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Posted: 1/20/2013 8:54:45 AM EDT
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You mean, all those years I worked for the city, I could have worked for the FDNY in another state? Damn!
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Posted: 1/20/2013 8:58:28 AM EDT
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Despite what GD thinks, sometimes people just can't pick up and leave?
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:01:22 AM EDT
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I want to leave, but I need to find a job in a free state first. I'm looking at Virginia or Texas right now but still need to find a job. NY is too expensive, restrictive, and cold.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:01:42 AM EDT
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I have elderly parents. It's not possible now.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:01:51 AM EDT
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Despite what GD thinks, sometimes people just can't pick up and leave? Our ancestors fled Europe. That was quite a feat, many of them dying from disease in route--and they knew the odds. They arrived here with little more than the shirts on their backs and a suitcase that held all their worldly possessions. Some of my ancestors worked in the shops. Some went on to be homesteaders. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:02:31 AM EDT
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I hope they stay...and more move there.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:06:04 AM EDT
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friends, family, night life, 4 seasons, work, living by the water, spent entire life here already... etc etc
its a shame that the politics and taxes make me sick to my stomach |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:06:30 AM EDT
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because i was born here, my family is here, and I can't afford to leave yet. My girlfriend is finishing college and i've yet to get set in my career after college.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:06:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Despite what GD thinks, sometimes people just can't pick up and leave? Our ancestors fled Europe. That was quite a feat, many of them dying from disease in route--and they knew the odds. They arrived here with little more than the shirts on their backs and a suitcase that held all their worldly possessions. Some of my ancestors worked in the shops. Some went on to be homesteaders. When my Grandparents left Ireland, they had exactly shit to keep them there. No land, no jobs, nothing. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:07:38 AM EDT
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Despite what GD thinks, sometimes people just can't pick up and leave? This |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:08:20 AM EDT
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Because eventually there is no place left to retreat to.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:14:50 AM EDT
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Despite what GD thinks, sometimes people just can't pick up and leave? Our ancestors fled Europe. That was quite a feat, many of them dying from disease in route--and they knew the odds. They arrived here with little more than the shirts on their backs and a suitcase that held all their worldly possessions. Some of my ancestors worked in the shops. Some went on to be homesteaders. When my Grandparents left Ireland, they had exactly shit to keep them there. No land, no jobs, nothing. Not so, they had their lives. This is what they endured just by boarding the boats... http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/coffin-ships.html ETA: Compare and contrast with renting a UHaul to get the fuck out of NY. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:15:07 AM EDT
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Because there is more to life that evil black rifles like families, careers, real estate payments, businesses ...
Shocking I know but some of us people have families that like us and we like them, and we don't live in their basements. Leaving behind family isn't easy. Some people have careers and have invested decades working for a company. Leaving a five figure salary and abandoning a million dollar pension is a lot to own a black rifle. Often people will own their home rather than just live in someone's basement. Parents will leave real estate to the next generation. Families will live in the same home or farm the same plot of land for generation after generation. The land could be sold but you would sell the family legacy for a black rifle? Successful people, you know those evil people that the liberals so hate, will own businesses with storefronts, factories, dozens/hundreds of employed with talents, skills and abilities, supply sources, unique things that can't be put into the back of a moving truck without killing them. And finally sometimes running from a fight isn't the right thing to do. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:19:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Despite what GD thinks, sometimes people just can't pick up and leave? Our ancestors fled Europe. That was quite a feat, many of them dying from disease in route--and they knew the odds. They arrived here with little more than the shirts on their backs and a suitcase that held all their worldly possessions. Some of my ancestors worked in the shops. Some went on to be homesteaders. When my Grandparents left Ireland, they had exactly shit to keep them there. No land, no jobs, nothing. Not so, they had their lives. This is what they endured just by boarding the boats... http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/coffin-ships.html ETA: Compare and contrast with renting a UHaul to get the fuck out of NY. Uhhh yeah the Coffin Ships were a little prior to 1915-1921 time period, relatives already in the States paid their passage over. ETA: Comparing the Famines to the current political situation in NY?
