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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:12:06 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:13:09 AM EST
It used to be 0-50 if you look at older car mags.

62.5mph=100kph so 0-60 makes it easier to convert across multiple regions for the same car.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:14:16 AM EST
Arguably, the standing start 1/4 mile is the real standard. 0-60 is just used in magazines.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:14:48 AM EST
Merging onto a highway.

Kharn

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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:18:09 AM EST
55mph national speed limit.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:21:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By crownvic96:
It used to be 0-50 if you look at older car mags.

62.5mph=100kph so 0-60 makes it easier to convert across multiple regions for the same car.
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Makes sense
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:23:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:26:13 AM EST
How fast do you plan on going on public streets?
Maybe we should use top speed
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:28:08 AM EST
60 mph = 1 mile in 1 minute..makes for easy calculations.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:28:14 AM EST
Acceleration != Top Speed
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:29:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:35:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bradders:


Not here it isn't
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Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
55mph national speed limit.


Not here it isn't


Not here anymore either.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:37:16 AM EST
0-100-0, that's how it should be done, of course with the speed limits in this contry it's irrelevant.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:40:32 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bradders:


Not here it isn't
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Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
55mph national speed limit.


Not here it isn't


Back in the 70's...
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:46:01 AM EST
0-60 is used as a VERY general way of telling you the absolute quickest that car in stock form will get up to speed.

But it tells you NOTHING about the manner in which it does it.

1/4 mile is a much better indication of how fast a vehicle is but still does not tell you much about the car for how most normal people will drive it.



The vehicle connoisseur will use multiple statistics to get a good idea of how it will perform. 0-60 tells you how it launches and a little bit about how it shifts. 5-60 will tell you a lot better about how fast the car is. Many cars...such as ones with all wheel drive...will have a large disparity between these two statistics because 0-60 requires a hard launch and 5-60 is just flooring it while already moving.


Another important stat is a top gear 50-70 acceleration...which will be a better indicator of torque.

so yea...suck it
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 10:51:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Mossberg:
Arguably, the standing start 1/4 mile is the real standard. 0-60 is just used in magazines.
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Not really, 0-60 is much more applicable to a street car. As you can do a 0-60 blast in most areas. Where a full on 110mph 1/4 mile run isn't feasible(or remotely safe) in most areas.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:03:49 AM EST
Tag.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:05:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Lon_Moer:
60 mph = 1 mile in 1 minute..makes for easy calculations.
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+1
1/10 of an hour = 6 minutes
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:07:11 AM EST
45-65 is probably the most useful real life statistic
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:08:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Use_the_2nd:
0-100-0, that's how it should be done, ............
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That's always more interesting and telling of what it might could do.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:10:02 AM EST
Torque-
Torque is EVERYTHING!
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:48:18 AM EST
maybe 0-61 was already taken.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:50:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Use_the_2nd:
0-100-0, that's how it should be done, of course with the speed limits in this contry it's irrelevant.
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I don't disagree, but braking performance really doesn't say much about the engine.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 11:55:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dskeet:

Not really, 0-60 is much more applicable to a street car. As you can do a 0-60 blast in most areas. Where a full on 110mph 1/4 mile run isn't feasible(or remotely safe) in most areas.
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Originally Posted By dskeet:
Originally Posted By Mossberg:
Arguably, the standing start 1/4 mile is the real standard. 0-60 is just used in magazines.

Not really, 0-60 is much more applicable to a street car. As you can do a 0-60 blast in most areas. Where a full on 110mph 1/4 mile run isn't feasible(or remotely safe) in most areas.


A magazine style 0-60 blast will get you a display of speed or similar ticket if there is a cop watching.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:12:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mossberg:


Not here anymore either.
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Originally Posted By Bradders:
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
55mph national speed limit.


Not here it isn't


Not here anymore either.

in somolia?
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:15:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Quintin:
I read somewhere a long time ago that it was used as a gauge for merging onto a freeway, especially during the gas crunch smogger junk of the mid-late '70s or so.
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This explanation is the one I subscribe to.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:19:24 PM EST
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in somolia?
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Originally Posted By Badass03:
Originally Posted By Mossberg:
Originally Posted By Bradders:
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
55mph national speed limit.


Not here it isn't


Not here anymore either.

in somolia?


Yep. We don't even have roads.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:26:42 PM EST
0 to 60 is how QUICK a car is; not how FAST it is.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:29:05 PM EST
30-90 acceleration (accelerating out of corners) is harder for knuckledraggers to wrap their head around and the standing mile requires more attention span than the average American can muster.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:31:26 PM EST
Because most people think that 60 is going fast.

The people that will gas it to hit 50, to slam on the anchors at the next traffic light is amazing.

Just look at the level of aggression displayed in heavy traffic, lane changing, rubber banding etc.
all done below 30. Get the speed up to >60 most turn into pussies and wont even change lanes.

This is for the average sheeple, not for the all the F1 Supercross NASCAR Rally drivers on arfcom.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:31:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kharn:
Merging onto a highway.

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I think it's this simple OP
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:33:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By usjet:
Torque-
Torque is EVERYTHING!
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Torque is nothing because time is everything.

Power is what matters because it includes the work done per unit of time.


Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:35:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 98_1LE:
0 to 60 is how QUICK a car is; not how FAST it is.
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+1
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:39:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By snakes19:
45-65 is probably the most useful real life statistic
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This.
Because 45 is a reasonable speed on the 25mph curved onramp, and you need to get up to 65 to merge.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:40:29 PM EST
To answer OP, 0 to 60 is the average stop light street race and you need to know if you will win or lose before the challenge.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:59:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mossberg:
Arguably, the standing start 1/4 mile is the real standard. 0-60 is just used in magazines.
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This. 60ft time is important as well.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:06:20 PM EST
1/4 mile is more important than 0-60 IMO





Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:14:25 PM EST
I say we switch to lap times of the Nurburgring Nordschleife.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:17:04 PM EST
60' time is more important to me. 0 - 60 is for bench racers.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:17:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tifosi:
Acceleration != Top Speed
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Acceleration=Distance/Time
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:19:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By crownvic96:
It used to be 0-50 if you look at older car mags.

