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Posted: 8/14/2007 11:20:41 AM EDT
6 year old boy was murdered by his mom's boyfriend with a meat cleaver. A few neighbors saw this and ran in to call 911
FUCK 911 CALL 1911 damnit. RIP lil buddy http://www.latimes.com/news/local/ventura/la-me-attack14aug14,1,2052559.story?coll=la-editions-ventura&ctrack=1&cset=true |
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A state with better firearm laws might have stopped that attack all together.
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This happened up the hill from me. I cannot tell you how pissed the folks are around here.
This guy deserved to be shot and the liberal fucktards just called the PoPo. |
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Guns aren't the answer, however this story stresses the immediate need for tougher laws regulating meat cleavers. |
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There are but people are prone to be victims in Cali, when the laws are so strick that no one carries or even owns a weapon compared to other places. I know I always hated feeling defenseless when i would visit my ex in Malibu. |
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Here is the local article.
link Boy, 6, killed in 'brutal' attack Newbury Park mom severely injured, man jailed By John Scheibe (Contact) Tuesday, August 14, 2007 Victim Sev'n Molina, 6, shown here in his pre-school photo. Photos of Calvin Leonard Sharp, 27, who is uspected of using a meat cleaver to kill 6-year-old Sev'n Molina. The image at left is his booking photo following his arrest. The image at right is from his MySpace page. Sev'n Molina's mother, Sandra Ruiz, 33, was injured in the attack that killed her son. Video: Neighbors discuss slaying Neighbors react to brutal attack at Newbury Park apartment complex. Photos by Jason Redmond / Star staff Cassie Olson lays flowers as Camille Winans and her son look on Monday at the scene where a boy was killed at the Hillcrest Park apartments in Newbury Park. Top, Patrick Bowman, a resident of the complex, consoles his girlfriend, Christina Kindred. A Newbury Park man was in jail Monday, facing murder and other possible charges after a 6-year-old boy was hacked to death with a meat cleaver and his mother severely injured during an attack at her apartment complex. "It was the most brutal thing I ever saw," neighbor P.J. Christoni said of the Sunday night attack at the Hillcrest Park apartment complex in Newbury Park. Sev'n Molina, 6, was dead by the time police reached the complex about 9:30 p.m., authorities said. An autopsy Monday showed he died of head injuries, according to the Ventura County coroner's office. His mother, Sandra Ruiz, 33, was taken to Los Robles Hospital and Medical Center in Thousand Oaks, where she underwent surgery Monday. The hospital could not provide information on her condition Monday. Another woman was injured when she tried to help the victims, authorities said. Calvin Leonard Sharp, 27, was arrested at the scene, sheriff's Capt. Jerry Hernandez said. Sharp was combative and had to be stunned multiple times with a Taser gun, Hernandez said. Sharp was being held Monday in Ventura County Jail in lieu of $1 million bail. He faces one count of murder and two counts of attempted murder, authorities said. Investigators said Sharp knew Ruiz and her son. The investigators spent much of Monday trying to piece together the exact nature of the relationship, and a possible motive remained unclear. Neighbor tried to help boy Patrick Bowman, who lives above Ruiz's apartment in the 1800 block of West Hillcrest Drive, said he went outside after hearing screams Sunday night. Bowman said he saw a man hitting the woman with an object while the boy stood nearby. "I tried to grab the boy, but he got to him first," Bowman said Monday as he stood in a courtyard just yards from where the attack occurred. At one point, a 53-year-old woman jumped on the man. Witnesses said the woman was cut in the face but managed to wrest the cleaver from the attacker. Authorities declined Monday to release her name. 'Covered in blood' Neighbor David Crawford said he heard the man yelling to the boy, "I'm sick of your video games," as he attacked him. Ruiz nearly had one of her hands severed in the attack, said Christoni. "She was covered in blood from head to foot," Christoni said. Friends and neighbors placed candles, balloons and teddy bears on the grass where the attack occurred. The boy's body was covered by a sheet as investigators interviewed neighbors Monday morning. Ruiz works across the street at biotechnology giant Amgen Corp., in its marketing department. "We are shocked and deeply saddened by this tragedy," Amgen spokeswoman Mary Klem said Monday. "Our prayers and heartfelt sympathies are with Sandra, her family and friends." The slain boy attended Manzanita School in Newbury Park. Deborah Lamme, a teacher at the school, said Sev'n "was unusually bright" and "very devoted to his mother." "She was as devoted to him as he was to her," Lamme said. "She would walk him to school and listen to him read as they waited for school to start." Michael Brandon, a TV cameraman and friend of Ruiz, came to the apartment complex Monday afternoon. "I just had to come," Brandon said. "This girl's my friend. She's like a sister to me. "She's the