ended the war in Maryland. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:07:03 PM EDT
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Strangely enough, Robert E Lee considered McClellan his most difficult adversary ever... who knows why.. I guess since he didn't fight Lee thought he was hard to predict. Antietam being the biggest battle McClellan and Lee had against one another.
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:09:44 PM EDT
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My personal opinion is that McClellan was very popular with the troops and Lincoln didn't really have a good alternative for awhile..
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:12:36 PM EDT
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McClellan was an excellent garrison commander and great at building up an Army. He was horrible in the field.
Very, very few are great at all the of the things needed to run and fight a military. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:13:52 PM EDT
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McClellan was an excellent garrison commander and great at building up an Army. He was horrible in the field. Very, very few are great at all the of the things needed to run and fight a military. Rommel was a better division commander than army commander. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:29:05 PM EDT
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Rommel was a better division commander than army commander. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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McClellan was an excellent garrison commander and great at building up an Army. He was horrible in the field. Very, very few are great at all the of the things needed to run and fight a military. Rommel was a better division commander than army commander. Agreed. He went to far trying to take all Africa and his defense of the western coast was a joke. ---------------------------------------------------- In McClellan case, if he had been willing to just keep bullheadedly rushing Lee like Grant did, McClellan probably would have won and then become President. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:58:00 PM EDT
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Agreed. He went to far trying to take all Africa and his defense of the western coast was a joke. ---------------------------------------------------- In McClellan case, if he had been willing to just keep bullheadedly rushing Lee like Grant did, McClellan probably would have won and then become President. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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McClellan was an excellent garrison commander and great at building up an Army. He was horrible in the field. Very, very few are great at all the of the things needed to run and fight a military. Rommel was a better division commander than army commander. Agreed. He went to far trying to take all Africa and his defense of the western coast was a joke. ---------------------------------------------------- In McClellan case, if he had been willing to just keep bullheadedly rushing Lee like Grant did, McClellan probably would have won and then become President. Rommel barely had 6 months before D Day to prepare for the invasion and was unable to get the number of troops he felt necessary in the right places.Had the 2 SS Panzer divisions been placed close enough to immediately counterattack immediately, the landings may have gone considerably differently. Furthermore,you are assigning strategic failures to him.He could only do what he was ordered,with what he was given. Had Mussolini not so badly fumbled the Balkans and North Africa I honestly believe Rommel would be in history books just the same but for his exploits in Russia. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:09:03 PM EDT
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Rommel barely had 6 months before D Day to prepare for the invasion and was unable to get the number of troops he felt necessary in the right places.Had the 2 SS Panzer divisions been placed close enough to immediately counterattack immediately, the landings may have gone considerably differently. Furthermore,you are assigning strategic failures to him.He could only do what he was ordered,with what he was given. Had Mussolini not so badly fumbled the Balkans and North Africa I honestly believe Rommel would be in history books just the same but for his exploits in Russia. OT: if Rommel had used all that bunker concrete for improved roads and mobile bridges, the Allied invasion never would have gotten of the beaches. Every attempt to establish a beachhead would have gotten bottled up and hammered on the sand. |
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:56:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: McClellan was an excellent garrison commander and great at building up an Army. He was horrible in the field. Very, very few are great at all the of the things needed to run and fight a military. He turned the AOTP into a good fighting force. He just sucked at using them in the field. And he hated losing men. Tried to avoid it too much.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:03:19 AM EDT
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I'm about a third of the way though Atkinson's latest and wondering if anyone else sees parallels between McClellan and Montgomery? Both seemed to be better suited to building and motivating an Army than employing one, more comfortable with the set piece battle than one of maneuver.
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