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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:30:44 PM EDT
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Ummm he is hiding like a cockroach in a vast mountain region that is impossible to lockdown and with literally tens of thousands of caves and potential hiding spots? Because he was part of the Afghan resistance that survived because it grew adept at hiding? So, how many attacks on US soil? How many Al-Qaeda killed or captured?
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:30:50 PM EDT
[#2]
Did we get Hitler?
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:32:15 PM EDT
[#3]
Because we outsourced our troops when we had him cornered at Tora Bora.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:32:30 PM EDT
[#4]
Why is Bush still president?
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:32:41 PM EDT
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Bush and the U.S. Military had him cornered in Tora Bora and Bush decided not to risk the lives of the troops and turned the city over to the warlords and Bin Laden escapes! Thats why he's alive.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:33:29 PM EDT
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Look at the pics Andy posted in another thread. Can you say needle in a haystack?
This same terrain with the same fighters stopped three superpowers, the Ancient Greeks, the Brits, and the USSR. We've done a damn good job there isolating the MFer and making him cry like a little bitch, "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone, waaah!" Sorry asshole we'll leave you alone when you and your ilk are looking for your 72 virgins in hell. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:34:48 PM EDT
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He got himself. I think he took cyanide and shot himself with a PPK. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:35:01 PM EDT
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Yeah, we did. The Russian's didn't tell us about it for a few decades but yeah, we got Hitler. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:35:31 PM EDT
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No we didn't. He killed himself. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:36:25 PM EDT
[#10]
I don't know, maybe you should ask Clinton why he didn't kill him on any of the three clear chances he had?
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:36:31 PM EDT
[#11]
he is still alive, but Al Queda has been mostly squashed. So whats his real power now, besides being a figurehead?
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:39:41 PM EDT
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It pissed me off to see him alive as well.
What's it going to take? Perseverance, endurance and tenacity. A leader who will continue the fight. A leader who doesn't flip and then flop. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:40:25 PM EDT
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That's credible. But was Iwo Jima any easier? Damn it, I don't really care about dead nameless, faceless Al-Queda. I want OBL's head on a stick. That was the promice, that was the mission. And now he shows up like it's an appearance on Doctor Phil or something. Color me frustrated. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:42:11 PM EDT
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Same thing. After all, I doubt he would of gotten all maudlin and offed himself without a little assistance from the Allies. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:46:38 PM EDT
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Was Iwo Jima easier? YES. Just based on scope alone. How many Iwo Jima's could you put into the border region between A-stan and Pakistan? How many mountains were on Iwo Jima compared to the Pashtun regions? |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:46:43 PM EDT
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Ummm yes, Iwo Jima was a fraction of the size and was far less of a daunting task in terms of the terrain... don't get me wrong, the Marines there faught long and hard and bled for that land... but the mountains of Afghanistan AND Pakistan are continuos and Pakistan is a soverign nation... no telling if he has crossed borders, he likely has. The point is they have landed no punched here, and in fact have made several tries and all have been thwarted. Go buy Farenhype 9-11 and they detail several plots that were stopped here. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:47:37 PM EDT
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No it's not. Hell, there were rumors of him being in Argentina up until the 70s because we didn't find his body. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:55:07 PM EDT
[#18]
That's some tough terrain in Afghanistan/Pakistan, how long did that abortion bomber guy hide out in the Smoky Mountains?
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:57:28 PM EDT
[#19]
Why is Osama Bin Laden STILL ALIVE?
because I havent seen his ass yet 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:58:44 PM EDT
[#20]
Life isn't a Hollywood script. Plus, OBL is not the only player in the game, Kerry stupided into that train of thought during the debates but not enough was made of it. There is more to the war on terror than grabbing one man, much more. Many people don't want to believe that "they" have a lot of determined, intelligent, and capable people, who are focusing their entire lives' work to killing Ameircans and anyone else that is in their way. Rail on about camel-fuckers and dirt floors all you want, but underestimating the enemy's skills and depth isn't a good idea.
We are just as likely to be cursing the name of an as-yet unkown terrorist planner after the next attack. AQ, it's affiliates, and it's fellow thinkers, are not going to give up every operation in planning or become incapaciated just because OBL is getting a pounding in prison. As for the "outsourcing" at Tora Bora, who do you think is more credible: Tommy Franks or the Kerry commercials? |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 5:58:48 PM EDT
[#21]
How long did it take to get Ted Kaczynski? YEARS! And that guy was in our own country even.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:05:18 PM EDT
[#22]
John Kerry has a plan to get him
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:06:20 PM EDT
[#23]
I don't necessarily mean Iwo Jima in terms of operational sophistication, but rather in terms of national character; the ability to do the hard thing, to dedicate the resources and lives to achieve the ultimate goal. It was the national character that demanded the destruction of the Japanese. That same will endured the hardships and costs needed to defeat the Empire of Japan in under 4 years. I believe that if the United States as a nation could accomplish that mission and that now our resolve is as firm regarding bringing OBL to justice then the answer "it's just too hard" is wearing thin. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:06:57 PM EDT
[#24]
EXCELLENT answer! |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:10:44 PM EDT
[#25]
Once the FBI knew the Unabomber was Kaczynski they got him pretty damn quick. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:11:19 PM EDT
[#26]
We'll get his ass, make no mistake... Right now its not worth the resources to put 50,000 people in the mountains looking for him... we have him bottled up and he is left to making pussy videos.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:13:04 PM EDT
[#27]
Ted Kaczynski began his bombing run on May 25, 1978.
