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Posted: 3/9/2010 7:27:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2010 7:32:21 PM EDT by leadnbrass]
Lots of handguns have decent capacity with 12+ rounds of 9mm, .40, .45 etc.

Why isn't a decent .22 out that could hold 20 plus rounds...I figure that you could fit a shit ton of .22's inside a high capacity double stack magazine.

ETA: I'm talking about a magazine that fits in the grip.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:29:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2010 7:33:23 PM EDT by Jason280]
The problem is the rim.

Look at all the high capacity .22 LR mags, they are single stack curved mags.  Even the majority of the 10rd pistol mags are angled to overcome the rim, except the Ruger mags, which are pretty thick (but are limited to 10 rounds).
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:29:42 PM EDT



Originally Posted By Jason280:


The problem is the rim...


Ja!



 
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:29:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By leadnbrass:
Lots of handguns have decent capacity 12+ rounds of 9mm, .40, .45 etc.

Why isn't a decent .22 out that could hold 20 plus rounds...I figure that you could fit a shit ton of .22's inside a high capacity double stack magazine.


The new Kel-Tec pistol has a capacity of 30 .22 mags, if they could do the same with .22LR it would be great.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:30:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CoreyR:
Originally Posted By leadnbrass:
Lots of handguns have decent capacity 12+ rounds of 9mm, .40, .45 etc.

Why isn't a decent .22 out that could hold 20 plus rounds...I figure that you could fit a shit ton of .22's inside a high capacity double stack magazine.


The new Kel-Tec pistol has a capacity of 30 .22 mags, if they could do the same with .22LR it would be great.


That gun is what gave me this brainstorm.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:31:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:33:43 PM EDT
Rimmed cartridges are a bitch to stack, which is why .22 mags are curved, or rotary, or slanted at an angle.


Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:34:20 PM EDT

The new Kel-Tec pistol has a capacity of 30 .22 mags, if they could do the same with .22LR it would be great


If they can do it with the Mag, then its possible with the LR...
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:36:17 PM EDT
I don't think the rim has anything to do with it. I think it's just that nobody that has the ability to bring one to market wants to do that. KT is supposed to be bringing the new pistol out in 22LR later, so hopefully we'll get one.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:38:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GuySDS:
That has always annoyed me, they could at the least do a 15 rounder.


Magnym Research had the Mountain Eagle that held 15.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:39:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2010 7:40:08 PM EDT by Jason280]
I don't think the rim has anything to do with it


No, the rim has everything to do with it...

Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:41:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aptrgangr:
I don't think the rim has anything to do with it. I think it's just that nobody that has the ability to bring one to market wants to do that.


And one of the reasons for that is the rim. The rim complicates making a reliable product, especially one that doesn't have significant curvature to the magazine. The added difficulty pushes the idea into the "not worth it" category most of the time.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:42:24 PM EDT
Sure about that? The Bren did just fine with the rimmed .303.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:49:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2010 7:52:37 PM EDT by K2QB3]
It's the rim, and probably the fact that the rim is the ignition source.

Designing a pistol that functioned with a high cap magazine would be one thing, making it safe, as in lawsuit-proof, might be another.

What would be cool is an inexpensive .22 cal straightwalled rimless centerfire with .22mag case capacity. Probably doable.

I would like a hicap pistol in .30carbine, I've got big hands anyway.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:49:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2010 7:49:42 PM EDT by Jason280]
Sure about that? The Bren did just fine with the rimmed .303


Once again, you are ignoring the fact that its a curved extended magazine.  Please explain to me how you are going to fit said magazine into a pistol grip...
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:52:29 PM EDT
Is the new one from KT curved? If so, the same way they did. If not, then it obviously doesn't have to be curved.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:54:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/9/2010 7:59:22 PM EDT by AJ_Dual]
Originally Posted By Jason280:

The new Kel-Tec pistol has a capacity of 30 .22 mags, if they could do the same with .22LR it would be great


If they can do it with the Mag, then its possible with the LR...


It's easier with the .22 magnum, the longer round, the shallower the compound angle between the rounds, the curve is less severe.

However, word is on the KTOG board that Kel-Tec does have tentative plans for a .22LR version sooner or later, if sales, tooling, production all pans out etc. The reason being, 15 rounds is just barely do-able in a straight magazine without a curve, and the PLR-30 and the earlier Grendel P-30 used a magazine with a ridge down the centerline that separates the two 15-round columns to minimize rim tangling etc.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:56:48 PM EDT
How would you feel about a pistol with an AM180 style magazine?  A small 20 or 25 round mag that kept the gun light and balanced?
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:58:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By leadnbrass:
Originally Posted By CoreyR:
Originally Posted By leadnbrass:
Lots of handguns have decent capacity 12+ rounds of 9mm, .40, .45 etc.

Why isn't a decent .22 out that could hold 20 plus rounds...I figure that you could fit a shit ton of .22's inside a high capacity double stack magazine.


The new Kel-Tec pistol has a capacity of 30 .22 mags, if they could do the same with .22LR it would be great.


That gun is what gave me this brainstorm.


Wow!  I had that same thought when I saw the Keltec.  I prefer .22 LR over .22 mag any day of the week.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 7:58:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aptrgangr:
I don't think the rim has anything to do with it. I think it's just that nobody that has the ability to bring one to market wants to do that. KT is supposed to be bringing the new pistol out in 22LR later, so hopefully we'll get one.


The rim has everything to do with it.

Originally Posted By Aptrgangr:
Sure about that? The Bren did just fine with the rimmed .303.


...Which used curved magazines.

Think harder next time before posting.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 8:01:45 PM EDT




tec-22
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 10:44:31 PM EDT
the mountain eagle i gave my son has a 15rnd mag
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 11:08:18 PM EDT
Rimmed .303 cartridges don't have thier primers in the rim either.  Squish primer in mag = bad.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 11:14:18 PM EDT
Ruger Charger.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 11:19:28 PM EDT
Oh Yeah.  Calico M110 is the freaky 80's (still manufactured though) one with the helical tube magazines.  Holds a hundred rounds of 22.lr.
http://calicolightweaponsystems.com/home/index.php?page=22-2
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 11:23:57 PM EDT
Come to think of it, a Ruger Charger equipped with the Nordic Components AR22 kit (sans stock) would make a heck of a neat little range toy.



You'd have to devise some kind of sling swivel thing to install where the buffer tube normally does to make sure there's no NFA shaky ground, but it would be really cool.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 11:44:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HRomberg:
Oh Yeah.  Calico M110 is the freaky 80's (still manufactured though) one with the helical tube magazines.  Holds a hundred rounds of 22.lr.
http://calicolightweaponsystems.com/home/index.php?page=22-2


those are way cool.  too bad they cost so much
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