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:23:12 AM EDT
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Despite what GD thinks, sometimes people just can't pick up and leave? Our ancestors fled Europe. That was quite a feat, many of them dying from disease in route--and they knew the odds. They arrived here with little more than the shirts on their backs and a suitcase that held all their worldly possessions. Some of my ancestors worked in the shops. Some went on to be homesteaders. When my Grandparents left Ireland, they had exactly shit to keep them there. No land, no jobs, nothing. Not so, they had their lives. This is what they endured just by boarding the boats... http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/coffin-ships.html ETA: Compare and contrast with renting a UHaul to get the fuck out of NY. Uhhh yeah the Coffin Ships were a little prior to 1915-1921 time period, relatives already in the States paid their passage over. Yeah, my family came in 1913 from Ireland...From what I remember from talking to my Great Grandmother it was a little different then that
But honestly, the GET THE FUCK OUT OF NEW YORK is getting old. It's really not that easy. Obviously it is something that will be a long term goal, it's really not simple to just pack up, leave and find a new house/job, etc. Im shooting for PA. Or somewhere more south, so I can ride my motorcycle year round, lol |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:24:53 AM EDT
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All my family is here.
My wifes job is here. The house we bought is here. We have plans to move out of state some day, not right now though. Also, I live right in the middle of some of the largest chunks of stateland in the north east. Even though I don't own any land, I can use thousands and thousands of acres. It is too bad the state is run by idiots, because the land here is great and the hunting is fantastic for almost every species. When we move access to state land is going to be a key decision, I can't afford a huge tract of my own land, and probably never will. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:25:35 AM EDT
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Because there is more to life that evil black rifles like families, careers, real estate payments, businesses ... Shocking I know but some of us people have families that like us and we like them, and we don't live in their basements. Leaving behind family isn't easy. Some people have careers and have invested decades working for a company. Leaving a five figure salary and abandoning a million dollar pension is a lot to own a black rifle. Often people will own their home rather than just live in someone's basement. Parents will leave real estate to the next generation. Families will live in the same home or farm the same plot of land for generation after generation. The land could be sold but you would sell the family legacy for a black rifle? Successful people, you know those evil people that the liberals so hate, will own businesses with storefronts, factories, dozens/hundreds of employed with talents, skills and abilities, supply sources, unique things that can't be put into the back of a moving truck without killing them. And finally sometimes running from a fight isn't the right thing to do. You love money more than freedom. I get it. It's sickening, but I get it. Now here's what downright hilarious... The people you've allowed to take control of your lives are destroying the state (and national) economies. What happens when all the freedom you've sacrificed is for naught because the economic security the tyrants promised has been eliminated? What recourse do you have? None. You will what they tell you to do. And if they tell you that you must sell that family land to pay a death tax (essentially forfeiture) so gov can fund reckless spending and social programs, you will do it. If they seize your precious businesses in the process of centralizing the means of production, you'll let them. Of course they'll let you keep a meager portion for your trouble. At the core of this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what value those black rifles really are. They are not just pieces of metal with some plastic. They are not only worth what the tag says in the gun shop. Our black rifle keep us free, they keep our government honest, and the ultimately protect our lives and family. I couldn't begin to put a price tag on that--guess you can. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:25:49 AM EDT
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Folks from blue states don't want to come here. Nothing to see here, move along.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:27:38 AM EDT
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Despite what GD thinks, sometimes people just can't pick up and leave? Our ancestors fled Europe. That was quite a feat, many of them dying from disease in route--and they knew the odds. They arrived here with little more than the shirts on their backs and a suitcase that held all their worldly possessions. Some of my ancestors worked in the shops. Some went on to be homesteaders. When my Grandparents left Ireland, they had exactly shit to keep them there. No land, no jobs, nothing. Not so, they had their lives. This is what they endured just by boarding the boats... http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/coffin-ships.html ETA: Compare and contrast with renting a UHaul to get the fuck out of NY. Uhhh yeah the Coffin Ships were a little prior to 1915-1921 time period, relatives already in the States paid their passage over. ETA: Comparing the Famines to the current political situation in NY? That is what my ancestors went through--and the bulk of the Irish immigrants did as well. No, contrasting what immigrants went through to be free compared to what NYers refuse to do. Apprently everything has to be spelled out for you. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:30:14 AM EDT
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Let's see, the job I do is being done in Florida and South Carolina. I think I'll go for South Carolina.
