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Posted: 4/13/2006 7:56:28 PM EST


I mean, what's up this "doing work Americans won't do"? Why doesn't anyone call W on it? Are Americans lazy? Are the Mexican less lazy? If there work ethic is so great, why haven't they built anything significant in Mexico since the pyramids for human sacrifice? I was taught it was the protestant work ethic that made this country. Guess were in for the Catholic work ethic?

Just wondering.

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 7:57:43 PM EST
It's because they're more than happy to work their asses off for 12 hours for $2.50 an hour.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 7:59:59 PM EST
its not
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:01:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470:
It's because they're more than happy to work their asses off for 12 hours for $2.50 an hour.



Yep.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:01:51 PM EST
Who was doing the work before they got here?
An American was and making a good living doing it and did a better job.

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:02:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 8:03:32 PM EST by Painter]

Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:

I mean, what's up this "doing work Americans won't do"? Why doesn't anyone call W on it? Are Americans lazy? Are the Mexican less lazy? If there work ethic is so great, why haven't they built anything significant in Mexico since the pyramids for human sacrifice? I was taught it was the protestant work ethic that made this country. Guess were in for the Catholic work ethic?

Just wondering.




How did you just spin this into catholic vs. protestant?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:02:17 PM EST
desperation
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:02:19 PM EST
they're desperate. They'll do crap work for mediocre wages.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:02:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By NME:

Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470:
It's because they're more than happy to work their asses off for 12 hours for $2.50 an hour.



Yep.



You wont find any that work for $2.50/hr.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:03:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By double_wielder:

Originally Posted By NME:

Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470:
It's because they're more than happy to work their asses off for 12 hours for $2.50 an hour.



Yep.



You wont find any that work for $2.50/hr.



You can in Texas.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:05:43 PM EST
How can you equate willingness to work a menial, back-breaking job in America because of lack of opportunity in Mexico with work ethic? The term "work ethic" to me has more to do with the pride one takes in their work and a committment to excellence. I respectfully suggest that it is that work ethic that has made America the greatest country on the planet.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:06:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470:
It's because they're more than happy to work their asses off for 12 hours for $2.50 an hour.


And then leech off the rest of us via "social services" and "free health care" at the Emergency Room (just to name two: we won't get into costs for incarceration in our prisons) because the feudal lords that employ them, naturally, provide benefits commensurate with the whopping salaries they pay.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:08:24 PM EST
Give anybody 2-3 generations of American living and see if you really need to ask.

The Irish

The Italians

The Germans

The Blacks

...
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:09:19 PM EST
There are three answers:

1) the immigrents we get here, (legal and illegal) are above average in work ethic. They got off their ass and got here, and now they will work their ass off. We get the best that the world has to offer.

2) even the crappiest jobs here are still better then those found south of the border. Our liberal socialist policies allow them the ability to survive on low wages, and even sent money home.

3) American's are spoiled. We have irrational expectations.

I hate the runaway immigration problem as much as anybody. But those are the facts.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:09:58 PM EST
It's because a typical Mexican family consists of 20+ members.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:09:58 PM EST
Singly they work there asses off. Collectively, they will have official quoatas after which they dont produce more. When you outprduce them, they bitch and whine. They Never ever make scrap, at least not until they get caught. Then its multiple parts. Ive seen thousands of dollars of scrap parts. If they have gotten to the customers we would of lost those customers Doesnt matter if you fire them. When they get a new job they get a new name
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:10:54 PM EST
Cause they know what it's like go hungry.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:11:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 8:12:11 PM EST by thedoctors308]
Cause illegals dont have a choice.
If they don't work for those wages, the employers will just find other illegals who will do the work cheaper.
That is happening now BTW.
The old illegals are complaining the new illegals are stealing jobs because they work for cheaper.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:12:48 PM EST
I work in the automotive manufacturing industry. I'm here to tell ya, we have a hole shit load of them at our plant and 50%+ of them are lazy bastards (and dirty bastards I might add). Believe it or not, it's true in my plant.
On that note, I'm checking out.