On April 3, 1996, 17 bombs and 18 years later, he was finally captured. Kaczynski was on US soil all those years, not in some hostile foreign land, and may never have been found were it not for information his younger brother provided the FBI. Some nuts are just tough to crack. 'Nuf said. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:13:08 PM EDT
[#28]
if your gonna spout off with ignorant Michael Moore info, at least get your post correct . If we were to take your post seriously, youd have us thinking we had OBL cornered in BORA BORA (which is an Island of Tahitti) and that we killed him there. here is a pic of BORA BORA  here is a pic of TORA BORA 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:13:15 PM EDT
[#29]
There has never been any proof he was at Tora Bora |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:13:15 PM EDT
[#30]
He is likely in Pakistan, although the mountains of Afghanistan are still a possibility. Pakistan is a soverign nation that has a lot of internal issues to deal with that won't allow them to clamp down as much as they like. Bottom line, they are currently ineffective here,,, and that is what matters.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:13:20 PM EDT
[#31]
Eric Rudolph didn't have the focused efforts of the combined might of the military, diplomatic and intelligence capabilities of the United States looking for him, either. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:13:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:15:03 PM EDT
[#33]
OK, Bora Bora is an island near Tahiti Tora Bora is a cave complex in Afghanistan Neither of them is a city |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:16:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:18:25 PM EDT
[#35]
Kaczynski killed a handfull of people. OBL was responsible for killing 3000 Americans. There is no comparison between the assets the United States allocated to tracking the Unabomber and those that have (and should) be allocated to killing the number one poster boy of our enemy in the Global War on Terror. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:18:51 PM EDT
[#36]
... You mean you're getting my preban, asshole? 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:23:02 PM EDT
[#37]
Sorry, that was a typo. Tora Bora is infact what I ment to say. And then I started to say "And thats why he's not been killed" but then types "alive" without taking out the not. My bad. Whats the price on his forehead up to these days? I'm surprised no ones iced his ass to get the green. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:23:56 PM EDT
[#38]
yeah, well that too! 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:25:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:26:53 PM EDT
[#40]
+1 Who ever said he was definatly in the caves at Tora Bora anyway? Remember all the unibomber siteings? Or the olympic bomber siteings. There are poeple who say they saw Elvis in the grocery store and we haven't found him yet either. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 6:58:30 PM EDT
[#41]
It tooks 6 years to get Hitler.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 7:09:27 PM EDT
[#42]
Bin Laden is one man with a beard in a land of millions of men with beards. He has cash to buy friends, and he already has ideological allies high in the Iranian, Saudi, and Paki governments. Worse, he isn't even the most important guy in the organization to capture of kill.
GunLvr |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:31:44 PM EDT
[#43]
No we didnt get Hitler. Hitler commited suicide before the Russians could get ahold of him.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:36:26 PM EDT
[#44]
Dark nite dont make the mistake of thinking this war we are engaged in only means getting Bin Laden. We have totally wrecked his terror organization. His power has been greatly reduced. He will be found and killed. Afganistan used to be a stronghold of his now he hides in a cave. He will make a mistake and end of dead. The terrorist are loosing the fight in Afganistan and they know it. There resistance is down to no motorized vehicles just people.
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Posted: 10/30/2004 8:53:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Ummm, yeah. And he had phone bills and regularly purchased Slim Jims at the local 7-Eleven once a month when he came into town. Seen OBama at the 7-eleven lately? OBL is a human mountain goat. We'll get him but it'll take more patience than the average American urbanite has. Instant gratification and lack of a serious work ethic defines urban America. "Oh, my God. Its been months. Why haven't we caught him?" Get a grip. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 9:00:52 PM EDT
[#46]
Wait...We aren't the Brits, we aren't the Ancient Greeks, and we aren't the USSR. We are the USA. We have satellites circling the globe 24x7. They can pick up tire tracks in Siberia and put a 5 ton missile fired from a bobbing destroyer 300 miles away in the ocean, and put that missile into the leftmost second story of a three story window. When I was on an M1 Abrams, I could put a Armor piercing Fin Stabilized round flying 4800 Mtr/Sec into a moving target while I was moving cross country myself at 40 MPH. That was over 10 years ago. We have the best technology in the world, we have the most extensive intelligence network int he world, unlimited budget, and OBL has...a donkey, an AK47, a radio, and a Sony Videocam. Don't tell me he doesn't matter or that he's irrelevant. Don't say it's too tough of a job to find him. The technology and the equipment and hardware is out there... so tell me again why Osama has a longer season than "friends? Why is he still around? |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 9:04:10 PM EDT
[#47]
How about I just call you what you are...
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Posted: 10/30/2004 9:06:51 PM EDT
[#48]
You go ahead and use all that crap and go deer hunting. I guarantee you that you won't see a single freakin deer for months on end.
"Lets drive our 69 ton tank up into the mountains. It produces 411 decibles at 1000 meters and fires humongous projectiles at outrageous velocities. I'm sure nobody will hear us coming. This should be easy". 
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Posted: 10/30/2004 9:08:23 PM EDT
[#49]
You mean why haven't we applied massive resources to finding him? Because he isn't really all that important. Nabbing him would be a nice symbolic victory, but I don't think it would have much effect on the ability of Al-Quada to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. If he is in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan somewhere, he's bottled up pretty good, and we have better things to do with 50,000 men then go look for him. Those men are busy setting up and protecting new Democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq because Democracy in the Middle East will have a far greater effect on the future of Terrorism then whether Osama is captured or not.
Also, I remember hearing that while Adolf had the courtesy to kill himself, lots of other senior members of the Nazi regime escaped to South America, and were never captured. The same reasons were operative then - it was more important to maintain order and set up a Democratic Government in Germany then it was to capture every single member of the Nazi regime. |
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Posted: 10/30/2004 9:15:36 PM EDT
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DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! |
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