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Posted: 9/30/2014 5:40:05 AM EST

Is there a thread yet about the pro democracy protests in Hong Kong?

I searched for one but didn't find, and am surprised because this is no small protest.

NOTE: Occupy Central has no relation to our Occupy shitheads (as far as I know)


Why is Hong Kong protesting?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29054196?ocid=socialflow_facebook

Tens of thousands have taken to the streets of Hong Kong in defiance of tear gas and government warnings. The BBC explains who is behind the movement, and why.

Why are people in Hong Kong so angry?

Hong Kong has not seen a protest on this scale for years.
Those out on the streets have been angered by the Chinese government's ruling limiting who could stand as a candidate in elections for Hong Kong's leader, due in 2017.
At the heart of this is a civil disobedience movement launched by democracy activists Occupy Central. When China made its ruling, Occupy Central promised demonstrations.
Then students in Hong Kong began a separate class boycott in late September and when they broke into the main government compound on Friday, Occupy kicked off its campaign early.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29421597
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Link Posted: 9/30/2014 5:47:17 AM EST


Because they did it once and an hour later they wanted to do it again.


Link Posted: 9/30/2014 6:14:17 AM EST
They enjoy their freedom, freedom the rest of the country doesnt have.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 6:16:25 AM EST
How long before FBHO sides with Beijing?
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 6:18:38 AM EST
It's encouraging the HK folks are pushing back, but there has been a steady erosion of HK's rights for many years now.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 6:33:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By amd_dude:
It's encouraging the HK folks are pushing back, but there has been a steady erosion of HK's rights for many years now.
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Correct.

It seems to me, that the steady erosion of their freedom, and more importantly the threat of the that erosion continuing, is why they are pushing back.

But evidently, they are supposed to log into an internet discussion forum and bitch about loosing their freedom and not actually do something about it.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 6:57:38 AM EST
Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese.

The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule.

If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 7:04:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mjollnir:


NOTE: Occupy Central has no relation to our Occupy shitheads (as far as I know)



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If that's true, it's good to know.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 7:05:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By PR361:
Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese.

The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule.

If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism.
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Don't bet on it, they will run them over with tanks if they threaten the communist ruling party
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 7:34:06 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 7:56:22 AM EST
The old guard will tolerate the shit to a point.

That point is arrived at, when the primary instigators have self identified, computers hacked, and can be located for arrest, and those surrounding the primary's have been identified and computers hacked for future intel.

After that, it's all about rolling tanks and cracking heads.

Who is going to stop them? The compassionate Maoists that have been eliminated systematically "dissapeared" over the last 10 years? The U.N.?

I wish the Brits had grown a pair and armed the fuckers to the teeth before they pulled out.
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Link Posted: 9/30/2014 8:03:46 AM EST
When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled. China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies. Big surprise.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 9:40:30 AM EST
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Originally Posted By amd_dude:
It's encouraging the HK folks are pushing back, but there has been a steady erosion of HK's rights for many years now.
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Which they knew as soon as the UK left
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 9:41:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By PR361:
Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese.

The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule.

If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism.
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lol they are much more likely to roll out the tanks. Communists don't do well with differences in opinion.
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Link Posted: 9/30/2014 9:50:29 AM EST
Hong Kong's chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, demanded on Tuesday that pro-democracy demonstrators disperse "immediately," putting an end to protests that clogged the city center since Friday, though Leung gave no indication he would compromise on their demands. "Occupy Central founders had said repeatedly that if the movement is getting out of control, they would call for it to stop," said Leung. "I’m now asking them to fulfill the promise they made to society and stop this campaign immediately." Protest leaders, who want more opens elections, responded by threatening to expand their campaign to occupy government buildings.

Mainland China appears to have a limited toolkit to deal with the protests in Hong Kong. The territory's prosperity makes it relatively immune to Beijing's promises of an improved standard of living and its international visibility makes a violent crackdown -- almost sure to backfire -- more dangerous for the mainland government. "On the mainland, as long as you can control the streets with enough soldiers and guns, you can kill a protest, because everywhere else is already controlled: the press, the Internet, the schools, every neighborhood and every community," said Xiao Shu, a visiting scholar at National Chengchi University in Taiwan, and a writer from the mainland. "In Hong Kong, the streets are not the only battlefield, like on the mainland." Chinese censors had their busiest day of the year purging mention of the protests from Weibo, China's Twitter-like microblogging platform.