nicest girl you'd ever want to know." Sev'n was a cheerful, energetic, smart child who took martial arts lessons every Saturday, Brandon said. "He loved video games and loved martial arts," he said. "This guy took her most precious possession," Brandon said. "Her son just didn't deserve to die like that." Had operated taxicab Before Sunday's incident, Sharp had no felony arrests in Ventura County, court records show. He once operated a taxi through Yellow Cab. Leonard Locher, operations manager for Yellow Cab in Ventura County, said Sharp left the company in late May or early June. Locher said he believed Sharp started "his own personal limo service." Grant Johnson, general manager for a Westlake Village restaurant and lounge called P6, said it did a lot of business with Sharp because of the relative scarcity of taxi companies in the area. Sharp's vehicle carried advertising for P6 and its sister steakhouse and lounge, Chapter 8, Johnson said. — Staff writers Cheri Carlson, Tamara Koehler, Jean Cowden Moore and Teresa Rochester contributed to this report. |
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Los Angeles is the second largest city in the US. So, the ratio of crimes would be higher than, say, Phoenix.
Also, the people who don't own guns in California is due to personal preference. I own several guns and I will use them if need be. |
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You cannot legally have a loaded weapon in a vehicle in the state of California. That is a being defenseless IMO.
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Before you start calling the neighbors sheeple and cowards, I suggest you read the part about the 52-year old woman tackling the guy armed with a meat cleaver and the neighbor trying to save the boy. You give the impression they just stood by and watched.
Either of them have a lot more guts than any dozen keyboard commandos. This may come as a big surprise to a lot of you, but the majority of the country does not live on the internet and does not carry a gun in their own front yards 24/7. |
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+1 WTF? Like Arizona is some "Garden Spot" of Humanity? |
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No way! |
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That would make a nice bumper sticker or something |
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Way. These folks handled a bizarre dangerous situation in the best way they could and really don't deserve to get slammed simply because they are not gun nuts. They put themselves in harm's way for a child and his mother. That is deserving of respect. |
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The end does not justify the means. |
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No i said that because the boy was being beating to death and they ran inside to call 911 rather than try to stop the attack. I dont blame them for not wanting to stop a mad man unarmed, but its just a shame and Cali laws really are not friendly to people stopping threats on their own even in a good neighborhood like Thousand Oaks.
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+1 imo, its not SoCal or Phoenix AZ or whatever that has to do w/ crime rates or whatnot its simply someone stepping forward and doing something/interveaning if SHTF if something bad happens, it happens; all one can do is either help or not "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men [stand by and] to do nothing." --Edmond Burke of course, w/ our great laws, lawsuits, and social complexities, even good citizens tend to be discouraged to help others b/c of backlash for doing the right thing, which makes the personal choice of interveaning that much harder; heck, i'll admit it, i probably would not have been the 1st to try to get involved... |
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Says the expert on California who lives in Arizona... |
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first off, he was hacked to death, not beaten to death. Secondly, no mention is made of calling 911 but there is THIS.
The neighbors stopped the attack and were wounded in the process. Don't you even read your own links? |
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Last time I checked, mexican gangs smuggled, murdered and raped like mad over there. My best friend's frail, 60 year old mom in Tuscon packs a Glock 19. |
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Read the details in this link and then figure out when you would have deployed your Arizona death rod.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=65947 |
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I've lived in Newbury Park, in fact I just moved here from there. Other than a section of low income housing lovingly refered to as "White Watts", the town is upscale and nice. This incident is tragic but it's not typical for that part of SoCal.
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Lol, and when you showed your 1911 and sent a round down the barrel hitting the woman that was trying to stop the guy.....
Go ahead and finish that. |
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Here is another one for you in the San Gabriel Valley, 10 miles east of Los Angeles. This woman wiped out her entire family, husband & 2 young sons.