Bilster PS Fuck Obama Fuck Biden Fuck Holder Fuck Cuomo |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:31:07 AM EDT
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I have elderly parents. It's not possible now. This. Not only this, but my girlfriend also has parents that need her help. Otherwise I think she would come with me. I really like firearms. I would also like lower taxes. However, I have my family, friends, my job, all here. To quit my job, sell my house, leave everyone that I know, just to be able to load more than seven rounds in a magazine does not make much sense to me. Maybe in a few years though. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:32:29 AM EDT
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Took me years, but was able to find a position that they moved me into. Escaped PRNJ and have a different life. When it became known outside the circle of friends/family, most told me they wished they could do it as well. They had jobs that they had equity in.
I think understand both sides of this, and there really isn't a good answer either way. But it bears noticing that it generally isn't just EBR's. It's a culture, the creeping nanny state, corruption etc. Not that it doesn't exist everywhere, in the cities around here you see it. But generally people let people be where I am now. They don't have recycling nazis checking my trash, I am not constantly threatened with fines for noncompliance with some stupid feel good regulation. just my 0.02 |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:33:42 AM EDT
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It's their turn. I am hoping enough do not run for the hills.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:35:05 AM EDT
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At this point it comes down to who really wants to be a free citizen or who wants to be a subject of the state. After a few years we will know who is truely our friend and who is our foe when TSHTF.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:38:37 AM EDT
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Because there is more to life that evil black rifles like families, careers, real estate payments, businesses ... Shocking I know but some of us people have families that like us and we like them, and we don't live in their basements. Leaving behind family isn't easy. Some people have careers and have invested decades working for a company. Leaving a five figure salary and abandoning a million dollar pension is a lot to own a black rifle. Often people will own their home rather than just live in someone's basement. Parents will leave real estate to the next generation. Families will live in the same home or farm the same plot of land for generation after generation. The land could be sold but you would sell the family legacy for a black rifle? Successful people, you know those evil people that the liberals so hate, will own businesses with storefronts, factories, dozens/hundreds of employed with talents, skills and abilities, supply sources, unique things that can't be put into the back of a moving truck without killing them. And finally sometimes running from a fight isn't the right thing to do. Well said sir, (No homo) |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:38:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: It's their turn. I am hoping enough do not run for the hills. http://www.lsjunction.com/images/alamo.jpg But yet, thats what everyone here advocates. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:43:27 AM EDT
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I love the Adirondacks, its where I grew up, my family not only lives here but has deep roots. The same lake where my dad taught me to fish, me and my sister played in the sand..is also the location of the first US naval battle in history. And the foothills, fields and mountains where the brits were stopped by a rag tag militia and sent back..During the cold war it was the only location east of the Mississippi with nuclear ICBM's, nuclear armed B-47s and fighters poised to defend the entire country.
Even though those days are gone, there is more to NY than the cities and liberal DOUCHEBAGS who want the whole state to be their fucking socialist utopia..there is a lot left to fight for. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:48:45 AM EDT
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Because there is more to life that evil black rifles like families, careers, real estate payments, businesses ... Shocking I know but some of us people have families that like us and we like them, and we don't live in their basements. Leaving behind family isn't easy. Some people have careers and have invested decades working for a company. Leaving a five figure salary and abandoning a million dollar pension is a lot to own a black rifle. Often people will own their home rather than just live in someone's basement. Parents will leave real estate to the next generation. Families will live in the same home or farm the same plot of land for generation after generation. The land could be sold but you would sell the family legacy for a black rifle? Successful people, you know those evil people that the liberals so hate, will own businesses with storefronts, factories, dozens/hundreds of employed with talents, skills and abilities, supply sources, unique things that can't be put into the back of a moving truck without killing them. And finally sometimes running from a fight isn't the right thing to do. You love money more than freedom. I get it. It's sickening, but I get it. Now here's what downright hilarious... The people you've allowed to take control of your lives are destroying the state (and national) economies. What happens when all the freedom you've sacrificed is for naught because the economic security the tyrants promised has been eliminated? What recourse do you have? None. You will what they tell you to do. And if they tell you that you must sell that family land to pay a death tax (essentially forfeiture) so gov can fund reckless spending and social programs, you will do it. If they seize your precious businesses in the process of centralizing the means of production, you'll let them. Of course they'll let you keep a meager portion for your trouble. At the core of this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what value those black rifles really are. They are not just pieces of metal with some plastic. They are not only worth what the tag says in the gun shop. Our black rifle keep us free, they keep our government honest, and the ultimately protect our lives and family. I couldn't begin to put a price tag on that--guess you can.  how old are you boy?
