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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:05:10 PM EST
Why does the general population along with LEO make such a big deal out of prostitution? In many other countries it is regulated and the city or state or province gets taxes form it. Why not do a simular thing here in the states? Anyone care to elaborate? Im not really concerned with the moral aspect or ethical reasoning, I am looking for another answer besides the obvious? What say the Arfers?
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:06:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2007 9:07:28 PM EST by Mattl]
Christian bigeots/hypocrites(probably the same people buying untold billions of $$ in porn) and far left wemons groups.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:10:11 PM EST
Same reason that drugs are illegal here. The moral police feel that if it was legal, the streets would flow with hookers and blow.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:11:16 PM EST
There is no federal law against prostitution.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:11:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2007 9:13:44 PM EST by the870isking]
There is absolutely nothing wrong with regulated prostitution.

ETA: In fact, it may prevent suicide, rape, and associated violent crimes.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:12:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By the870isking:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with regulated prostitution.


Yes. That's called dating.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:13:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
There is no federal law against prostitution.


Wait till another state tries to legalize it. Correct me if I'm wrong only Nevada allows it currently.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:13:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2007 9:14:08 PM EST by mjmjr1312]
"You know America was founded by prudes right? They came to America to escape from all that hot European sex...."

EuroTrip

-Mike
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:14:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:14:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:

Originally Posted By the870isking:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with regulated prostitution.


Yes. That's called dating.



Yep when she's paid she leaves.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:14:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:

Yes. That's called dating.


No shit, right?
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:15:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
There is no federal law against prostitution.


Wait till another state tries to legalize it. Correct me if I'm wrong only Nevada allows it currently.


I believe so.

Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:18:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
There is no federal law against prostitution.


Wait till another state tries to legalize it. Correct me if I'm wrong only Nevada allows it currently.


I believe so.




The Feds will want a cut if its legal all around and when they don't get it raids will happen, just like legal pot suppliers in Cali.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:23:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2007 9:23:31 PM EST by Chairborne]
Just the ordinary puritanical bible thumping stupidity. Never mind that it still goes on in every town, village, and city in the country. The morons would rather have it undercover and illegal than regulated and legal.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:24:03 PM EST
How do I stand on prostitution?



I don't stand on it! I lay on it!
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:25:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
There is no federal law against prostitution.


Wait till another state tries to legalize it. Correct me if I'm wrong only Nevada allows it currently.


I believe so.




The Feds will want a cut if its legal all around and when they don't get it raids will happen, just like legal pot suppliers in Cali.


not at all like that.

Marijuana is illegal at the federal level.

Prostitution is purely a state issue, the federal govt. has shown no interest one way or another.

Of course, if legalization started to spread, some groups would no doubt call for a federal ban.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:25:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
There is no federal law against prostitution.


Wait till another state tries to legalize it. Correct me if I'm wrong only Nevada allows it currently.


I believe so.




The Feds will want a cut if its legal all around and when they don't get it raids will happen, just like legal pot suppliers in Cali.


Small problem with that theory

MJ is illegal at the federal level...

Prostitution is not...

There was even one case where the Feds ended up owning a legal NV brothel that was seized in a racketeering case...

Prostitution is a perfect example of a state/community-values issue... The Feds are not involved in it being illegal - it's just that almost every state has kept it that way....
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:25:28 PM EST
IMO, its not a good idea to normalize this as some sort a job choice, to impressionable teenage girls.

Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:25:56 PM EST
Why is it the hookers in Vancouver, BC look like they stepped out of the pages of Playboy and / or Maxim, but the hookers they catch on Cops are 45 year-old toothless hags hopped-up on meth?
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:25:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chairborne:
Just the ordinary puritanical bible thumping stupidity. Never mind that it still goes on in every town, village, and city in the country. The morons would rather have it undercover and illegal than regulated and legal.


