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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:45:37 PM EDT
I grew up in the 80's and 90's and remember Regan's famous line  "Tear down that wall"  I remember the Soviet Union as our mortal enemy and watched them become the very pro-USA country of Russia under Yeltsin. I speak and read some Russian, not fluently or anything.  My hometown had a sister city in Russia growing up and when I was in grade school we exchanged letters with other kids.  It was a pretty nice world at that time, and really I can't remember an era of US foreign relations that was as stable and productive.  (maybe I'm wrong here).

Then it happened, WE fucked it up.  We bombed Belgrade, and the happy fun time ended.  That was the singular event that soured the friendship between the US and Russia.  To this very day, if you asked, most Russians would point to that event as reason we don't get along anymore.
The breakup of Yugoslavia was a total mess, and Miloševic was guilty of Genocide, no question about that.  But they way we got involved in Bosnia ended our friendly relationship with Moscow.  That is Clinton's legacy for you.  Maybe we need to remind the Democrat's of the nasty little fact.

So what does the hive think? Should be at odds with Russia?  Are they really a threat to us?  


I think we are going to need to be buddy-buddy with the Ruskies, if we are going to handle China in the future...

Link Posted: 12/12/2016 1:47:46 PM EDT
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The "weird" part is that, for 80 years, the Democrats basically wanted to let the Russians fuck their faces.

Go figure,  right
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 1:53:36 PM EDT
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I grew up in the 80's and 90's and remember Regan's famous line  "Tear down that wall"  I remember the Soviet Union as our mortal enemy and watched them become the very pro-USA country of Russia under Yeltsin. I speak and read some Russian, not fluently or anything.  My hometown had a sister city in Russia growing up and when I was in grade school we exchanged letters with other kids.  It was a pretty nice world at that time, and really I can't remember an era of US foreign relations that was as stable and productive.  (maybe I'm wrong here).

Then it happened, WE fucked it up.  We bombed Belgrade, and the happy fun time ended.  That was the singular event that soured the friendship between the US and Russia.  To this very day, if you asked, most Russians would point to that event as reason we don't get along anymore.
The breakup of Yugoslavia was a total mess, and Miloševic was guilty of Genocide, no question about that.  But they way we got involved in Bosnia ended our friendly relationship with Moscow.  That is Clinton's legacy for you.  Maybe we need to remind the Democrat's of the nasty little fact.

So what does the hive think? Should be at odds with Russia?  Are they really a threat to us?  


I think we are going to need to be buddy-buddy with the Ruskies, if we are going to handle China in the future...
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More like Stalin is the reason why relations are bad.

The US and Russia can be allies, but never truly friends.  We are not truly friends with China.  Only Nations that are our real friends would be Britain, Canada, Aus, etc..-essentially English speaking countries.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:02:09 PM EDT
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Because the delusional demoncrats say so. They are truly a sick, delusional propagandist bunch of morons, along with their fake news sycophants.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:04:10 PM EDT
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Because it's never ended well for anyone else in the past, ever.  Russia fucks its allies, kills people and steals their shit.  That's what they do.

Fuck Russia.  The worst parts of Western and Eastern cultures mixed together in an unholy imperialistic expansionist fuckstain of a nation.

Cautiously and skeptically neutral is the best anyone ever needs to do with Russia.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:07:50 PM EDT
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This.

The conservatives want peace so the libs want war.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:07:54 PM EDT
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Because the rooskies will want to legitimize their recent claims in Ukraine, Georgia...etc. I agree with cooperation but we can shake hands but keep the other on our wallet.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:10:32 PM EDT
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Because it's never ended well for anyone else in the past, ever.  Russia fucks its allies, kills people and steals their shit.  That's what they do.

Fuck Russia.  The worst parts of Western and Eastern cultures mixed together in an unholy imperialistic expansionist fuckstain of a nation.

Cautiously and skeptically neutral is the best anyone ever needs to do with Russia.
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As long as we don't get in each others way killing Muslim terrorists, I'm okay with the last sentence.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:10:46 PM EDT
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We should have friendly or at least cordial relations with Russia. There is no reason to start another cold war.

But yes, like said above, the "hawk" conservative war mongers want peace so the peaceful "dove" leftists want war.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:11:30 PM EDT
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Because of the pricks that are in control, I have been to Russia many times and the people loves us and are very nice, but it has been who has the bigger Dick since the days of the Russian revolution.