the best reason i still live in illinois.... my soon to be 78 year old mother. im supposed to abandon her so i can keep my firearms? should i tell mom she has to sell the house she has lived in for 57 years so i can keep my firearms? are you really going to tell me tell me what price tag i should put on my mothers happiness and well being? sorry son but long ago i manned up to be the best son i can be for the mother to whom i owe everything. don't worry i'll pick up your check and keep fighting the good 2a fight as long as im here. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:49:06 AM EDT
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I suggest all you people who say leave NY come to upstate NY and see how it is more rural and red than many of the places you are living.
For all you people saying to run away, is that what you would do? Run? Or you would you see if there was a chance to turn things around? To fight the laws first in the courts? The map of the ENTIRE U.S. is not getting more red, it is getting more blue and everyone is one mass shooter psycho from a world of shit. Public opinion has turned all over this country and the sheep are growing in numbers. Everyone is in this together and it is shocking to see how many fellow gun owners seem to think only about their tiny world when we need to be the UNITED States. Go over to the NY board and you will see the gun owners who truly give a shit - guys giving away things they think people in NY might need, guys offering to call and write, guys offering to send money to NY gun groups, and guys offering to store weapons until things become clearer. We need more guys like that. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:51:38 AM EDT
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the best reason i still live in illinois.... my soon to be 78 year old mother. im supposed to abandon her so i can keep my firearms? should i tell mom she has to sell the house she has lived in for 57 years so i can keep my firearms? are you really going to tell me tell me what price tag i should put on my mothers happiness and well being? sorry son but long ago i manned up to be the best son i can be for the mother to whom i owe everything. don't worry i'll pick up your check and keep fighting the good 2a fight as long as im here. Bravo sir, well said. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:52:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Despite what GD thinks, sometimes people just can't pick up and leave? Our ancestors fled Europe. That was quite a feat, many of them dying from disease in route--and they knew the odds. They arrived here with little more than the shirts on their backs and a suitcase that held all their worldly possessions. Some of my ancestors worked in the shops. Some went on to be homesteaders. When my Grandparents left Ireland, they had exactly shit to keep them there. No land, no jobs, nothing. Not so, they had their lives. This is what they endured just by boarding the boats... http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/coffin-ships.html ETA: Compare and contrast with renting a UHaul to get the fuck out of NY. Uhhh yeah the Coffin Ships were a little prior to 1915-1921 time period, relatives already in the States paid their passage over. ETA: Comparing the Famines to the current political situation in NY? That is what my ancestors went through--and the bulk of the Irish immigrants did as well. No, contrasting what immigrants went through to be free compared to what NYers refuse to do. Apprently everything has to be spelled out for you. Ahhhhhh the famines, Ahhh the Coffin Ships, Ahhh the Lord Lieutenant and the percentages, Potatoes only potatoes and perhaps a wee bit of soda bread and weak tea once a day, Laddy. Would you like to dub a sound track of Fields of Athenrye to that pontificating, Paddy? Oh were the nearest AoH hall not 80 miles away I'd pop over for a further missive of the Troubles and Strife that beset poor Eire and her sons, from Strongbow to Present and weep into my pint when they play Foggy Dew. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:55:55 AM EDT
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This is a serious question for our members out there. Jobs doing exactly what you are doing now exist outside of your state. I tried, they wouldn't hire me.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:57:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: I have elderly parents. It's not possible now. Send them to FL, it's what everyone else does. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:01:27 AM EDT
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This is a serious question for our members out there. Jobs doing exactly what you are doing now exist outside of your state. Your family members can come visit you in another state. Why give up your liberty to stay in such a place when your liberty is taken your take dollars are going to be used to support such looting? No bashing, but a serious question. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1426105_For_Those_of_You_from_States_With_Heavy_Restrictions__NY__IL__CA__CT__etc_____.html DUPE |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:03:22 AM EDT
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I want to leave, but I need to find a job in a free state first. I'm looking at Virginia or Texas right now but still need to find a job. NY is too expensive, restrictive, and cold. same here, looking at PA and TX but looking to find a job first. i have on good lead in PA and i should know by Monday if i got a chance at it |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:05:42 AM EDT
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AGNTFSA !