I don't even support taxation aside from standard income taxes as for regulations brothels can be held liable so they would take steps to protect thier girls and customers.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:27:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By 4xDawn:
IMO, its not a good idea to normalize this as some sort a job choice, to impressionable teenage girls.



I don't know, but hooking seems like a better alternative than impressionable teenage girls growing up to be just like Paris, Britney, Lindsey or Nicole.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:29:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By JS98010:
Why is it the hookers in Vancouver, BC look like they stepped out of the pages of Playboy and / or Maxim, but the hookers they catch on Cops are 45 year-old toothless hags hopped-up on meth?


I suspect prostitution is legal in Canada? That might be a large part of it if so. Illegal hookers (streetwalkers)are for the most parts life failures at the end of thier own rope with no other real option.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:29:15 PM EST
Legalize prostitution. After all, you're paying for it regardless of whether it's direct or not. May as well regulate and tax it.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:30:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By JS98010:
Why is it the hookers in Vancouver, BC look like they stepped out of the pages of Playboy and / or Maxim, but the hookers they catch on Cops are 45 year-old toothless hags hopped-up on meth?


I suspect prostitution is legal in Canada? That might be a large part of it if so. Illegal hookers (streetwalkers)are for the most parts life failures at the end of thier own rope with no other real option.


Streetwalkers OK in BC.
Brothels No-Go in BC.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:30:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
There is no federal law against prostitution.


Wait till another state tries to legalize it. Correct me if I'm wrong only Nevada allows it currently.


I believe so.




The Feds will want a cut if its legal all around and when they don't get it raids will happen, just like legal pot suppliers in Cali.


Small problem with that theory

MJ is illegal at the federal level...

Prostitution is not...

There was even one case where the Feds ended up owning a legal NV brothel that was seized in a racketeering case...

Prostitution is a perfect example of a state/community-values issue... The Feds are not involved in it being illegal - it's just that almost every state has kept it that way....



Well aware of that I meant to imply fed regulation would come at the federal level.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:30:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2007 9:30:57 PM EST by JS98010]
Delayed double-tap.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:31:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By JS98010:

Originally Posted By 4xDawn:
IMO, its not a good idea to normalize this as some sort a job choice, to impressionable teenage girls.



I don't know, but hooking seems like a better alternative than impressionable teenage girls growing up to be just like Paris, Britney, Lindsey or Nicole.



Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:34:12 PM EST
Well, basically it's the radical Christians that the Republicans have been in bed with for years. In my opinion they are no different than radical Muslims, hell, they were responsible for prohibition once upon a time. Just more people legislating their beliefs over my mine.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:39:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By JS98010:

Originally Posted By 4xDawn:
IMO, its not a good idea to normalize this as some sort a job choice, to impressionable teenage girls.



I don't know, but hooking seems like a better alternative than impressionable teenage girls growing up to be just like Paris, Britney, Lindsey or Nicole.


Acting like a 'ho, because of media influence, should give you some insight of how dumb teenagers can be.

Its really not a good idea to put this idea in the heads of young kids, wiho don't always think past tomorrow.

Getting bad grades? Who cares? I can be a hooker, and make the BIG bucks, and buy that cool VW Jetta!

"My parents yelled at me!! So, I think i'll move out and be a prostitute. I'm sure it pays more then being a hostess at Dennys,"

This thread is sad to me.



Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:42:32 PM EST
Quick question...

Who are these prostitutes?

Your daughter? a niece? A friends kid?
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:46:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By 4xDawn:
Quick question...

Who are these prostitutes?

Your daughter? a niece? A friends kid?


The only honest women I have ever known. They drop the pretense and we make a straight deal, she wants money, I want some loving, it works out for both parties. You know in countries that legalize prostitution (most of them in the world) you can't receive welfare if you are "able bodied" and can work as a prostitute? Just think of all those welfare moms cut from the rolls.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:46:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By 4xDawn:
Quick question...

Who are these prostitutes?

Your daughter? a niece? A friends kid?


