I have evangelical friends who tell me that they can't vote for Trump because of things like morality, previously being a liberal, not able to trust him, etc. Not so much on policy. But they want to "vote their conscience." It seems to be the Right's way of saying 'feelz.'

What would you tell those people who say this? How do you convince them there are bigger issues at stake than who is the most moral candidate? I'm not arguing that we should abandon morality, but at this point, these are the choices it came down to.

(I'm an introvert, and really suck at voicing my opinion, but I want to improve and consider this important. Also, I'm not trying to lose friends, but if they bring it up, and many have, I consider it fair game.)

Tell them the other option is FHRC and ask who is worse. We are stuck with yet another giant douche or turd sandwich just like every other election.

Vote for the one not going to force your church to host gay marriages, pay for abortions, and sick the IRS on you if you write a blog condemning her.

let them know Hillery thanks them for all the help in overturning roe v wade. she couldn't have done it with out their support against Trump.

Anyone that tells me they won't vote for Trump, for whatever reason, I just shrug it off.  It's their business.

I just don't want to hear those same people bitch if Hillary wins and makes their life hell.

My 96yo grandmother, who is very Godly and very wise will be voting for Trump.  She says there are plenty of examples in the bible where God has used non-christian people to do good works.   That's good enough for me.

You are stuck with a cravenly criminal politicians who is hated by everyone who has regular contact with her, or a rich guy who says what he thinks and has had little concern for who does not like it most of his adult life. Bonus he will not quit.

From talking to them, when I bring up the likelihood of Clinton getting elected, not voting for Trump is still the right and moral approach.

I don't understand.

This is exactly what you need to do. Supreme Court, Supreme Court, Supreme Court.

That is something they can understand. We can not have FHRC nominating SC justices. The Senate will be to willing to rubber stamp some really bad decisions.
If we can even just prevent that for the next four years, it will be a victory for all of us.

You could show them this. Milo

Vote SMART, not by feels
SCOTUS will be the end of us

There is nothing to understand, they are just dumb.

Mormon here. Voting your conscience by not voting for Trump is hypocrisy. Considering pornography accounts for more internet traffic than netflix, Amazon, and Twitter combined.

Quite simply Hillary will select the supreme court so hate speech laws will be found constitutional.

Next will be that the condemning homosexuality(*) in church will get you arrested....
Quote the nasty bits of the Koran to expose that fucktard of a religion for what it is and you get arrested here on hate speech charges.....

Even if they don't like Trump they can be pretty sure he not the type to start meddeling in their church, Hillary on the other hand will.  

 





(*)Don't believe in sky fairies and don't hate gays in any way but hate speech laws are evil.

 

Because Trump may be a jerk, but Killary is PURE EVIL

I've noticed that evangelicals tend to be quite out of touch in regards to this election. "Jesus is the only thing that matters" seems to be the default fallback position.

I have spent a lot of time thinking about this.  The morality to be honest isn't the hardest part for me.  See, when people say that they can't vote for Trump because he is an adulterer, lies etc..they are saying he is human.  Who have you ever voted for that doesn't sin in some way or another?  If you hold the standard that they must be sinless, there is only one person who ever fit that bill, and He isn't American.  

My problem is that to accept the current cantidate is to show the Republican Party that I accept the values and person that they put forward, even if lots of them don't.  He is far from my ideal cantidate, and to be honest, I'm not sure he stands for most of what they claim he does.  However I am sure that Clinton stands for what she claims and more.  

I want a party that stands strong and firm to their beliefs and agrees with mine.

Can we resurrect Coolidge?

How is Hillary morally superior to Trump?  It's one or the other.  

Evangelicals typically vote for whoever panders to them the most, then that person gets caught in a motel with a gay hooker and a crackpipe.

Either DT or HRC are going to be president next year, I think the choice is rather clear.

^ this.

"I'll just have to leave it in gods hands..."

yeah, cause that always works out well.

because hillary is a fucking cunt

Evangelicals are negatively affected by the USA's insane open borders policies, just like every other citizen.

because Communism will not allow them to practice their faith.  Nothing is greater than the State.

does "voting ones concsience" entail voting for someone with no conscience and a pile of bodies and rape victims in her wake?

cause I'm not sure it does...

Under HRC, there will be forced acceptance of Gay weddings in their church.

That usually does the trick.

There's that, too. Some subsets of evangelicals may not be terribly fond of Roman Catholics, but the Clinton camp's plans to destroy the Roman Catholic church in the US should give evangelicals some concern... the commies' hatred of religious also extends to evangelicals.

Morality?
So... they're going to vote for the woman who helped her husband get away with rape?  Because the other candidate says icky things?

I'm reminded of a bible passage... i forget which one, but it's about 2 sons.  One son says he's going to help his father and the other basically says, "Hell no."  The first son does nothing and the rude son actually helps his father.  ... Basically the idea about actions being more important than what you say.

Sounds like they're putting more value on how nicely a candidate talks vs how that candidate actually acts.

Well, Donald Trump's personal life doesn't reflect one who is trying to walk with God.
And, if you look at Bill Clinton's life, he was living a life of adultery, and Democrats, liberal or left-wing people supported Bill Clinton.