62.5mph=100kph so 0-60 makes it easier to convert across multiple regions for the same car.
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Pretty much. We use the 0-100 km/h standard, so 0-60 miles/h makes sense in the US.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:26:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MallSRTsniper:
0-60 is used as a VERY general way of telling you the absolute quickest that car in stock form will get up to speed.

But it tells you NOTHING about the manner in which it does it.

1/4 mile is a much better indication of how fast a vehicle is but still does not tell you much about the car for how most normal people will drive it.



The vehicle connoisseur will use multiple statistics to get a good idea of how it will perform. 0-60 tells you how it launches and a little bit about how it shifts. 5-60 will tell you a lot better about how fast the car is. Many cars...such as ones with all wheel drive...will have a large disparity between these two statistics because 0-60 requires a hard launch and 5-60 is just flooring it while already moving.


Another important stat is a top gear 50-70 acceleration...which will be a better indicator of torque.

so yea...suck it
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I would hate to see my cars top gear 50-70 :(

But then its a turbo 6speed so at 3K in 6th gear I am doing 90. It would be idling in 6th at 50mph.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:43:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MallSRTsniper:
0-60 is used as a VERY general way of telling you the absolute quickest that car in stock form will get up to speed.

But it tells you NOTHING about the manner in which it does it.

1/4 mile is a much better indication of how fast a vehicle is but still does not tell you much about the car for how most normal people will drive it.



The vehicle connoisseur will use multiple statistics to get a good idea of how it will perform. 0-60 tells you how it launches and a little bit about how it shifts. 5-60 will tell you a lot better about how fast the car is. Many cars...such as ones with all wheel drive...will have a large disparity between these two statistics because 0-60 requires a hard launch and 5-60 is just flooring it while already moving.


Another important stat is a top gear 50-70 acceleration...which will be a better indicator of torque.

so yea...suck it
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Please explain, in detail, why a quarter mile time is "better" than 0-60 time.

NOTE: This is a question, not a challenge.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:52:33 PM EST
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Honestly most cars 1/4 mile time & speed are set in stone by 60 mph. In fact I'll go as far to say that most cars pick up around 20mph in the second 1/8 mile of a 1/4 mile.

<-- Has made over 1,000 passes down a dragstrip, autocrossed, open tracked/HPDE, ran the Texas Mile and open road raced.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:54:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lon_Moer:
60 mph = 1 mile in 1 minute..makes for easy calculations.
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Has no relevance here.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:58:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 98_1LE:
Honestly most cars 1/4 mile time & speed are set in stone by 60 mph. In fact I'll go as far to say that most cars pick up around 20mph in the second 1/8 mile of a 1/4 mile.

<-- Has made over 1,000 passes down a dragstrip, autocrossed, open tracked/HPDE, ran the Texas Mile and open road raced.
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I believe a lot of this has to do with the short gearing in the first few gears. You have your 60' time to deal with, traction issues, plus a 1/2 shift on top of that.

I would venture to say that by the time you hit the 1/8 mile mark, you generally have no more traction issues and you spend longer in 3rd running it out.

Just my personal observation, probably wrong. I haven't raced in a while.


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Originally Posted By 98_1LE:
Honestly most cars 1/4 mile time & speed are set in stone by 60 mph. In fact I'll go as far to say that most cars pick up around 20mph in the second 1/8 mile of a 1/4 mile.

<-- Has made over 1,000 passes down a dragstrip, autocrossed, open tracked/HPDE, ran the Texas Mile and open road raced.
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I prefer cars that are exceptions to your rules.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:00:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bradders:


Not here it isn't
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Originally Posted By Bradders:
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
55mph national speed limit.


Not here it isn't


What is the speed limit over there?
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:01:21 PM EST
0-60 is used by car magazines and some of the first car mags were British. The national speed limit in England was 60mph.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:02:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 98_1LE:
Honestly most cars 1/4 mile time & speed are set in stone by 60 mph. In fact I'll go as far to say that most cars pick up around 20mph in the second 1/8 mile of a 1/4 mile.

<-- Has made over 1,000 passes down a dragstrip, autocrossed, open tracked/HPDE, ran the Texas Mile and open road raced.
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That's very true. My Buick is 100 MPH in the 1/8th mile, and 136 MPH in the 1/4 mile............and that's a mid 10 second car.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:03:01 PM EST
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A magazine style 0-60 blast will get you a display of speed or similar ticket if there is a cop watching.
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Originally Posted By Mossberg:
Originally Posted By dskeet:
Originally Posted By Mossberg:
Arguably, the standing start 1/4 mile is the real standard. 0-60 is just used in magazines.

Not really, 0-60 is much more applicable to a street car. As you can do a 0-60 blast in most areas. Where a full on 110mph 1/4 mile run isn't feasible(or remotely safe) in most areas.


A magazine style 0-60 blast will get you a display of speed or similar ticket if there is a cop watching.

Not in the heavily congested areas that have metering stoplights on the freeway entrance ramps. One car per green, with what feels like <300 yards yards to get up to highway speed (which is 65mph plus the normal extra 8-10mph over the limit most people go) and merge. They're quite interesting in my 3/4ton SUV, the 6L really screams when you stomp on it.

Kharn
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