Whoever decides to spread their legs for cash.

In other words, people whose choices we cannot control.

Besides. People's daughters, nieces, and friends' kids can already go practice prostitution now. With a limited subset of people, on film, for the consumption of all.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:52:29 PM EST
I think intrapping a lonely guy for picking up a walker is low even for the law ..

I dont see how it should be a crime , at most a fine in a prohibited area ..

" theres a sucker born a minute"
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:53:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By 4xDawn:
Quick question...

Who are these prostitutes?

Your daughter? a niece? A friends kid?


The only honest women I have ever known. They drop the pretense and we make a straight deal, she wants money, I want some loving, it works out for both parties. You know in countries that legalize prostitution (most of them in the world) you can't receive welfare if you are "able bodied" and can work as a prostitute? Just think of all those welfare moms cut from the rolls.


Women?

Most seem like teenagers, and are used up, and over the "prostitute" hill by 25.

You still want that 10 year pro, 10,000 guys in?

Its ok. I know I am on the losing side of this arguement here, and will bow out. But think about it. Its not like a job with any longevity, or security. How low does your self esteem have to be, to sleep with random guys night after night...

Sad.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 9:57:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By 4xDawn:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By 4xDawn:
Quick question...

Who are these prostitutes?

Your daughter? a niece? A friends kid?


The only honest women I have ever known. They drop the pretense and we make a straight deal, she wants money, I want some loving, it works out for both parties. You know in countries that legalize prostitution (most of them in the world) you can't receive welfare if you are "able bodied" and can work as a prostitute? Just think of all those welfare moms cut from the rolls.


Women?

Most seem like teenagers, and are used up, and over the "prostitute" hill by 25.

You still want that 10 year pro, 10,000 guys in?

Its ok. I know I am on the losing side of this arguement here, and will bow out. But think about it. Its not like a job with any longevity, or security. How low does your self esteem have to be, to sleep with random guys night after night...

Sad.


There are plenty of barflies/hos who sleep with just as many men, for much less payout. Trust me having known strippers, bar girls, and prostitutes the world over, there is absolutely no difference between any of them. Those same girls who are stripping in the US (legally) and turning tricks on the side (illegally) would be doing the same no matter where they are. Sorry you see it as sad, it's the world's oldest profession for a reason. Women will trade the one thing they have that men don't for all manner of reward, be they tangible or not.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:06:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By 4xDawn:
Quick question...

Who are these prostitutes?

Your daughter? a niece? A friends kid?



Thier choice to sell. Not a father but I hope when I am I will have done my job as a father sufficiently to where this option is off the table for her.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:10:48 PM EST


Stripper, hooker, same thing.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:21:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By JS98010:
Why is it the hookers in Vancouver, BC look like they stepped out of the pages of Playboy and / or Maxim, but the hookers they catch on Cops are 45 year-old toothless hags hopped-up on meth?


Go to the Down Town Eastside Neighborhood on East Hastings in Vancouver and report back to us on how hot all those Canadian hookers are.

Those truly attractive ones down on Seymour are also like $500/hour. They exist in the US as well, but are usually more intelligent and discreet than the average street walker.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:22:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By JS98010:
Brothels No-Go in BC.


Wrong answer.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 10:51:30 PM EST
Anyone who thinks Prostitution isn't already a career choice should keep that in mind the next time they see an ad in the paper of pretty much every college town in america that says " looking for models" or " work part time, $3000+ per week guarenteed"

Every woman is sitting on a gold mine.I was a driver for an "escort agency" for three + years. Most of the girls were 18-25,some however were 30-40.All of them made at least 10,000 every two weeks, (3 - 8hour shifts per week). Keep in mind the agency kept 20%. 30% on credit card deals. And as thier driver/security they were required to pay me $40 an hour or 10 % of thier tips whichever was greater.