There is really no reason we can't be allies, we were cautious allies in WWII, but that will never make us friends.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:15:18 PM EDT
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The rooooskies are extremely paranoid.
They always think someones after their snow.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:16:08 PM EDT
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As long as we don't get in each others way killing Muslim terrorists, I'm okay with the last sentence.
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Because it's never ended well for anyone else in the past, ever.  Russia fucks its allies, kills people and steals their shit.  That's what they do.

Fuck Russia.  The worst parts of Western and Eastern cultures mixed together in an unholy imperialistic expansionist fuckstain of a nation.

Cautiously and skeptically neutral is the best anyone ever needs to do with Russia.

As long as we don't get in each others way killing Muslim terrorists, I'm okay with the last sentence.


Russia has zero interest in killing terrorists, Muslim or otherwise, outside of its own sphere of influence.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:18:58 PM EDT
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Russians are sneaky fucks that cant be trusted.

Thats what is wrong with being pals with the Russians.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:19:43 PM EDT
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We have made friends with nearly every nation we have been to war against...some of those who were our allies are now our enemies
China for example...
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:20:06 PM EDT
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My father used to say he never understood being mad at Russian they looked the most like us
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:23:04 PM EDT
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OP, I am like you, only I got to see the end of the cold war first hand as I spent an entire summer in Russia as an exchange student in 1993.  This included Moscow, St. Pete, Kiev and about 4 other cities.  I will tell all of you this.....

1. The Russians that could be considered of Generation X age ALL WANT TO BE JUST LIKE EVERY AMERICAN.  They LOVE our culture and stuff.  They fucking love it, they want to be pseudo-americans.  They do not hate us (or at least at that time).  To me it was sorta like High school with them and the Americans were the popular kids and the russians were wanting the popular kids approval and to be in the "in" group.  

2. They have national pride just like us and want to be left alone, just like us.  We fuck up our relationship when we try to tell them what to do in their own turf (Obama's globalism).  We wouldn't take that shit so why should they?

3. They are a mostly christan (orthodox) nation.  ANy christian "white" capitalist (they are capitalist now) nation we need to be fucking friends with.  There's no fucking reason we can't be cool with the russians the same way we became cool with the germans and japanese.

4. Russians respect people who are tough, if you act like a pussy like obama, they will fuck with you as weakness provokes them.

See the  thing is their government doesn't trust us because WE flake on every deal, fuck over every one of our allies at some point, and cannot be relied upon due to our sometimes left leaning government and their progressive globalist agenda.  I like to think that Putin knows what real americans look like and know that we sometimes elect idiots like obama but hopefully putting Trump in there Putin sees that we are course correcting and want to have a mutually exclusive relationship with them.  I mean why the fuck not?  we could tell the entire middle east to shut the fuck up if we did a divide and conquer.  We should be partnering with them on everything and instead of having china or mexico build our shit, it should be russia.  Bomb them with our capitalism.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:24:10 PM EDT
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Russians are sneaky fucks that cant be trusted.

Thats what is wrong with being pals with the Russians.
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Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:29:49 PM EDT
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Because it's never ended well for anyone else in the past, ever.  Russia fucks its allies, kills people and steals their shit.  That's what they do.

Fuck Russia.  The worst parts of Western and Eastern cultures mixed together in an unholy imperialistic expansionist fuckstain of a nation.

Cautiously and skeptically neutral is the best anyone ever needs to do with Russia.
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Words of wisdom spoken here.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:31:27 PM EDT
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Because it's never ended well for anyone else in the past, ever.  Russia fucks its allies, kills people and steals their shit.  That's what they do.

Fuck Russia.  The worst parts of Western and Eastern cultures mixed together in an unholy imperialistic expansionist fuckstain of a nation.

Cautiously and skeptically neutral is the best anyone ever needs to do with Russia.
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This. Russian's are lying bastards. Their culture has been backwards for 100s of years, and that's not likely to change. They're like pasty ass Arabs.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:31:42 PM EDT
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Russians are sneaky fucks that cant be trusted.

Thats what is wrong with being pals with the Russians.

