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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:02:30 AM EST
[#1]
Upon further review, Sylvan is an ass.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:04:18 AM EST
[#2]
You can thank Bill Alexander for fucking over his own brainchild.
It's a wonderful cartridge though. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:04:34 AM EST
[#3]
Didn't they have issues breaking bolts? Something about too much material being removed to accommodate the case?
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:05:04 AM EST
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You can thank Bill Alexander for fucking over his own brainchild. ?? |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:06:30 AM EST
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You can thank Bill Alexander for fucking over his own brainchild. ?? ^^ ?? |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:08:15 AM EST
[#6]
derp.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:09:23 AM EST
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When you threaten everyone else in the gun industry with lawsuits because they are trying to ream barrels for a new cartridge and then putting off SAAMI testing.............for years. He hamstrung it for years. That's why you have a few names for the same cartridge, because Bill Alexander is an asshole. Like 264. LBC is, essentially 6.5 Grendel. To the other guy, yes, it was having issues breaking bolts. Same issues with the 7.62x39 bolts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can thank Bill Alexander for fucking over his own brainchild. ?? When you threaten everyone else in the gun industry with lawsuits because they are trying to ream barrels for a new cartridge and then putting off SAAMI testing.............for years. He hamstrung it for years. That's why you have a few names for the same cartridge, because Bill Alexander is an asshole. Like 264. LBC is, essentially 6.5 Grendel. To the other guy, yes, it was having issues breaking bolts. Same issues with the 7.62x39 bolts. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:09:36 AM EST
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6.5 Grendel is a NERD
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:11:33 AM EST
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I really think it is because it hasn't been fully standardized yet. One company starts using terms like type I and type II bolts, others will call it 6.5 grendel and then use the modern 7.62x39 bolt variants, still others use the older colt 7.62x39 bolt style from the early 90's. This has made going towards 6.5 kind of intimidating to some people and left everything more confusing than it needs to be.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:12:57 AM EST
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I really think it is because it hasn't been fully standardized yet. One company starts using terms like type I and type II bolts, others will call it 6.5 grendel and then use the modern 7.62x39 bolt variants, still others use the older colt 7.62x39 bolt style from the early 90's. This has made going towards 6.5 kind of intimidating to some people and left everything more confusing than it needs to be. Thanks Bill Alexander! |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:13:59 AM EST
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Why do new cartridges seem to be designed largely by weird people with lousy business acumen and no people skills?
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:15:26 AM EST
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Why do new inventions seem to be designed largely by weird people with lousy business acumen and no people skills? |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:16:14 AM EST
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Bill Alexander has a patent on the cartridge and you basically have to jump through is hoops to get licensed to build barrels for it. Hence the low number of manufactures.
Le Baer came out with the .264LBC which from what I understand is the same thing as the 6.5 Grendel with a few minor tweeks to the case dimensions to get around the patent. From what I've read the two are close enough to be interchangeable. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:16:16 AM EST
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Why do new cartridges seem to be designed largely by weird people with lousy business acumen and no people skills? Most people only have one or the other. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:16:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do new cartridges seem to be designed largely by weird people with lousy business acumen and no people skills? |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:17:06 AM EST
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Why do new cartridges seem to be designed largely by weird people with lousy business acumen and no people skills? I think they prefer the term 'engineer' 
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:17:46 AM EST
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Because it sucks in an AR, maybe?
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:17:54 AM EST
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Why do new cartridges seem to be designed largely by weird people with lousy business acumen and no people skills? Nerds gonna nerd. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:18:36 AM EST
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I really think it is because it hasn't been fully standardized yet. One company starts using terms like type I and type II bolts, others will call it 6.5 grendel and then use the modern 7.62x39 bolt variants, still others use the older colt 7.62x39 bolt style from the early 90's. This has made going towards 6.5 kind of intimidating to some people and left everything more confusing than it needs to be. I have fought the urge to build one for months now, mainly because of the confusion you stated. I have built a few x39 uppers, but haven't gotten to the 6.5 yet. Ammo availability seems to be good now, too. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:19:08 AM EST
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Because it sucks in an AR, maybe? GTFO 
However, I wouldn't mind building a bolt gun with a detachable mag. 