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:07:09 AM EDT
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My family's blood and sweat has soaked into the soil here since the 1690s. That's why. And my damn custody arrangement with my ex-wife.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:08:04 AM EDT
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I suggest all you people who say leave NY come to upstate NY and see how it is more rural and red than many of the places you are living. For all you people saying to run away, is that what you would do? Run? Or you would you see if there was a chance to turn things around? To fight the laws first in the courts? The map of the ENTIRE U.S. is not getting more red, it is getting more blue and everyone is one mass shooter psycho from a world of shit. Public opinion has turned all over this country and the sheep are growing in numbers. Everyone is in this together and it is shocking to see how many fellow gun owners seem to think only about their tiny world when we need to be the UNITED States. Go over to the NY board and you will see the gun owners who truly give a shit - guys giving away things they think people in NY might need, guys offering to call and write, guys offering to send money to NY gun groups, and guys offering to store weapons until things become clearer. We need more guys like that. Two thumbs up. It amazes me how many people here in CO are making comments like "Shit, glad we aren't in NY"... uh guys, we're next. We have a shitbird governor and both houses controlled by liberals. It's not a matter of if it goes down here, but when. Good luck to all those behind the curtain in NY, and pray for the health of the SCOTUS. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:09:11 AM EDT
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My family did it, though NY isn't as bad yet. We escaped from a prison and fled across the Mekong River with AK47's firing on us, into Thailand .. then onto the US. If you gotta go, you gotta go.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:13:24 AM EDT
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I packed up and hauled ass in 1979 no reason to ever go back. People in the rest of the country have no idea how bad living up there is, If someone wanted to give the U.S. an enema they would stick it in NYC.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:18:28 AM EDT
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Could have worked for any major city I wanted as a paramedic with a military firefighter background: Chicago, San Fran, NYC, Boston, etc. all the departments that are out there "getting it" every shift within my career field. But honesty, it came down to the quality of life. I did not want to give up freedom and my country lifestyle for just a job. Commute an hour to hour and half now, but it's worth it.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:21:07 AM EDT
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This.
Don't give up the ship, take it back. By any means necessary. 
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:26:56 AM EDT
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It is hard to take it all back as you guys claim. My parents live in California, which I miss dearly. I wish I could go back, but I prefer my Liberty.
My point is that I truely believe that we are not going to have a "going back" or a return to Liberty at all. Best go where it is now and preserve it there. Seeing the Gov of New York in that latest clip only solidifies my thoughts on it...not to mention the millions of NYC'ers that agree with him that Liberty is an outdated and archaic concept. Can't beat em, leave em and let THEM feed the beast, not you. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:30:28 AM EDT
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Despite what GD thinks, sometimes people just can't pick up and leave? It is far easier said than done I still will have My son, and his future wife here (and her family so hard for them to just move) Then someday we will have Grandchildren we would like to see more than once a year. And even though I'm willing to leave I need a new Job, a new place to live, and the money to move. I moved south to take care of my Dad, then Back to NY (for job etc) so that really killed us financially We are just now starting to recover. As much as I really want to move (partly due to health reasons) we are pretty much stuck here until I can get enough money built up to move again. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:31:44 AM EDT
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[snip] You love money more than freedom. I get it. It's sickening, but I get it. Now here's what downright hilarious... The people you've allowed to take control of your lives are destroying the state (and national) economies. What happens when all the freedom you've sacrificed is for naught because the economic security the tyrants promised has been eliminated? What recourse do you have? None. You will what they tell you to do. And if they tell you that you must sell that family land to pay a death tax (essentially forfeiture) so gov can fund reckless spending and social programs, you will do it. If they seize your precious businesses in the process of centralizing the means of production, you'll let them. Of course they'll let you keep a meager portion for your trouble. At the core of this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what value those black rifles really are. They are not just pieces of metal with some plastic. They are not only worth what the tag says in the gun shop. Our black rifle keep us free, they keep our government honest, and the ultimately protect our lives and family. I couldn't begin to put a price tag on that--guess you can. how old are you boy?