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae17/shanghaisemperfi/1171768-boris_and_natasha_1.jpg


For the most part, they don't do "friends", I see enough shady stuff over here due to the way they handle business deals and their general demeanor towards non slavic people.
Of course there are always outliers but stereotypes hold true more than often over here/there too..
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:32:01 PM EDT
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Bizarre, ain't it???

There is nothing wrong with a relationship with the Russians.  It just has to be fair and equitable, preferably with us in the lead on our terms.

Right now, we're "no longer enemies, not yet friends."
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:34:03 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with being friends with the Russians, and certainly better than being friends with the Saudi's.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:35:15 PM EDT
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Russia isn't our enemy anymore.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:41:24 PM EDT
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Because it doesn't allow for the proxy war the left was trying to start.

They are becoming capitalists.

They are a shining example of how extreme socialism is always a failure and how bad it is when it eventually falls.

They are against globalism.

Putin respects nationalistic pride instead of hand wringing submission....ergo....he disrespected Obama and his aims whenever he could.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:43:29 PM EDT
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You could not be more wrong...

They never stopped being our enemy , they just do not have a massive warsaw pact military to control.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:48:01 PM EDT
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We've got to have someone out there to build up fear so that we keep giving the arms/military contractors billions of tax dollars to develop new ways of destroying people/material.

Lot's of money, lot's of money, in defense contracts.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:48:46 PM EDT
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Would you let a carnie sleep on your couch for the weekend as you went outta town?  Your house would be empty, your dog pregnant, and you'd have 5,000 MORE carnies camping in the back-yard!

Fuck that.  I'm all about keeping up appearances, keeping friends close and enemies closer and all, but i would never trust Putin with even the keys to my car.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:50:02 PM EDT
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Russia was never our friend and won't be anytime soon.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:50:57 PM EDT
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Just because Trump is doing stuff that Obama didn't, doesn't make it bad.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:51:16 PM EDT
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OP, I am like you, only I got to see the end of the cold war first hand as I spent an entire summer in Russia as an exchange student in 1993.  This included Moscow, St. Pete, Kiev and about 4 other cities.  I will tell all of you this.....

1. The Russians that could be considered of Generation X age ALL WANT TO BE JUST LIKE EVERY AMERICAN.  They LOVE our culture and stuff.  They fucking love it, they want to be pseudo-americans.  They do not hate us (or at least at that time).  To me it was sorta like High school with them and the Americans were the popular kids and the russians were wanting the popular kids approval and to be in the "in" group.  

2. They have national pride just like us and want to be left alone, just like us.  We fuck up our relationship when we try to tell them what to do in their own turf (Obama's globalism).  We wouldn't take that shit so why should they?

3. They are a mostly christan (orthodox) nation.  ANy christian "white" capitalist (they are capitalist now) nation we need to be fucking friends with.  There's no fucking reason we can't be cool with the russians the same way we became cool with the germans and japanese.

4. Russians respect people who are tough, if you act like a pussy like obama, they will fuck with you as weakness provokes them.

See the  thing is their government doesn't trust us because WE flake on every deal, fuck over every one of our allies at some point, and cannot be relied upon due to our sometimes left leaning government and their progressive globalist agenda.  I like to think that Putin knows what real americans look like and know that we sometimes elect idiots like obama but hopefully putting Trump in there Putin sees that we are course correcting and want to have a mutually exclusive relationship with them.  I mean why the fuck not?  we could tell the entire middle east to shut the fuck up if we did a divide and conquer.  We should be partnering with them on everything and instead of having china or mexico build our shit, it should be russia.  Bomb them with our capitalism.
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This....

I grew up in the German Democratic Republic and moved to the USA in 1989 the problem was never the people the problem is our governments.  Russian are great people and many times are demonized as some how evil.  Honestly Russia as an ally to the USA can only be positive because them as our enemy is only bad for both countries.  If any enemy exist to the US it is Iran and Russia would be a good ally to have in getting them in line with the world community.  Plus we are allies with far shittier pieces of shit cough Saudi Arabia cough comes to mind.  I would rather be ally with Russia than Saudi Arabia at least Russia does not hate women.

All the Russians are sneaky and the boogieman what do you think we do to other countries we do the exact same thing just you do not hear about us doing it in our MSM.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:51:43 PM EDT
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Cite please.