Good night!!

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:16:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By BillofRights:
There are three answers:

1) <Snip> We get the best that the world has to offer. <Snip>




I need to take you to the neighborhood I used to live in after it got overrun by illegal aliens. Then we'd discuss the "best the world has to offer".
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:20:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:

I mean, what's up this "doing work Americans won't do"? Why doesn't anyone call W on it? Are Americans lazy? Are the Mexican less lazy? If there work ethic is so great, why haven't they built anything significant in Mexico since the pyramids for human sacrifice? I was taught it was the protestant work ethic that made this country. Guess were in for the Catholic work ethic?

Just wondering.




You sound off with BS and spout ignorant notions gained from God knows where.
Get a clue about life, do some farm labor for a summer, do some mason laboring, do something that puts you in the shoes of the one you look down your nose at then try to rationally figure out the fundamental differences between cultural ethics.
Get a clue about Aztec and Mayan culture.
Get a clue about Early American sociology and religion.
Go to school, then travel the world including Yucatan, Central America, Mexico, ect. before you speak to what they have or have not seen or done.

and....
No I am not Mexican or Spanish and I would be the first to say to hell with amnesty!
Yes when I was young I did all those laboring jobs listed above and worked with Mexicans
Yes I have studied Our country and its beginnings in college courses and on my own
Yes I have been to many places including the ones listed above


Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:23:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Painter:


How did you just spin this into catholic vs. protestant?



Google protestant work ethic.

Mexico is predominately Roman Catholic.

No slam of RC. While a protestant, I graduated from a RC college and while I disagree with their theology, I have no "beef" with RCs in general. More of a play on words. No offense intended.

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:29:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By GloryBigs:

Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:

I mean, what's up this "doing work Americans won't do"? Why doesn't anyone call W on it? Are Americans lazy? Are the Mexican less lazy? If there work ethic is so great, why haven't they built anything significant in Mexico since the pyramids for human sacrifice? I was taught it was the protestant work ethic that made this country. Guess were in for the Catholic work ethic?

Just wondering.




You sound off with BS and spout ignorant notions gained from God knows where.
Get a clue about life, do some farm labor for a summer, do some mason laboring, do something that puts you in the shoes of the one you look down your nose at then try to rationally figure out the fundamental differences between cultural ethics.
Get a clue about Aztec and Mayan culture.
Get a clue about Early American sociology and religion.
Go to school, then travel the world including Yucatan, Central America, Mexico, ect. before you speak to what they have or have not seen or done.

and....
No I am not Mexican or Spanish and I would be the first to say to hell with amnesty!
Yes when I was young I did all those laboring jobs listed above and worked with Mexicans
Yes I have studied Our country and its beginnings in college courses and on my own
Yes I have been to many places including the ones listed above





Wow, you must have ESP! How did you know what type of work I have done? and where?

Exactly where is my factual error? The history of the protestant work ethic and its influence on America, the Aztec's human sacrifices or the number of Roman Catholics in Mexico?



Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:30:23 PM EST
They don't work that hard! I frame houses. The illegal crews across the street make the same money per foot as I do. It is just that they divide it eight ways, while my crew divides it three ways.

That's right my three man crew gets as much done as their 8, 9 or 10 man crews. They stand around and watch each other work for eight bucks an hour while we bust ass for $28.

I have been able to survive by working harder longer and smarter. If they were half as industrious as we are, I'd have been run out of buisness long ago.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:30:28 PM EST
Mexican work ethic?
If that was true Mexico wouldn't be such a shit hole.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:31:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By s32:
Mexican work ethic?
If that was true Mexico wouldn't be such a shit hole.



Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:32:15 PM EST
According to Carlos Mencia its because-

"Mexicans will do anything for money"





Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:33:06 PM EST
Yeah, the concept of the siesta was created among the hardest working people on the planet.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:33:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:

Why is the Mexican work ethic stronger/better than that of an American?