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:19:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alexander is an ass. FPNI. Nothing at all wrong with it, but the guy who invented it seemed to WANT it to fail. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:19:50 AM EST
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Faxon won't do anything but group buys and BA hasn't been quick to market
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:20:02 AM EST
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Paging LRRPF52. Paging LRRPF52. Please pick up the nearest white courtesy phone in the lobby. Thank you.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:20:49 AM EST
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Because it sucks in an AR, maybe? Huh? Works great in mine. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:22:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Faxon won't do anything but group buys and BA hasn't been quick to market |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:24:27 AM EST
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I think Faxon will probably start offering them as regular items soon. As the market slows they'll have time to expand their product line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Faxon won't do anything but group buys and BA hasn't been quick to market Your lips to god's ear. The 6.5grendel forum 20" group buy is going NOWHERE 
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:24:29 AM EST
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I got in on the group buy for the 12" faxon. I'm really intrigued by a cartridge in a 12" barrel that is able to stay supersonic at close to 1000 yards.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:24:35 AM EST
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Because 6 point eight boyeeee
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:27:10 AM EST
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I think Faxon will probably start offering them as regular items soon. As the market slows they'll have time to expand their product line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Faxon won't do anything but group buys and BA hasn't been quick to market Mmm, yes please. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:30:55 AM EST
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Because 6 point eight boyeeee Kind of what I was thinking. The 6.8 sucked up all the oxygen in the room and there's a relatively small market for alternative calibers because 5.56 is so well established. I didn't know about the patent stuff with the inventor though. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:31:37 AM EST
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I've taken 4 deer so far with mine, I used a 18" BHW barrel on my build and am currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. I'm a fan of the cartridge.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:34:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:34:50 AM EST
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Because 6 point eight boyeeee Lol Yikes |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:35:10 AM EST
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Because it sucks in an AR, maybe? LOL....know how I know you don't own one. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:37:47 AM EST
[#35]
I've had three (still have two) and I've never had a problem finding barrels or bolts. It's the best AR cartridge by far IMO
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:38:22 AM EST
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I'm going to need 15 more people to go pay for some barrels. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Those guys legit? I'm serious. Educate me. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:41:59 AM EST
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Because it sucks in an AR, maybe? What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:43:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those guys legit? I'm serious. Educate me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Those guys legit? I'm serious. Educate me. Also, that group buy is a merger between theirs and one that was started here. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:47:17 AM EST
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Because 6 point eight boyeeee SPC or SPC II? My point being that it has issues too that have hurt its popularity. That said, I own one and really enjoy shooting it. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:48:06 AM EST
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Its popular enough.
There's steel case for poor people like me. Cabelas and academy sell hornady ammo locally. I have two an Odin Works and a Lilja with AA bolt. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:48:18 AM EST
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The 6.5 & 6.8 both fill the same niche. The 6.8 seems to be winning out even though the 6.5 may be a hair better. I suspect it will be a VHS/Betamax scenario and only one will survive.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:49:47 AM EST
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GTFO
However, I wouldn't mind building a bolt gun with a detachable mag. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because it sucks in an AR, maybe? GTFO
However, I wouldn't mind building a bolt gun with a detachable mag. Why build when you can buy? Or, use this as a base model? 
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:51:06 AM EST
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Why do new cartridges seem to be designed largely by weird people with lousy business acumen and no people skills? I think they prefer the term 'engineer' 
so true.... |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:53:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryYou can get the action from Brownells for under $400 and then get a stock from Boyds for about $100. Nice little bolt action for right around $500. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:57:31 AM EST
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In before LRRPF52.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:57:58 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Those guys legit? I'm serious. Educate me. From my experience, Yes. I got in on the 16" group buy and received it with no issues. edit - forgot to quote lichter50 |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:58:09 AM EST
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Alexander is an ass. this! Fuck AA! |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:58:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SPC or SPC II? My point being that it has issues too that have hurt its popularity. That said, I own one and really enjoy shooting it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because 6 point eight boyeeee SPC or SPC II? My point being that it has issues too that have hurt its popularity. That said, I own one and really enjoy shooting it. The 6.5 is gaining some steam. Ballistically in all honesty it is a better round. Realistically average joe will never know the difference. Some elite sniper will enter the thread and tell me about killing an elk at a 1000 yds with a 6.5. To which I say, how far did it run and do you really think AVERAGE joe can ethically do that. 6.8 is great inside 250-300. Most AVERAGE joes are living in that range. I own a 6.8 currently, having own both previously and simultaneously. I don't need a 6.5 as all the accessory stuff I owned was already 6.8(dies and such). |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:59:28 AM EST
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You can thank Bill Alexander for fucking over his own brainchild. ?? When you threaten everyone else in the gun industry with lawsuits because they are trying to ream barrels for a new cartridge and then putting off SAAMI testing.............for years. He hamstrung it for years. That's why you have a few names for the same cartridge, because Bill Alexander is an asshole. Like 264. LBC is, essentially 6.5 Grendel. To the other guy, yes, it was having issues breaking bolts. Same issues with the 7.62x39 bolts. add 6.5 PPC Imp to the list.. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:59:49 AM EST
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular?
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