Sound like a dream job? Have you ever been married to 30 women? (If your smart your not doing any of them,cause they'de rather give up the poon than part with thier money) So yes, 30 sexless marriages.
Link Posted: 10/10/2007 11:09:43 PM EST
I was in Erie Canada last April and the stripclubs/whorehouses were the best I had been to.
They had a bunch of 19 yo eastern European and Russian girls that were 9+ on the hotness scales.

The prices were about the same as here in Texas, but the service was way superior.

Legalize prostitution like in Germany and Holland !
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 2:45:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mattl:

Originally Posted By JS98010:
Why is it the hookers in Vancouver, BC look like they stepped out of the pages of Playboy and / or Maxim, but the hookers they catch on Cops are 45 year-old toothless hags hopped-up on meth?


I suspect prostitution is legal in Canada? That might be a large part of it if so. Illegal hookers (streetwalkers)are for the most parts life failures at the end of thier own rope with no other real option.



Dunno bout that.... the ones in the casinos here in Windsor look like they have their acts together.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 3:11:09 AM EST
It doesn't seem to be hurting Reno.

I'm against ALL victimless "crime" for what its worth.

Personal choices. Do with them what you will.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 3:13:15 AM EST
even without prostitution, people get all kinds of nasty diseases just through dating.

putting people in the mix who are paid to have sex with thousands of people
makes it exponentially worse.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 3:42:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 3:48:43 AM EST by twl]
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 3:42:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 3:45:02 AM EST by 444]
"IMO, its not a good idea to normalize this as some sort a job choice, to impressionable teenage girls. "

It already is a job choice. Legal Nevada borthels are hiring all the time. You don't have to live here, you work for a couple weeks and then go back to where ever you want to. Come back when you want or need more money.
Life is full of choices. Some good, some bad, some depend on your own personal point of view whether they are bad or good. Having the government pass a law making something illegal is not going to protect anyone from it. It just give the government more power.

A lot of these questions are posted on the internet as if we can only speculate on what the outcome would be. In reality we are doing some of these things here in Nevada and already know what the outcome IS. In this case the outcome is a nothing. The world didn't come to an end and more than it does because we can legally bet on a football game.

The subject of disease always comes up.
You meet a girl at a club. You take her home. You have no idea if she has an STD or not. You don't know if she banged six guys in the parking lot already this evening. You don't know if she works as a call girl as a profession and is just out partying tonight. You don't even know for sure it is a woman until you get her undressed. At a legal brothel you KNOW that the woman has been tested for STDs prior to entering the brothel. You know she is required to exercise protection during sex. You know that she can't leave the brothel without going through the testing proceedure again.
Yet, the subject of disease continues to surface in every one of these threads.

This is another of the many subjects that people are facinated with solely because it is illegal. Like drugs, if the government stayed out of it, the facination would be gone. If you read the book "On Killing" there is a lot of good information on this whole subject: about how people are facinated with things that are forbidden and things that are taboo.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:28:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 4:34:21 AM EST by red65]

Originally Posted By Gator96:
Well, basically it's the radical Christians that the Republicans have been in bed with for years. In my opinion they are no different than radical Muslims, hell, they were responsible for prohibition once upon a time. Just more people legislating their beliefs over my mine.


The Christian-bashers on ARFCOM are so full of crap it's amazing.

If you had a daughter, there is no way in hell that you would want or even allow her to become a prostitute.

If you did let your daughter become a prostitute, or you did not care, then I feel sorry for you. That would be trruly pathetic.

I hope the USA never becomes such a sewer that prositution is considered a normal career option.


This isn't holier-than-thou moralizing, it's just common sense. Nobody reading this thread would want a daughter who is a whore. Why? because in the real world, it sucks (pun intended).

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:41:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Christian bigeots/hypocrites(probably the same people buying untold billions of $$ in porn) and far left wemons groups.



Maybe someday you'll get lucky and have a daughter who is a prostitute. (Teach her to spell!)

