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Posted: 6/13/2009 8:51:04 AM EST
It seems very strange to me that buckshot is about the same price as it was 3 years ago but .380 is $50 per box.

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:51:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
It seems very strange to me that buckshot is about the same price as it was 3 years ago but .380 is $50 per box.



maths.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:52:08 AM EST
.380 was $75 per 100 at the funshow in little rock this morning
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:52:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
It seems very strange to me that buckshot is about the same price as it was 3 years ago but .380 is $50 per box.



STFU! Don't mention it again! Don't take my last refuge DAMMIT MAN!
Quick change topics - .22 Magnum 5.7mm is the same price as it was 3 years ago ($25/box)
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:53:51 AM EST
Just wait 'til everyone gets their newly-purchased Saiga-12s converted
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:55:06 AM EST
birdshot has gone up, I used to get a case for ~$36 now it goes for ~$50
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:55:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By cosmos556:
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
It seems very strange to me that buckshot is about the same price as it was 3 years ago but .380 is $50 per box.



STFU! Don't mention it again! Don't take my last refuge DAMMIT MAN!
Quick change topics - .22 Magnum 5.7mm is the same price as it was 3 years ago ($25/box)





I actually thought about NOT saying anything....


But it needs to be said..... The fact that buckshot and slugs have not boomed in price proves that all the "reasons" for the huge increases in ammo prices are complete bullshit!
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:56:50 AM EST
The Federal bulk packs went up $6.80 since 2006.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:58:24 AM EST
Birdshot is more expensive now then it was a few months ago. I picked up a box for ~$20 last week.

Buck and slugs are still cheap and available (mostly) though, which is nice.

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:59:00 AM EST
Shooters are buying up brass-cased centerfire ammo like 9mm, .45acp, 5.56mm, etc etc
The 'fudds' aren't buying up "their" calibers ie: .270 win, 12 gauge, 300win mag, etc etc


I live in a very 'fudd' area, and can buy hunting rifle ammo all day long, and have been able to for months. There never was any shortage.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:59:26 AM EST
When SHTF, OO buck will be the new dollar.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 8:59:38 AM EST
But most ammo has trippled!!!!

Look at a case of wolf 7.62x39mm, 4 years it ago it could be had for $69.99 per 1k, now it CAN cost as much as $500 per 1k.

.380, 223, etc....
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:00:08 AM EST
Shot has finally come back down some.

It was $10 a bag 2-3 years ago, went up to $50 in some places, now it's back down to $22.

The powder I use stayed at $86 for a long time but has crept up to $96.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:01:53 AM EST

Why have shotgun shells not exploded in price?


Because Glock doesn't manufacture shotshells?
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:02:49 AM EST
The Hollywood and Glock fo-tay types don't realize how effective a shotgun is as a weapon. They are still thought of as "sporting arms"
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:04:25 AM EST
Because the 2nd Amendment protects our right to duck hunt...as long as it is with a single-shot or maybe a double-barrel...but only with birdshot...and NO PUMPS OR SEMI-AUTOS
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:11:08 AM EST
Lack of price increase doesn't matter to me. All of the defense caliber buckshot(#4-00) has been just as scarce as 9mm and .45 locally. Plenty of slugs, "buckhammers", and birdshot, though.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:16:07 AM EST
It's to the point where I don't buy ANY of the excuses anymore....

1st... It was materials... brass, powder, lead, etc...

2nd. It was transport costs when fule was so high.

Then.. It was the war and all the powder, lead and components were being sent to Iraq.

Now the excuse is Obama...... And Obama has not and will not pass any new major restrictions.. He would like to but he won't.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:19:51 AM EST
I've been loading up on 00 and 000 buckshot.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:21:45 AM EST
Just panic and specualtion. They are just not being speculated on.

$50 a box for .380? I'd sell all of mine for that but I have scruples.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:22:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
Lack of price increase doesn't matter to me. All of the defense caliber buckshot(#4-00) has been just as scarce as 9mm and .45 locally. Plenty of slugs, "buckhammers", and birdshot, though.


Slugs even in a non rifled barrel are very effective at home defense distances.If that's all you can get,get it.I am talking protecting home/car not force projection.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:41:10 AM EST
Thanks for reminding me. I just ordered 75 more rounds of Winchester ranger buckshot.
I don't even have a shotgun (yet).
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:48:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By Nlinc:
Thanks for reminding me. I just ordered 75 more rounds of Winchester ranger buckshot.
I don't even have a shotgun (yet).


Most gunowning households in America own a .22 or a 12 gauge I would bet.SHTF,you need .22 and OO.YMMV.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 9:56:16 AM EST
Aren't shotgun shells relatively cheap to make?
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 10:05:40 AM EST
you haven't been buying lately- Two years ago AA'a or STS's were $42.50 a flat (10boxes). They are now $75.00. Isn't that enough???
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 10:16:03 AM EST
Shotshells are produced and consumed in bulk quantities even in normal times so there's lots and lots of birdshot floating around out there. That's why there's plenty of 100 rd bulk packs of trap loads in Walmart just begging to be picked up. Shotgun ammo demand is also seasonal too and the past 7 months haven't been the peak demand months.

