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Posted: 11/23/2016 10:02:04 AM EDT
Official 6.5 Grendel learn and build thread.

Have at it boys!
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:02:30 AM EDT
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Upon further review, Sylvan is an ass.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:04:18 AM EDT
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You can thank Bill Alexander for fucking over his own brainchild.

It's a wonderful cartridge though.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:04:34 AM EDT
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Didn't they have issues breaking bolts?  Something about too much material being removed to accommodate the case?
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:05:04 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:08:15 AM EDT
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derp.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:09:23 AM EDT
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When you threaten everyone else in the gun industry with lawsuits because they are trying to ream barrels for a new cartridge and then putting off SAAMI testing.............for years.

He hamstrung it for years. That's why you have a few names for the same cartridge, because Bill Alexander is an asshole. Like 264. LBC is, essentially 6.5 Grendel.

To the other guy, yes, it was having issues breaking bolts. Same issues with the 7.62x39 bolts.
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When you threaten everyone else in the gun industry with lawsuits because they are trying to ream barrels for a new cartridge and then putting off SAAMI testing.............for years.

He hamstrung it for years. That's why you have a few names for the same cartridge, because Bill Alexander is an asshole. Like 264. LBC is, essentially 6.5 Grendel.

To the other guy, yes, it was having issues breaking bolts. Same issues with the 7.62x39 bolts.

Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:09:36 AM EDT
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6.5 Grendel is a NERD
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:11:33 AM EDT
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I really think it is because it hasn't been fully standardized yet. One company starts using terms like type I and type II bolts, others will call it 6.5 grendel and then use the modern 7.62x39 bolt variants, still others use the older colt 7.62x39 bolt style from the early 90's. This has made going towards 6.5 kind of intimidating to some people and left everything more confusing than it needs to be.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:12:57 AM EDT
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I really think it is because it hasn't been fully standardized yet. One company starts using terms like type I and type II bolts, others will call it 6.5 grendel and then use the modern 7.62x39 bolt variants, still others use the older colt 7.62x39 bolt style from the early 90's. This has made going towards 6.5 kind of intimidating to some people and left everything more confusing than it needs to be.
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Thanks Bill Alexander!
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:13:59 AM EDT
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Why do new cartridges seem to be designed largely by weird people with lousy business acumen and no people skills?

Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:15:26 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:16:14 AM EDT
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Bill Alexander has a patent on the cartridge and you basically have to jump through is hoops to get licensed to build barrels for it. Hence the low number of manufactures.

Le Baer came out with the .264LBC which from what I understand is the same thing as the 6.5 Grendel with a few minor tweeks to the case dimensions to get around the patent. From what I've read the two are close enough to be interchangeable.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:16:16 AM EDT
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Most people only have one or the other.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:16:25 AM EDT
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You just described a large majority of gun owners, that's why.



 
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I think they prefer the term 'engineer'
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:17:46 AM EDT
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Because it sucks in an AR, maybe?
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:17:54 AM EDT
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Nerds gonna nerd.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:18:36 AM EDT
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I really think it is because it hasn't been fully standardized yet. One company starts using terms like type I and type II bolts, others will call it 6.5 grendel and then use the modern 7.62x39 bolt variants, still others use the older colt 7.62x39 bolt style from the early 90's. This has made going towards 6.5 kind of intimidating to some people and left everything more confusing than it needs to be.
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I have fought the urge to build one for months now, mainly because of the confusion you stated.  I have built a few x39 uppers, but haven't gotten to the 6.5 yet.  Ammo availability seems to be good now, too.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:19:08 AM EDT
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GTFO


However, I wouldn't mind building a bolt gun with a detachable mag.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:19:32 AM EDT
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Alexander is an ass.



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FPNI.




Nothing at all wrong with it, but the guy who invented it seemed to WANT it to fail.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:19:50 AM EDT
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Faxon won't do anything but group buys and BA hasn't been quick to market

Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:20:02 AM EDT
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Paging LRRPF52. Paging LRRPF52. Please pick up the nearest white courtesy phone in the lobby. Thank you.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:20:49 AM EDT
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Huh?

Works great in mine.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:22:50 AM EDT
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I think Faxon will probably start offering them as regular items soon.  As the market slows they'll have time to expand their product line.