the best reason i still live in illinois.... my soon to be 78 year old mother. im supposed to abandon her so i can keep my firearms? should i tell mom she has to sell the house she has lived in for 57 years so i can keep my firearms? are you really going to tell me tell me what price tag i should put on my mothers happiness and well being? sorry son but long ago i manned up to be the best son i can be for the mother to whom i owe everything. don't worry i'll pick up your check and keep fighting the good 2a fight as long as im here. Old enough to know history. Do you have any idea what others have given up for freedom? (that's called a rhetorical question because you won't face the reality of it) Your mommy huh? Well what happens when her home is taken or she is denied access to healthcare? What do you think happens to the weakest in societies with economies collapse. YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE. You aren't fighting shit. Spare me your platitudes. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:41:43 AM EDT
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When do you stop running? Cumo is a political hack.all these guys are .you have to remember they are temporary occupant s of their office.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:49:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: [snip] You love money more than freedom. I get it. It's sickening, but I get it. Now here's what downright hilarious... The people you've allowed to take control of your lives are destroying the state (and national) economies. What happens when all the freedom you've sacrificed is for naught because the economic security the tyrants promised has been eliminated? What recourse do you have? None. You will what they tell you to do. And if they tell you that you must sell that family land to pay a death tax (essentially forfeiture) so gov can fund reckless spending and social programs, you will do it. If they seize your precious businesses in the process of centralizing the means of production, you'll let them. Of course they'll let you keep a meager portion for your trouble. At the core of this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what value those black rifles really are. They are not just pieces of metal with some plastic. They are not only worth what the tag says in the gun shop. Our black rifle keep us free, they keep our government honest, and the ultimately protect our lives and family. I couldn't begin to put a price tag on that--guess you can. how old are you boy?the best reason i still live in illinois.... my soon to be 78 year old mother. im supposed to abandon her so i can keep my firearms? should i tell mom she has to sell the house she has lived in for 57 years so i can keep my firearms? are you really going to tell me tell me what price tag i should put on my mothers happiness and well being? sorry son but long ago i manned up to be the best son i can be for the mother to whom i owe everything. don't worry i'll pick up your check and keep fighting the good 2a fight as long as im here. Old enough to know history. Do you have any idea what others have given up for freedom? (that's called a rhetorical question because you won't face the reality of it) Your mommy huh? Well what happens when her home is taken or she is denied access to healthcare? What do you think happens to the weakest in societies with economies collapse. YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE. You aren't fighting shit. Spare me your platitudes. So standing your ground isn't fighting, but retreating is? It's for each individual to chose his battle and how he fights. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:59:47 AM EDT
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This is a serious question for our members out there. Jobs doing exactly what you are doing now exist outside of your state. Your family members can come visit you in another state. Why give up your liberty to stay in such a place when your liberty is taken your take dollars are going to be used to support such looting? No bashing, but a serious question. most don't have a reason to leave.... Do a poll and see how many GD people actually own firearms, let alone the bad evil New York super destroyer guns, and narrow that poll down to the percentage of New Yorkers on this board that actually own them.... I'd bet the percentage of non-firearm owners is higher than the firearm owners. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:04:47 AM EDT
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Cuomo is a political hack. All these guys are . You have to remember they are temporary occupants of their office. And the next guy will be as bad or worse. You can't outvote the NYC residents and the other dems here. Even when we did look what it got us, Pataki. 
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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:07:28 AM EDT
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[snip] So standing your ground isn't fighting, but retreating is? It's for each individual to chose his battle and how he fights. The folks in ban states aren't standing their ground, they are complying. A good "stand your ground" effort would be public refusal of non-compliance (not saying "OPSEC" and hiding) or a refusal to pay taxes to de-fund the Cuomo regime. Folks love their money and pensions more than their freedom. Like I said to Paul above, this doesn't end at disarmament--they are coming for everything including your money. Each of these ban states is on the brink of bankruptcy--think that's just a coincidence? Your pension doesn't mean shit when there are people in your state going hungry--you have means, they have needs. Your aren't helping your elders either because the weakest will be hit the hardest. |
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