If most of the rawest of raw materials that normally wind up in shotshells have instead been sucked up by rifle and pistol ammo production over the past 7 months...

Might want to think about buying whatever Fudd ammo you want for the fall right now. I've noticed that there is plenty of ammunition that I don't want to buy on the shelves now. The shoe may be on the other foot in the fall when the Fudds have finished blasting clay pidgeons and checking the zero on their ultra magnum death ray rifles over the summer.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 10:16:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
It's to the point where I don't buy ANY of the excuses anymore....

1st... It was materials... brass, powder, lead, etc...

2nd. It was transport costs when fule was so high.

Then.. It was the war and all the powder, lead and components were being sent to Iraq.

Now the excuse is Obama...... And Obama has not and will not pass any new major restrictions.. He would like to but he won't.


Market supply and demand conditions do not warrant an "excuse" of any kind... Nobody is answering to you as to why these conditions drive up the price while also driving up the quantity that clears the market. My guess is a rightward shift in demand, given the "tracks" of higher price and higher quantity clearing the market.



Link Posted: 6/13/2009 10:17:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
Birdshot is more expensive now then it was a few months ago. I picked up a box for ~$20 last week.

Buck and slugs are still cheap and available (mostly) though, which is nice.




You got completely screwed. I won't even pay $6 a box and bitch when I've got to pay $5.

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 10:24:51 AM EST
Shotgun hulls are primarily made of plastic, not brass, thus they're not nearly as subject to price increases due to metal scarcity.

Additionally, people want rifle and handgun ammo for because those are the weapons they would be using if the SHTF, not shotguns. Less demand, lower prices.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 10:26:52 AM EST
As others have pointed out. Shotgun shells have gone up.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 10:31:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/13/2009 10:31:48 AM EST by AZFats]
Additionally, people want rifle and handgun ammo for because those are the weapons they would be using if the SHTF, not shotguns. Less demand, lower prices


Those people would often be under gunned if facing opponents with $300 shotguns.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 11:18:16 AM EST
a good shotgun is probably the best SHTF weapon you can have. Assuming you will be in a defensive posture and not attacking armored columns. The wide range of ammunition such as slugs, buckshot, and game loads can protect you and yours plus put a wide range of food on the table. With tactical shotguns being as popular as they are at present I am sure there is a certain amount of resentment to your assessment.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 11:46:50 AM EST
My grammar fails.

What I meant was the $300 shotguns ARE the better SHTF weapons
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 11:57:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/13/2009 11:58:38 AM EST by DarkCharisma]
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
Birdshot is more expensive now then it was a few months ago. I picked up a box for ~$20 last week.

Buck and slugs are still cheap and available (mostly) though, which is nice.




You got completely screwed. I won't even pay $6 a box and bitch when I've got to pay $5.



Tell me where I can get 100 12ga. shells for $6 and I'll be all over it.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 12:15:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
Birdshot is more expensive now then it was a few months ago. I picked up a box for ~$20 last week.

Buck and slugs are still cheap and available (mostly) though, which is nice.




You got completely screwed. I won't even pay $6 a box and bitch when I've got to pay $5.



Tell me where I can get 100 12ga. shells for $6 and I'll be all over it.


A standard "box" is 25 rounds.

You are referring to a "value pack" of some sort.

Then, there are the newer 20 round Remington boxes that trick you because they are priced cheaper than a standard box.

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 12:16:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
Birdshot is more expensive now then it was a few months ago. I picked up a box for ~$20 last week.

Buck and slugs are still cheap and available (mostly) though, which is nice.




You got completely screwed. I won't even pay $6 a box and bitch when I've got to pay $5.



Tell me where I can get 100 12ga. shells for $6 and I'll be all over it.



Do you also call a case of 5.56 a box of ammo?



Link Posted: 6/13/2009 12:19:52 PM EST
Just a crazy idea but shotgun shells use very little brass for their size and use plastic instead, lead is cheap, cup is plastic, so really what you pay for is the primer, powder, shot and of course overhead. Wad? The plastic used probably costs next to nothing because of bulk/scale of economies. Just a guess.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 12:19:54 PM EST
Walmarts in my town have 15 round Winchester "Value Packs" of 00 Buck and 1oz slugs for $10. Even when they're out of everything else they seem to have these.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 12:29:45 PM EST
shotgun shooters chew through ammo like crazy. Ask your local sporting goods store how many boxes of shotgun shells they sell vs all other ammo combined...or how much they take in.