Protesters want open elections for the chief executive position in 2017 -- the current plan calls for Beijing to vet and approve candidates -- and some have started calling for Leung's resignation. Leung, in turn, has called for protesters to consider the long-reaching consequences of the demonstrations. "Occupy Central and its impact isn’t a matter of days," he said. "It will last for a relatively long time. As a result, its impact on people’s lives and their personal safety in emergencies, as well as Hong Kong’s economic development and the cost to Hong Kong’s international image, will grow bigger and bigger. I hope everyone can consider these issues."
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 9:53:13 AM EST

Under the British colonial rule, were the Hong Kongers allowed to vote for their own governor? Were they represented in the British Parliament? I remember there were huge riots in the 1960s agains colonial rule and some smaller ones in the early 1980s about taxation w/o representation, mostly due to tax increase to funded the Falkland War.

It ain't all milk and honey under the Brit either.
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Originally Posted By TNgan:

Under the British colonial rule, were the Hong Kongers allowed to vote for their own governor? Were they represented in the British Parliament? I remember there were huge riots in the 1960s agains colonial rule and some smaller ones in the early 1980s about taxation w/o representation, mostly due to tax increase to funded the Falkland War.

It ain't all milk and honey under the Brit either.
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Ah...the false equivelency argument!

If your next post just includes "false American democracy" and "foreign occupation" and/or "foreign oppression" I'll give you the Chinese MFA triple word score!
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I read the title as King Kong and thought awesome, someone dressed up as King Kong and is protesting the president.

I feel let down this didn't happen.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 10:04:48 AM EST
I've been to Hong Kong one time back in early 1995 (4 or 5 day port visit) on my first WESTPAC cruise. I thought the place was amazing, had a really good time.

I remember hearing that a time was coming that it was one day going to cease being a British colony and become a Chinese territory. While there I wondered what would these people do when that happened, leave?

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Link Posted: 9/30/2014 10:10:42 AM EST
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Because when HK was handed over to the PRC by the UK. The PRC promised that they wouldn't fuck with HK's internal policies, economy, and form of government for 50 years.

The Commies lied and HK Citizens are getting fucked with.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 10:15:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By S-28:
The old guard will tolerate the shit to a point.

That point is arrived at, when the primary instigators have self identified, computers hacked, and can be located for arrest, and those surrounding the primary's have been identified and computers hacked for future intel.

After that, it's all about rolling tanks and cracking heads.

Who is going to stop them? The compassionate Maoists that have been eliminated systematically "dissapeared" over the last 10 years? The U.N.?

I wish the Brits had grown a pair and armed the fuckers to the teeth before they pulled out.
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I really wished the HK Citizenry was able to be armed. But to my knowledge HK's laws were worse than that of mainland UK. Also the UK cared more about business links with the PRC than the citizenry of HK.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 10:18:04 AM EST
Didn't their parents have something like a century's notice to GTFO?

I realize the younger protesters were just unlucky to be born into it, but this shouldn't be a fucking surprise to anyone, and China is a hell of a lot "nicer" than it was in 1998.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 10:31:10 AM EST
Chinese Spring
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Because they did it once and an hour later they wanted to do it again.


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you're making me raff.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:09:15 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:13:17 PM EST
Chinese promised them relative autonomy after the handover from Britain; they're reneging now and specifying which candidates are allowed to run for office.
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Originally Posted By MikeE23666:
I've been to Hong Kong one time back in early 1995 (4 or 5 day port visit) on my first WESTPAC cruise. I thought the place was amazing, had a really good time.

I remember hearing that a time was coming that it was one day going to cease being a British colony and become a Chinese territory. While there I wondered what would these people do when that happened, leave?

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IIRC, HK Chinese could "buy" Canadian citizenship for a million USD, leading to a large expat community in Vancouver.

No idea why the US didn't jump on that bandwagon as well.
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Chinese promised them relative autonomy after the handover from Britain; they're reneging now and specifying which candidates are allowed to run for office.
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Mainland communist party hacks want a taste of all the money flowing through Kowloon.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:19:33 PM EST
Hong Kong is tired of American pilots flying all the rubber dog shit out of their country.
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Originally Posted By TNgan:

Under the British colonial rule, were the Hong Kongers allowed to vote for their own governor? Were they represented in the British Parliament? I remember there were huge riots in the 1960s agains colonial rule and some smaller ones in the early 1980s about taxation w/o representation, mostly due to tax increase to funded the Falkland War.