================================================ http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_6599657 Detective says woman admits to 3 slayings Man-ling Williams charged with killing husband, 2 children By Frank C. Girardot Staff Writer • Video: Rowland Heights triple homicide • Photo Gallery: Memorial for triple murder crime • Related Article: Statement from Williams Family and Friends WEST COVINA - Authorities said Friday a woman accused of killing her husband with a sword and smothering their two small children with a pillow confessed to the crimes. At an arraignment Friday afternoon, the attorney for Man-ling Williams, 27, said that his client allegedly detailed her involvement in the killings, which happened Wednesday in their Rowland Heights home. Sheriff's officials confirmed there was a confession. Deputy public defender Kenneth Wenzl pointed to an "alleged confession" in his objection to media coverage of Williams' court appearance on Friday. "Ms. Williams objects to being Advertisement photographed; there's an alleged confession in this case," Wenzl said. "They have a photograph already." The arraignment, a procedure in which a defendant enters a plea, was postponed until Aug. 31. The District Attorney's Office is alleging special circumstances in the case that could lead to the death penalty for Williams if she is convicted. She is charged with three counts of murder, and special circumstance allegations of lying in wait prior to the slayings of the children, and three counts of multiple murder. On Wednesday, she allegedly told neighbors she couldn't sleep and took a drive. She said she discovered the bodies upon her return to her home in the 18200 block of Camino Bello. Williams is suspected of stabbing her husband, Neal Williams, 27, to death with a sword and of suffocating their two sons, Devon, 7, and Ian, 3. "She provided some statements that proved incriminating," said Sgt. Bill Marsh, lead homicide detective in the case for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. When asked if Williams had in fact confessed, Marsh answered, "yeah." In court Friday, Williams, manacled at the waist, was wearing clothes her family brought, anticipating she would be on camera, authorities said. Several members of her family and a few friends sat together in the spectator section of the tiny courtroom. A woman, who was identified as Man-ling Williams' mother, occasionally dabbed at her eyes with a tissue. No members of Neal Williams' family attended the hearing, according to a spokesman for Man-Ling Williams' family. In barely audible tones, Man- ling Williams told Superior Court Judge Abraham Khan that she understood her arraignment would be postponed. At the end of the hearing, Khan ordered Williams held without bail. The brief hearing actually took place twice. In Williams' first appearance, no court reporter was present to register her answers. A reporter is required to record all proceedings in a special circumstances case, under California law. Once he realized the court reporter was absent, Khan had Williams brought back into court and went through the proceeding a second time. Throughout both hearings, Williams appeared emotionless, but stressed. She hung her head, only looking up to answer Khan. Wenzl attempted to shield her from the cameras in the jury box. Outside court, Alhambra attorney Sanford Perliss, acting as a spokesman for Man-ling Williams' family, said the accused killer's relatives were standing behind her. "She was always a very loving mother," Perliss said. "She had no history of violent behavior." Perliss said the circumstances of the case have left the family distraught, but he said he expected that the DA would decline to seek the death penalty in the case. "It doesn't seem likely," Perliss, a former prosecutor, said. "Primarily because there's a lack of any criminal record." Although he has represented the family in the past, Perliss said the economics of defending a triple homicide made it unlikely he would defend Man-ling. "This is a poor family, and I'm not specialized in death penalty cases," he said. "The Los Angeles County Public Defender has one of the best special teams in the country." A public defender has yet to be permanently assigned to the case, and that was the primary reason in asking for a delay of the arraignment, Perliss said. [email protected] (626) 962-8811, Ext. 2717 http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime |
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What are you talking about? There's more guns in Kali than AZ. More people, so more crime. I'm not prone to be a victim, that's a personal choice every individual needs to make, to defend themselves or to be victimized. I know that the gun laws here suck, but we're not defenseless trust me. |
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Well i use to visit Socal quite often and i feel naked there compared to AZ.
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You might want to develop some new self defense skills in addition to firearms. You'll increase your self confidence and you'll feel like getting out more often. Socal is actually a great place to visit. I'd hate to see anyone miss it just because they only know about guns. |
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Well before L/E could carry in all 50 states I felt naked when I left my state too. A drive to Nevada meant my carry piece went into the trunk of my vehicle. |
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