Because there is such a higher consumption of shotgun shells, there is a lot more production. A few guys deciding to horde shotgun ammo will have about the same impact as a few new guys getting into shooting clays.

some guy deciding to horde 44 magnum is giong to have a much more noticable effect on the local store shelves.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 12:32:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
Originally Posted By cosmos556:
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
It seems very strange to me that buckshot is about the same price as it was 3 years ago but .380 is $50 per box.



STFU! Don't mention it again! Don't take my last refuge DAMMIT MAN!
Quick change topics - .22 Magnum 5.7mm is the same price as it was 3 years ago ($25/box)





I actually thought about NOT saying anything....


But it needs to be said..... The fact that buckshot and slugs have not boomed in price proves that all the "reasons" for the huge increases in ammo prices are complete bullshit!


All the reasons except the only one that really matters, "what the market will bear" ring any bells?
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 12:38:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By AZFats:
Walmarts in my town have 15 round Winchester "Value Packs" of 00 Buck and 1oz slugs for $10. Even when they're out of everything else they seem to have these.


Same here. They're always there. It comes to $11 with tax. About $0.73 per shell.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 12:54:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By akodo:
shotgun shooters chew through ammo like crazy. Ask your local sporting goods store how many boxes of shotgun shells they sell vs all other ammo combined...or how much they take in.

Because there is such a higher consumption of shotgun shells, there is a lot more production. A few guys deciding to horde shotgun ammo will have about the same impact as a few new guys getting into shooting clays.

some guy deciding to horde 44 magnum is giong to have a much more noticable effect on the local store shelves.


This

Clays and birdshooting tend to involve big round counts. Also, there are what, 3 or 4 major shotgun calibers?
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 12:55:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
Birdshot is more expensive now then it was a few months ago. I picked up a box for ~$20 last week.

Buck and slugs are still cheap and available (mostly) though, which is nice.




You got completely screwed. I won't even pay $6 a box and bitch when I've got to pay $5.



Tell me where I can get 100 12ga. shells for $6 and I'll be all over it.



Do you also call a case of 5.56 a box of ammo?






Does it come in a box?

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 1:00:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/13/2009 1:02:46 PM EST by flatop_a3]
if people were to start buying shotgun shells like they are rimfire and centerfire ammunition it would go up.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 1:07:10 PM EST
It must be a red state thing, because i know my local wal-mart and gun stores are chocked full of .223, 7.62x39, 9mm, .45, .40, .38/.380 etc etc and shotgun ammo is almost overstocked everywhere..maybe its just cause I live in NY..(upstate- plattsburgh) But I have slowly been building up a variety of 12 gauge selections...think im gonna go buy another value box or two of remington 00 buck..
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 1:19:48 PM EST
FUCK


now im gonna have to clean out the local gun shops of 12 gauge before everyone rushes in to take it all



Good job!




Link Posted: 6/13/2009 1:29:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
Originally Posted By cosmos556:
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
It seems very strange to me that buckshot is about the same price as it was 3 years ago but .380 is $50 per box.



STFU! Don't mention it again! Don't take my last refuge DAMMIT MAN!
Quick change topics - .22 Magnum 5.7mm is the same price as it was 3 years ago ($25/box)



I actually thought about NOT saying anything....

But it needs to be said..... The fact that buckshot and slugs have not boomed in price proves that all the "reasons" for the huge increases in ammo prices are complete bullshit!


No it proves that demand for slugs and buck shot isn't nearly as great as other rounds.

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 1:30:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
I've been loading up on 00 and 000 buckshot.


I prefer a currency that won't have a possibility to come flying back at me.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 1:33:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/13/2009 1:53:58 PM EST by orangelo]
has no clue and EBR owners know which ones will be banned first and are panic buying those before considering anything else.

Example: there's a gun ban coming. Do you buy that AR-15 that you know will be banned (either by name or features), or that Winchester Model 70 in the walnut monte carlo stock that will probably still be available for a few years until the next ban?
Works the same way with ammo.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 1:41:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By AZFats:
Additionally, people want rifle and handgun ammo for because those are the weapons they would be using if the SHTF, not shotguns. Less demand, lower prices


Those people would often be under gunned if facing opponents with $300 shotguns.


as a shotgun shooter this thread fails on a couple of fronts. shotshells have doubled in price in the last year. they are still going up even though the price of lead has dropped. shot guns are really only good for self defense at short ranges. at 100 yards the 9 pellet buckshot spread is about 20 feet. lets just say not such a dense pattern. slugs are not very accurate at 100 yards without sights and or a dedicated slug barrel. i'm comfortable with a shotgun. i shoot in both trap and skeet leagues, to the tune of 400 rounds a week in competition. competitive shooters do not buy ammo. it is too expensive and you can't taylor your loads. every competition shotgun shooter i have ever met, reloads.

that said, for a shtf situation my first choice is a rifle. in my case an ar. 30 rounds of light weight ammo / magazine. good from across the room to 600 yards.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 2:11:47 PM EST
Oh well, one more damn thing to worry about.
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