It ain't all milk and honey under the Brit either.
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No they don't because back then, Hong Kong is a colony, and is subjected to the British rule. Now Hong Kong is a Self Administrated Region (SAR), not a colony, broker by the Brits as a term when Hong Kong as a whole was returned to China.
Even under the colony, the people of Hong Kong do participate in regional and local elections, which select members of several public administrators. Other public administrators are appointed by the governor.
The Communist government of China have promised the people of Hong Kong, to have open election in 2017, but it change its mind, and only limited candidates the approved by the Chinese government.
This is going to be a thorn in China side for years to come, especially with both Hong Kong and Macau, both being SAR.

The civil disturbance in '62, '69 were started by the communist / socialist, backed by the Chinese government, when they try to force the British out. A show of force by the Brit, including landing Victor and Vulcan bombers, and a tank regimen in the military airport stop the nonsense. I was born there, and my father work for the RAAF back then.

Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:48:07 PM EST
Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed.
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The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK.
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Originally Posted By PR361:
Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese.

The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule.

If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism.
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As much as I hope you're right, I don't see it happening. Life is cheap in China, and after Tinanenmen Square, nothing would surprise me...
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FIFY.
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The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK.
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Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed.

The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK.



...and mainland China is suppressing news of the protest due to fear that the calls for Democracy will spread to China.

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Originally Posted By Tony-Ri:

The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK.
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Originally Posted By Tony-Ri:
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Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed.

The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK.

But the cause of the problem is Communist China fucking with Capitalist HK.

This needs to spread like wild fire throughout the PRC.
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As much as I hope you're right, I don't see it happening. Life is cheap in China, and after Tinanenmen Square, nothing would surprise me...
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Originally Posted By PR361:
Hopefully a tipping point for the Chinese; many of the people in Hong Kong were raised under the gentle democratic rule of the British and are chafing under the crushing restrictions of the Chinese.

The Chinese are enjoying the financial benefits of a democratic state but balk at allowing self rule.

If the protests continue to grow, perhaps the Chinese will fold and this will be the first Domino that will end with the collapse of communism.



As much as I hope you're right, I don't see it happening. Life is cheap in China, and after Tinanenmen Square, nothing would surprise me...



Speaking with teenagers from China is fascinating. They are taught that Tinanenmen Square was nothing more than a bunch of terrorists.

With that much distortion of the truth and covering for the ruling Regime, you'd think it was the US medi.. .. uh... I mean North Korea!


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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:

But the cause of the problem is Communist China fucking with Capitalist HK.

This needs to spread like wild fire throughout the PRC.
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Originally Posted By Tony-Ri:
Originally Posted By M41911:
Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed.

The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK.

But the cause of the problem is Communist China fucking with Capitalist HK.

This needs to spread like wild fire throughout the PRC.


Kinda what I was hoping for.^^^^^^^^^
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...and mainland China is suppressing news of the protest due to fear that the calls for Democracy will spread to China.

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Originally Posted By Tony-Ri:
Originally Posted By M41911:
Civil unrest in commie China is good news indeed.

The problem is it isn't in commie china, but capitalist HK.



...and mainland China is suppressing news of the protest due to fear that the calls for Democracy will spread to China.


AND this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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#HongKong police seem to be very openly re-supplying riot equipment


Police seen carrying box marked 'corrosive' into govt HQ. Protesters concerned
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Originally Posted By DarkNite:
When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled. China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies. Big surprise.
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The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau).
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The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau).
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When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled. China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies. Big surprise.


The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau).


Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege?

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I knew it was over when they took away the dirty panty vending machines.
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Originally Posted By S-28:
The old guard will tolerate the shit to a point.

That point is arrived at, when the primary instigators have self identified, computers hacked, and can be located for arrest, and those surrounding the primary's have been identified and computers hacked for future intel.

After that, it's all about rolling tanks and cracking heads.

Who is going to stop them? The compassionate Maoists that have been eliminated systematically "dissapeared" over the last 10 years? The U.N.?

I wish the Brits had grown a pair and armed the fuckers to the teeth before they pulled out.
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Two words....

Falun Gong...

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Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege?

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Originally Posted By DarkNite:
When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled. China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies. Big surprise.


The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau).


Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege?

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With the take over of China by the PRC. Yes, they very well could have. The governing body they made the agreement with ceased to exist after the Commies took over. If I were running the UK I woukd have parked a couple of SSBNs off the coast, had the RAF armed with nukes, upped the Army numbers, and told China to fuck off.
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