 
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:24:27 AM EDT
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Your lips to god's ear. The 6.5grendel forum 20" group buy is going NOWHERE
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:24:29 AM EDT
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I got in on the group buy for the 12" faxon. I'm really intrigued by a cartridge in a 12" barrel that is able to stay supersonic at close to 1000 yards.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:24:35 AM EDT
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Because 6 point eight boyeeee
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:27:10 AM EDT
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Mmm, yes please.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:30:55 AM EDT
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Kind of what I was thinking. The 6.8 sucked up all the oxygen in the room and there's a relatively small market for alternative calibers because 5.56 is so well established. I didn't know about the patent stuff with the inventor though.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:31:37 AM EDT
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I've taken 4 deer so far with mine, I used a 18" BHW barrel on my build and am currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. I'm a fan of the cartridge.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:34:37 AM EDT
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I'm going to need 15 more people to go pay for some barrels.



http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155



 
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:34:50 AM EDT
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Lol
Yikes
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:35:10 AM EDT
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LOL....know how I know you don't own one.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:37:47 AM EDT
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I've had three (still have two) and I've never had a problem finding barrels or bolts. It's the best AR cartridge by far IMO
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:38:22 AM EDT
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I'm going to need 15 more people to go pay for some barrels.

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155
 
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currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy.
I'm going to need 15 more people to go pay for some barrels.

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155
 


Those guys legit? I'm serious. Educate me.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:41:59 AM EDT
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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:43:53 AM EDT
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currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy.
I'm going to need 15 more people to go pay for some barrels.



http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155

 




Those guys legit? I'm serious. Educate me.
Personal experience, I hope so, I already sent him money.  From all reports I've seen, yes.  There are a few people on here that got in on the 16" group buy and from what they say everything went smoothly.  



Also, that group buy is a merger between theirs and one that was started here.



 
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:47:17 AM EDT
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SPC or SPC II?

My point being that it has issues too that have hurt its popularity.

That said, I own one and really enjoy shooting it.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:48:06 AM EDT
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Its popular enough.
There's steel case for poor people like me.
Cabelas and academy sell hornady ammo locally.

I have two an Odin Works and a Lilja with AA bolt.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:48:18 AM EDT
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The 6.5 & 6.8 both fill the same niche.  The 6.8 seems to be winning out even though the 6.5 may be a hair better.  I suspect it will be a VHS/Betamax scenario and only one will survive.
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:49:47 AM EDT
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GTFO


However, I wouldn't mind building a bolt gun with a detachable mag.
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However, I wouldn't mind building a bolt gun with a detachable mag.


Why build when you can buy? Or, use this as a base model?

Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:51:06 AM EDT
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I think they prefer the term 'engineer'




so true....
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:53:21 AM EDT
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You can get the action from Brownells for under $400 and then get a stock from Boyds for about $100.  Nice little bolt action for right around $500.



 
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:57:31 AM EDT
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I'm going to need 15 more people to go pay for some barrels.



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From my experience, Yes.  I got in on the 16" group buy and received it with no issues.      




edit - forgot to quote lichter50
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:58:09 AM EDT
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this! Fuck AA!
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:58:55 AM EDT
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SPC or SPC II?



My point being that it has issues too that have hurt its popularity.



That said, I own one and really enjoy shooting it.
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SPC or SPC II?



My point being that it has issues too that have hurt its popularity.



That said, I own one and really enjoy shooting it.
SPCII has been the deal for a few years.  Not sure anyone would or why they would make the SPC anymore. Remington screwed that up.  Just not as bad as Alexander did with 6.5.  



The 6.5 is gaining some steam.  Ballistically in all honesty it is a better round.  Realistically average joe will never know the difference.  Some elite sniper will enter the thread and tell me about killing an elk at a 1000 yds with a 6.5. To which I say, how far did it run and do you really think AVERAGE joe can ethically do that.




6.8 is great inside 250-300.  Most AVERAGE joes are living in that range.  I own a 6.8 currently, having own both previously and simultaneously.  I don't need a 6.5 as all the accessory stuff I owned was already 6.8(dies and such).
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When you threaten everyone else in the gun industry with lawsuits because they are trying to ream barrels for a new cartridge and then putting off SAAMI testing.............for years.

He hamstrung it for years. That's why you have a few names for the same cartridge, because Bill Alexander is an asshole. Like 264. LBC is, essentially 6.5 Grendel.

To the other guy, yes, it was having issues breaking bolts. Same issues with the 7.62x39 bolts.



add 6.5 PPC Imp to the list..
Link Posted: 11/23/2016 10:59:49 AM EDT
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular?
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