It isn't.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:34:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By Silesius:
Yeah, the concept of the siesta was created among the hardest working people on the planet.



You guys make me laugh
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:37:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By LowReady:

Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:

Why is the Mexican work ethic stronger/better than that of an American?




It isn't.



Ding ding ding, we have a winner!!

But why doesn't anyone call W on implying that they do?

I tell you one thing, get rid of the d@mn gummit cheese and some hungry Americans will be "willing" to do some of that work! Ever wonder why the poor everywhere but the US are skinny as rails, but our "poor" are fat?

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 9:12:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 9:13:45 PM EST by GloryBigs]


Ding ding ding, we have a winner!!

But why doesn't anyone call W on implying that they do?

I tell you one thing, get rid of the d@mn gummit cheese and some hungry Americans will be "willing" to do some of that work!
Ever wonder why the poor everywhere but the US are skinny as rails, but our "poor" are fat?


Only now after I challenge you do you start spouting off true common sense and wisdom!

They (Can's) work hard when...Boss is watching, right after being shouted at or when the Boss may pop up to watch soon.
They (Can's) have very poor work ethics due to there culture -
Do Just Enough,Never Push to Hard - Mexican Motto
(ever notice no matter how large they are the forearms are tiny ~ like the black mans calves)
Can's do the hard work but they take no care to do it well-just good enough.
Same attitude towards hygiene also I have found. They also tend to leave garbage wherever they go even when a garbage can is close by.

Now as far as the RC's - My friend - seriously have you been to Rome or Venice or Florence ?
Can you really say anything bad about the Italian work ethic? They are all RC's.
Best cars -Best clothes -Art -Best architecture...
Dont confuse RC's -there are the RC's who created RC and then there are the ones who have been converted in order to fund the Church.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 9:19:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By s32:
Mexican work ethic?
If that was true Mexico wouldn't be such a shit hole.



The fact that Mexico is a shit hole is precisely the reason why most of the Mexicans with a backbone are now working here.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 9:28:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 9:31:18 PM EST by Chida66]

Originally Posted By BillofRights:
There are three answers:

1) the immigrents we get here, (legal and illegal) are above average in work ethic. They got off their ass and got here, and now they will work their ass off. We get the best that the world has to offer.

2) even the crappiest jobs here are still better then those found south of the border. Our liberal socialist policies allow them the ability to survive on low wages, and even sent money home.

3) American's are spoiled. We have irrational expectations.

I hate the runaway immigration problem as much as anybody. But those are the facts.



When I worked as a lead climber for an arborist, all of the above statements I found to be true. My boss did not hire illegals, but there was not one white or black fella that lasted more than a day. We all got the same pay, above minimun wage, but where were the origional Americans? Oh, they were too lazy and spoiled to work in the Texas heat.

Give them papers, make the bosses pay minimum wage and tax them. You will still likely only find one color in your work crew...brown.

I say this from my own exp. and understand those that have different exp with the Mexican workers in their crews. This is not a blanket statement, but just what I have seen.

BTW, I am white and we had only one other white fella working for us.
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 9:30:59 PM EST
A bunch of the Minutemen are going to McCains office tomorrow to take him up on the $50/hr lettuce picking jobs.

Anybody that want a $400/day summer job should show up at his office and force his hand. The best part is that it will be coming out of his own pocket (If he follows through)
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 10:02:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By MudBug:
A bunch of the Minutemen are going to McCains office tomorrow to take him up on the $50/hr lettuce picking jobs.

Anybody that want a $400/day summer job should show up at his office and force his hand. The best part is that it will be coming out of his own pocket (If he follows through)



I heard about that speech he gave!! When he asked the crowd if they'd pick lettuce for 50 dollars an hour . .. . lots of people raised their hands and said they would and what was McCain's response??? "No you wouldn't." !!!!!!!!!WTF Now he's such a genius that he knows what we would or would not do . .. even when we SAY we'd do it and he insists we don't even know THAT! That guy's a looooon. Bush and McCain have sold out to Senior FOX
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 8:01:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chida66:

Originally Posted By BillofRights:
There are three answers:

1) the immigrents we get here, (legal and illegal) are above average in work ethic. They got off their ass and got here, and now they will work their ass off. We get the best that the world has to offer.