List all of the historic alliances/treating nations with Russian or the USSR for which said alliance/treaty worked out positively.  We'll wait.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:53:13 PM EDT
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this and they have literally invaded their neighbors in recent years
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:58:47 PM EDT
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I LMAO at  the logic "they are white Christians like us,we should be friends". What color and faith people in history have killed the most Americans? Brown Muslims huh? Non-caucasian Jesus Christ it's incredible.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 2:58:58 PM EDT
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Ask ANY of their allies.  They shit all over everything.  
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Gonna need a Ouija board for a lot of them....
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:11:31 PM EDT
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Cheap vodka.
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Cheap vodka.
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Poland does cheap vodka better.  And US vodka has really upped its game recently as well.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:16:40 PM EDT
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Poland does cheap vodka better.  And US vodka has really upped its game recently as well.
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Finnish Vodka is best Vodka...
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:17:05 PM EDT
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Putin is ex KGB, and one of the quotes he is famous for is this one...the greatest disaster to befall Russia is the breakup of the Soviet Union. the only reason Russia had any economic status is due to the fact they were sucking every eastern european country dry. some of the people of Russia may be decent, but the oligarchs and people in the Kremlin are among the most corrupt on the planet.  Putin has enacted some kind of legislation which has effectively wiped out opposition parties for future elections. the future for Russians looks very much like the past.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:20:45 PM EDT
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Russians are sneaky fucks that cant be trusted.

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Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:21:27 PM EDT
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this and they have literally invaded their neighbors in recent years
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If we invaded Mexico with the goal of knocking that third world piece of shit outta here, would that be considered bad?
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:22:10 PM EDT
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Because Russia is an expansionist authoritarian kleptocracy that has no regard for human rights. It threatens its neighbors who share our values and sees its relationship with the United States as a zero-sum game. Either the U.S. stands for something or it does not. Generations of Americans died and sacrificed in the believe that it does.

"But we can't afford to be America!" is bitch faggot talk. Go be something else, then, gtfo of my country.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:23:28 PM EDT
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Hillary's reset button didn't work so now she wants war.

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Yes, because Representative Republics don't invade sovereign nations without just cause, especially when those nations are also somewhat democratically elected.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:25:14 PM EDT
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I'll take being friends anyday over friends with Islamic countries.
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If we invaded Mexico with the goal of knocking that third world piece of shit outta here, would that be considered bad?
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this and they have literally invaded their neighbors in recent years

If we invaded Mexico with the goal of knocking that third world piece of shit outta here, would that be considered bad?


Yeah, actually it would.  Invading other countries because "they aren't doing it right" is considered poor form.

Punitive Expedition 2.0 would be one thing, and IMHO justified.

Operation Big Macs y Apple Pie Para Todos... not so much.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:28:22 PM EDT
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It isn't a bad thing. The left is still throwing a fit over their loss.
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Cite please.

List all of the historic alliances/treating nations with Russian or the USSR for which said alliance/treaty worked out positively.  We'll wait.
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Russia isn't our enemy anymore.


Cite please.

List all of the historic alliances/treating nations with Russian or the USSR for which said alliance/treaty worked out positively.  We'll wait.

Since we are asking for cites...List all of the historic treaties that the United States made with the Native Americans that work out positively...We'll wait. 
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:37:02 PM EDT
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Since we are asking for cites...List all of the historic treaties that the United States made with the Native Americans that work out positively...We'll wait. 
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Russia isn't our enemy anymore.


Cite please.

List all of the historic alliances/treating nations with Russian or the USSR for which said alliance/treaty worked out positively.  We'll wait.

Since we are asking for cites...List all of the historic treaties that the United States made with the Native Americans that work out positively...We'll wait. 


The Native Americans got a hell of a deal.  They were utterly and thoroughly defeated, and were still given opportunities to either assimilate into American culture (which most did) or remain somewhat sovereign on tribal lands.

Most world powers of the time would have simply enslaved or annihilated them.

A bit of comparing 18th century apples to 20th century oranges anyway.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 3:41:28 PM EDT
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A "relationship of equals" with Russia might not be a bad thing. However, if Putin is the puppeteer pulling the strings, and controlling the entire American system behind the scenes, this is not good. In fact it's extremely alarming. Maybe it's time to watch "The Manchurian Candidate" again.
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