So, what I see this is that a Republican president is going to support conservative issues, regardless of personal life problems, and a Democratic president is going to support liberal issues, regardless of personal life problems. That is to say, Bill Clinton went about pushing the Democratic agenda during his presidency although he was doing things wrong in his personal life.
So knowing what we know about Hillary Clinton's agendas that she supports and that Democrats support, she's going to do them and she might not even lie during her entire presidency. I do not agree with her political views and wont' be supporting her. She wants hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees to come into the US on the US dime. I don't support that, and nothing about that issue hinges on whether she lied about e-mails and stuff. Donald Trump pushes an agenda to stop bringing in refugees from countries where there is a credible threat of bringing in extremist terrorists. His personal past incidents, like his Access Hollywood talk and Miss America changing room visits, isn't going to change his stance on what steps the US needs to do to improve security for US citizens in the US.

And bringing in Syrian refugees into the US is just one issue.
2nd Amendment is another.
Mexican wall.
Military.
Foreign affairs.
Really, every President is not a jack-of-all trades are relies on subject matter experts like the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Obama has maintained the strict rules governing the use of cell phones. Great. He uses what is given to him. Hillary Clinton is someone who I see that would use a personal Apple iPhone that is not approved by the White House technical staff to transmit classified information via voice or text or even just have it on her person that could deter security.

Obama has been in the office for 8 years and if those "on-the-bubble" evangelical friends are happy with the direction he has taken the country, then they shouldn't expect anything different if they vote for Hillary.

Amen

Yes, and yes if their conscience is informed.  If not, they should study what a witch Hillary is and inform their conscience.

If they vote their conscience they will not vote at all. Just like the rest of the country, they have to look at the least of the evils if they intend to vote

Because the Clinton campaign mocks Catholics, Evangelicals, Southerners, and "needy Latinos."  If that doesn't have you covered, the elitist bitch probably has you in the "basket of deplorables and irredeemables."  

Trump is a sinner, she is EVIL    

One can be guided by one's conscience... or one can be an absolutist about it.

Evangelicals tend to be absolutists -- the world is either black or white.

People are dumb.

And Evangelicals who think voting Hillary is better than voting Trump are really dumb.

And voting for anyone else is worthless. It won't do shit, it won't make a point, it won't mean a thing...

Unless you otherwise would vote Hillary...then its brilliant!

This article explains how some are justifying not voting.


"If I support Trump, I lose my ability to effectively speak biblical truth to a lost and dying world."

ETA it's very sad the can't see the forest due to the tree in their face.

http://theblazingcenter.com/2016/10/why-im-willing-to-waste-my-vote.html

Pretty sure you'd have to go back as far as Jackson. Maybe not that far but farther than Coolidge. 1913 was the absolute end of any chance of federal politicians not being corrupt, especially the pres.

Romans 3:23 states: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

As I view it Trump sinned and he repented, who am I to dredge up and hold it against him.


So to all those So Called Christians who can't vote for him because he sinned


Matthew 7:1-2
Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others,
you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.


Should we also hold all their past sins against them?

Does god reward those who do not sow to reap the benefits of the harvest?

God didn't tell the Jews to sit and wait only on his providence when facing their mortal enemies. Jesus didn't tell his disciples to sit back and that god would handle the money changers and the Romans. The bible says god rewards those who do for themselves in addition to having faith in him. Easy living ended when Eve ate the apple.

If you think the rapture will save everything I can't help you there.

I guess it is not just an election, it is an IQ test.

Where do you read that he repented?  This is a side note question...I hadn't heard that

Our Christian family is having a prayer meeting before the election to ask for God's intervention in this election to stop hillary. We have two choices and whether or not we agree with Trump on everything, hillary and her legacy will make America increasingly hostile towards Christians. America is one of the few places on earth Christians can worship without fear of persecution. We are truly in the fight of our lives, this is our last peaceful attempt to preserve anything for our children .

I can see no reason why any christian should vote for the devil.

I am especially disappointed in the Mormon church this year LDS view is god wants free agency & the devil wants none , you get no choice guaranteed salvation for all is the Mormon devil's plan while the church itself is not endorsing Romney & Utah appear to be pro Hillary. and that saddens me greatly.

If they knew all the facts, their conscience would have them vote Trump.

No rational person would vote for Hillary if they knew what MSM is failing to report.

Because Hillary will sell out and destroy the country.

Boy, that was easy.

Ignore them. They're just virtue signaling. On election day, they'll vote for their own self interest just like most people do.

If I recall he apologized right in the last debate for some of what he said;
some may say he is insincere but whom of us truly can see into his heart.

Personally I have had more then my fair share of shortcomings,
I'm certainly not without sin and therefore not in the position to judge him.

BTW: A whole lot of so called Christians don't act like Christians.
It if that's what being a Christian is I would not want to be one either.

Trump is a Man, plain and simple, he's not perfect and I don't believe he ever claimed to be.
Sadly a whole lot of so called Christians, talk the talk but do not walk the walk.
Many of them act like they are more holy than God himself, (I'm sure most know the type).



A little reminder to the Believers

Early in the morning He went back into the temple courts. All the people came to Him, and He sat down to teach them.
And the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before them and said,
“Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such a woman. So what do You say?”

They said this to test Him, in order to have a basis for accusing Him. But Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with His finger.

When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, “Whoever is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her.”
And again He bent down and wrote on the ground.  When they heard this,a they began to go away one by one, beginning with the older ones, until only
Jesus was left, with the woman standing there.



Do you wonder what Jesus was writing on the ground?

Ask them (anyone who is on the fence on who to vote for) to listen to all of this podcast

understanding the times

Can the Clintons be saved? that's up to to them and forgiveness from God. currently they are not Godly people and her actions are against God and US.

Is Trump a saint? no, but is is openly prolife and has a moral compass.

Please pray and vote for Trump.

I don't believe most evangicals have a problem with Trump, other than the globalist Mormons.

Trump had the highest evangelical support in the primary than any other candidate in recent history IIRC.