2) even the crappiest jobs here are still better then those found south of the border. Our liberal socialist policies allow them the ability to survive on low wages, and even sent money home.

3) American's are spoiled. We have irrational expectations.

I hate the runaway immigration problem as much as anybody. But those are the facts.



When I worked as a lead climber for an arborist, all of the above statements I found to be true. My boss did not hire illegals, but there was not one white or black fella that lasted more than a day. We all got the same pay, above minimun wage, but where were the origional Americans? Oh, they were too lazy and spoiled to work in the Texas heat.

Give them papers, make the bosses pay minimum wage and tax them. You will still likely only find one color in your work crew...brown.

I say this from my own exp. and understand those that have different exp with the Mexican workers in their crews. This is not a blanket statement, but just what I have seen.

BTW, I am white and we had only one other white fella working for us.



When I managed a Chick-Fil-A, Mexicans and Guatamalans were the backbone of our kitchen staff and most of them had an incredible work ethic. By that I mean: 1. They took pride in doing the best job they could. 2. They often skipped "mandatory" breaks to keep working. 3. If another person didn't carry their weight they were shunned and ran off. 4. They found better ways to do their job and shared them with management so we could teach the rest of the staff. 5. They hated like !@#$ for anyone to outwork them. A few times I tried to outwork a couple of them unloading trucks and barely pulled off a tie. I still measure people's work ethic against Bernardo, Hilario, Simon and Liria.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 8:05:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By MudBug:
A bunch of the Minutemen are going to McCains office tomorrow to take him up on the $50/hr lettuce picking jobs.

Anybody that want a $400/day summer job should show up at his office and force his hand. The best part is that it will be coming out of his own pocket (If he follows through)



Dang, I wish I lived closer. I can't think of anything that is moral and legal that I WOULDN'T do for $50/hr. I have 2 Masters degrees and the best I've ever done was about $22/hr. The best part is at those rates I could work one day a week and still keep my current job, just because I love it.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 8:12:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By s32:
Mexican work ethic?
If that was true Mexico wouldn't be such a shit hole.



+infinity if they worked so hard they wouldn't have to come here.
Go to Nogales - or anywhere on the border - You won't see a whole lot going on.

It's not a work ethic, it's good old-fashioned greed. Do a little work and you can use that for an excuse while your family sponges medical care and education.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 8:14:33 AM EST
Good work ethic?

I seriously doubt the houses these guys are building will be standing in 50 years as opposed to the pre illegal built houses.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 8:17:50 AM EST
I have a friend who has a large tobacco farm and employs locals and Mexican immigrant workers. He says the white boys are the only ones he ever worries about not showing up, shwoing up drunk, not working, etc.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 8:18:16 AM EST
Because in Mexico if you don't work you starve. They don't have social welfare programs like the USA. Its more about survival then work ethic for them. And by the way most illegal work I have seen is pure crap.

You get what you pay for.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 8:18:27 AM EST
you all are correct, and we have done this to ourselves, we cannot expect nor deserve any better.

just like when an alcoholic gets liver disease, i can't feel sorry for him. he did it to himself.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 8:21:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/14/2006 8:22:36 AM EST by brassburn]
There are many good observations here. However let me point out two things.

Those of you who state or otherwise imply that all illegal workers are lazy with a poor work ethic are simply wrong.

Those of you who state or otherwise imply that all illegal workers are good workers with good work ethics are simply wrong.

The truth, as with all other cultures, races, and creeds, lies somewhere in the middle. Let's not oversimplify and generalize (i.e. stereotype) as a fallacious means to advance our argument.