Then you can proudly boast to your friends (non-Christians of course!) that your daughter is making a fine living sucking dicks at the local truck stop.

I'm sure everyone would be impressed.

"Hmmmm... that's great! Sounds like everything is working out well for your daughter!"
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:49:25 AM EST
I always here the feminist screaming 'it's my body' so why don't they openly advocate prostitution?? After-all, it is their body.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 5:07:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mattl:
<snip>
Correct me if I'm wrong only Nevada allows it currently.


From WikiPedia: Nevada is one of only two U.S. states that allow some legal prostitution; in most of its counties, brothels are legalized and heavily regulated. In Rhode Island, the act of sex for money is not illegal, but street solicitation and operation of a brothel are.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 5:10:50 AM EST
No government anywhere has any right telling 2 consenting adults what they can do behind closed bedroom doors.

Find a chick at a bar bring her home and bang her. 100% legal. Put 1$ on the coffee table for her and suddenly it is illegal.

Some chicks don't HAVE fathers. Some chicks with fathers bang as many guys as Ho's they just don't get anything for it.

There are also different classes of the biz. The washed out street walkers are the lowest on the totem pole. Then you have escorts and higher priced call girls. The desperate, and broke go to the street walkers. People with more taste and money get escorts. You can pick up a cheap POS .25 raven for little money on the street or you can go into the gun store and buy a real nice bush master.

Guys use these services for a variety of reasons. Maybe they love their wife but she doesn't put out. After awhile your right hand looses its appeal. Better to do your biz than have an affair with your secretary.

Or maybe they want to try something different.

Or maybe the wife is bi and they both want some fun with no drama. Go pick up a chick in a bar or online and you have to deal with a host of issues. Pay for a service and she leaves.

Or maybe a guy just wants to get laid but doesn't have the time or interest in a relationship. Or he just wants sex and is honest and doesn't play the stupid dating game well.

Or maybe he has been burned by an ex wife and just wants the chick to go home when she's done.

The big thing for lots of guys is they just want the girl to leave. Many are tired of dealing with the drama and when she is done they leave. He wants sex she wants money. It is a service like any other. Your mechanic works on your car because you pay him. Not because you are a smooth operator have a nice car or took him out to dinner.

Women have been doing it from the dawn of time and will until humanity is gone.

The people who rail the hardest against it are usually also the biggest 2 faced liars. People love to say well if it were your daughter you would feel different. Well Pops your little princess has already done most of the football team, but she wasn't smart enough to get anything but a bad reputation out of it. Fact is chicks bang guys. Better for her to if she wants to charge for it be safe and clean as possible. Where it is legal it is safer for all involved. Keep it legal and any girl who values her business asset will take care of it. If she is hot tight and clean and STD free she can charge allot more.

Many chicks do it to pay their tuition. It is a temp thing and may be the only way they can afford to go through school. Then she gets caught in a sting and gets a criminal charge for prostitution. Now with her record she can't get a good real job and is forced to continue hooking. Wouldn't it be better if she safely could do her biz, get her degree and go on to get a real job? Or is it justice that she is now fucked for life. Because of a stupid law. Then 5 years later she is on the street turning tricks and is all washed up.

Is it a good profession? Who the fuck are you to tell another person who they can or can not bone?

This is one of the things that holier than thou Christians really piss me off on. (No offense meant ot non holier than thou types and I HAVE met a few o those )Its about freedom people even freedom to do things you may not approve of. This is a case of using government power to enforce religious values and it is wrong.

All women sell their bodies for what they want. Some charge cash others use it to get what they want. If you know that if you cook dinner and clean up the house after your wife has a long day then run her a bath you are getting laid. If sex was not on the table you probably would not bother. She just sold her self for a meal, some child care and a bath. Others just want cash. How many of you guys do extra, or do special things for your wife because you want some pie? Is this wrong, hell no. It all comes down to trading time and resources for pie.
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