The point is: They shouldn't be here illegally doing that work at all! Americans; white, black, hispanic, asian, whatever, should be filling ALL those positions

Let's talk about what steps should be taken. Ragging on this or that about Mexican illegals is pointless. I do like the Minutemen going to McCain's office to apply for the $50 an hour job. God I hope that gets some media coverage lol.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:13:26 AM EST
Mexican workers will do jobs Americans won't do because they are generally less educated. Mexicans like Americans who are better educated will not "lower" themselves with manaul labor. So the ones who come over here are those who are at the bottom of the Mexican ladder, the most desperate and least educated.
Plus when you're getting dollars instead of Pesos you have an insentive to work as much as you can to get as much money before the "Migra" cathes you and deports you back.

Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:22:56 AM EST
Once upon a time the Japanese had a rate of heart disease and obesity much lower than the citizens in the U.S. After WWII as their diets changed and they ate more like us, guess what?

There is a genetically identical group on the US/Mexican border. Those in Mexico ate primarily corn and beans with some animal protein. Same group in U.S. ate what we ate. Guess what?

Those from south of the border come from places where .gov isn't hell bent on one day wiping their fanny. Ours is. Guess who is used to working harder?

Of course, there is always Pfrance to make us feel better about ourselves.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 9:41:31 AM EST
I teach at a middle school that is mostly Black and Hispanic. We have mostly legals and some illegals, I am sure. We also have whites.

The native-born teenage boys are the laziest people I have ever known in my life. Some of them are so lazy that if breathing wasn't involuntary, they would simply die because they wouldn't put out the effort in inhale.

It cuts across all races, though the black boys are the laziest. The hispanic boys are the least serious students. These are general observations....YMMV.

I am of the opinion that it simply bloils down to this. If a boy didn't have a dad or very close and omni-present adult male relative to teach him not only that work is good but how to work, you pretty much end up with a lazy bum. Women cannot raise boys up to be men. Men have to teach boys how to be men......and that means hard work, responsibility, and respect for themselves and especially for others.

The illegals will become just as lazy as all those black, white and hispanic kids who have been raised on welfare once they figure out how to work less and have the Dems give them more.

Most immigrants work hard. It's the native Americans who by and large are incredibly lazy.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:16:19 AM EST


When I managed a Chick-Fil-A, Mexicans and Guatamalans were the backbone of our kitchen staff and most of them had an incredible work ethic. By that I mean: 1. They took pride in doing the best job they could. 2. They often skipped "mandatory" breaks to keep working. 3. If another person didn't carry their weight they were shunned and ran off. 4. They found better ways to do their job and shared them with management so we could teach the rest of the staff. 5. They hated like !@#$ for anyone to outwork them. A few times I tried to outwork a couple of them unloading trucks and barely pulled off a tie. I still measure people's work ethic against Bernardo, Hilario, Simon and Liria.



I agree. I worked in a restaurant for a summer and I was amazed at how much work all of those guys did, especially the cooks! They busted their asses, and all they'd ever demand of me was to followe orders and get them ice water.

Most all of them were real stand-up guys.
Link Posted: 4/14/2006 10:25:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By BillofRights:
There are three answers:

1) the immigrents we get here, (legal and illegal) are above average in work ethic. They got off their ass and got here, and now they will work their ass off. We get the best that the world has to offer.

2) even the crappiest jobs here are still better then those found south of the border. Our liberal socialist policies allow them the ability to survive on low wages, and even sent money home.

3) American's are spoiled. We have irrational expectations.

I hate the runaway immigration problem as much as anybody. But those are the facts.



Well said. The only thing I'd add to your comment is that the underclass here is unmotivated and unwilling to do an equivalent or even equal job as provided by illegal workers. The reason for that is socilaist welfare and taxpayer derived re-distribution of wealth. Cut off welfare and it's ilk, you'd be hard pressed to find an illegal worker in this county in my opinion. Amercians WOULD be doing those jobs and making a market wage.
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